The Fulfillment of the Seven Seals of Revelation

Davy · Jun 12, 2019

Enoch111 said:
But that is not what you quoted. What was correctly stated was:
"...heaven, a place that cannot be visibly seen with the eyes, not because it is an invisible or figurative place, but because it is a literal and physical place that is far above among the stars and is therefore unreachable to man..." [Note: that should say "beyond the stars"]

This is perfectly true, especially when we recall that God and Christ are presently in the heavenly city New Jerusalem, along with all the saints and angels (Heb 12:22-24).

But it's not true. The idea of "among the stars" still means this material dimension we live in, which includes the whole known universe and everything in it. God's Abode and where the angels are is in a whole different dimension altogether.

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV

Material matter did not create material matter.

That is one of the main laws of physics. Although it reveals the creation of this world, it also reveals the existence of two separate and distinct dimensions of existence, the material one, and the invisible immaterial one. What that verse reveals goes a lot deeper though, and is very profound. It is proof of God's existence.

The proof given there is about material matter which cannot be created nor destroyed (by us, nor by any material object). Matter can only change its state, like liquid, solid, vapor, gas. The mere existence of material matter, and that it cannot be destroyed, is proof that something outside of material matter is what created it. We call Him our Heavenly Father, The Creator. The atheists still don't know what or who it is, because they are looking for something material that created the world, which is impossible.

Taken · Jun 12, 2019

cgneustar said:
Clearly you do not understand the fraud being committed

LOL...ya sure, that is clear after I just said, I am already knowledgeable of what you are preaching about Fiat currency.

through paper money, because unlike gold and silver, which have true intrinsic value, paper money has no value and represents nothing of value, and through it those who issue it devalue it deliberately, causing the paper money of the inhabitants of the world to become worth less day by day and their incomes to lag behind the devaluation, which in turn causes them to need to borrow more and more, and then become even poorer through interest. It is the reason why in Egypt the minimum wage they earn in one day in their fiat currency is enough to buy food for one day in a richer country like the US. They are utterly impoverished through fiat currency. It is the biggest ponzi scheme in the history of all humanity. And that is why it is the mark of the beast. Only an idiot who has no understanding of the basis of our fiat financial system does not see the evil behind it and embraces a form of money that steals from all of us in subtle ways.

Preaching to the Choir.

Since you were born in the US, live in Columbia, are obviously so concerned with the plight of Egyptians....

Why don't you FIX this world problem instead of complaining about it and telling everyone they are too stupid to be aware of what is happening?

Glory to God,
Taken

justbyfaith · Jun 12, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
We're not 100% sure that the microchip will be the 'mark of the beast.' That's what a lot of people think, but we're not sure.

I'm not taking any chances....

Taken · Jun 12, 2019

justbyfaith said:
The fact that there are negative aspects to paper money does not make it the mark of the beast.

In that day, no one will be able to buy or sell without it.

If the mark of the beast is paper money, how are you still able to buy and sell without it, @cgneustar?

You are still able to use coin money.

Therefore paper money is not the mark of the beast, because you are able to buy and sell without it.

Agree. Paper money is not the IMAGE of the Beast. Nor will people have Paper money plastered on their right hand or forehead.

The Beast is a World Govt.
The Anti-Christ will be the World Leader.
(IMO, via study, a Human man, that Satan spirit enters, so what men will See is a Human man, with Super Powers, and easily Believe, it is God, having come to RULE them, Save them.
While it is the Converted IN Christ, who will receive the SEAL/Mark of God.
During the Trib...
It is HIS (Satan) IMAGE, HIS (Satan) MARK, that men in Allegience TO HIM, shall have HIS MARK, in their Right Hand or Forehead...or be KILLED.

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken · Jun 12, 2019

Enoch...correct.

Men can see the Stars, but not reach them.
God always gives men a parallel of what men can SEE to understand Godly things they can NOT SEE.

Between A real Place called Heaven and a real Place called Earth and a real Place called Hell.....IS WATER.

When the "water" firmament is OPENED...After the 1,000 yr reig..
There will be NO Division or Separation between Heaven and Earth.
God shall be the Constant LIGHT continually and GOD of ALL inhabitants who Willingly Chose Him as their Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
Taken

Davy · Jun 12, 2019

Soverign Grace said:
I just began studying Revelations several months ago. It appears that we're in the 'falling away' now.

Not yet.

Many today are deceived by what Paul meant with that 2 Thess.2 falling away. It's because of false doctrines being pushed about it in the Church. Paul gave that falling away event linked with the coming of the "man of sin" that will sit in a temple in Jerusalem (known as the temple of God in Paul's day), and will exalt himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped. That is what will cause the great apostasy Paul was teaching there. This is why 2 Thess.2:9 about that false one working with all power and lying wonders is linked to the pseudo-Christ our Lord Jesus warned of in Matt.24:23-26 that is to come and do great signs and wonders. It's also linked to the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward who is to come working miracles, raining fire from heaven down upon the earth in the sight of men.

So no, simply not going to Church and listening to the world today is not... the falling away of 2 Thess.2, even though it is going to lead to it. The coming Antichrist must be here, and in power over all nations like Revelation declares, for the real falling away to occur.

cgneustar · Jun 12, 2019

Taken said:
LOL...ya sure, that is clear after I just said, I am already knowledgeable of what you are preaching about Fiat currency.

Preaching to the Choir.

Since you were born in the US, live in Columbia, are obviously so concerned with the plight of Egyptians....

Why don't you FIX this world problem instead of complaining about it and telling everyone they are too stupid to be aware of what is happening?

Glory to God,
Taken

It is not my role to remove this financial system from the world, that is the role of the Messiah, which is why he is coming to destroy the nations and cause this financial system to be no more. But my role now is to teach you people how to exit this financial system and stop using paper money and fiat currency, which is required to enter the kingdom of God. But rather than accept this true teaching, you people refuse to listen, and so be delivered from the curse that will come against all those who continue using fiat currency to buy or sell, which is being thrown into aeonial fire.

Davy · Jun 12, 2019

cgneustar said:
The man of lawlessness has already appeared, which were the Roman popes, which today still exist, through which 1,260 years of persecution would come, which came in the form of inquisitions and massacres fulfilled by previous Roman popes. The line of Roman popes are the fulfillment of the "antichrist" prophecies, which means "false anointed" one, which have existed for a very long time, and came in the context of the fourth kingdom of Daniel, which are the Romans. As I said, you ignore around 2,000 years of events. We are now approaching the second coming of the Messiah, the end of the aeon. The prostitute of Babylon is already here, she is already seated on the beast whose 8th and final head is about to form as a United States of Europe, and the second beast of Revelation has already come, as the United States of America, and the mark of the beast is already here, as paper money and all forms of fiat currency, which break the command of the Torah, "you shall have righteous weights and quantities". You are blind to the truth and lack understanding. Read these two bible studies and inform yourself, The Identity of the Beast of Revelation, the Antichrist, the Prostitute of Babylon, the Mark of the Beast, and the Meaning of 666 | Wisdom of God and What Year the Second Coming Will Be, the Millennial Shabbath of the Year 6000 YB, Yovels, and the 1290+1335 Days of Daniel | Wisdom of God , but reject the truth that I am telling you now, and you will indeed be destroyed in the short time to come.

Nah..., the popes were not the "man of sin" that Apostle Paul was pointing to in 2 Thess.2.

You've borrowed that idea from the Reformers who thought that because of persecutions upon the Protestants by the Roman Church centuries ago. Orthodox Jew's hatred of the popes goes back before the Reformation, so they aren't to be listened to either.

As Apostle Paul showed, the "man of sin" is to appear in JERUSALEM for the end, not in Rome.

Paul linked that "man of sin" to the one Jesus warned of in Matt.24:23-26 that the deceived in Jerusalem will claim is Messiah, working great signs and wonders that if possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect.

Taken · Jun 12, 2019

cgneustar said:
It is not my role to remove this financial system from the world, that is the role of the Messiah, which is why he is coming to destroy the nations and cause this financial system to be no more.

But my role now is to teach you people how to exit this financial system and stop using paper money and fiat currency,

Not your role FIX the system...
But IS your role to FIX people in how to EXIT the system.

And Who Appointed you to teach Your HOW TO EXIT strategy to People, you do not know, WHAT they already KNOW?

which is required to enter the kingdom of God.

Don't use fiat currency is Required to enter the kingdom of God...?

LOL

But rather than accept this true teaching, you people refuse to listen, and so be delivered from the curse that will come against all those who continue using fiat currency to buy or sell, which is being thrown into aeonial fire.

You are trying to make the IF THEN choice...
Believe in God....or....Believe in the Dollar Bill.

Uh...no.

Glory to God,
Taken

cgneustar · Jun 12, 2019

Davy said:
Nah..., the popes were not the "man of sin" that Apostle Paul was pointing to in 2 Thess.2.

You've borrowed that idea from the Reformers who thought that because of persecutions upon the Protestants by the Roman Church centuries ago. Orthodox Jew's hatred of the popes goes back before the Reformation, so they aren't to be listened to either.

As Apostle Paul showed, the "man of sin" is to appear in JERUSALEM for the end, not in Rome.

Paul linked that "man of sin" to the one Jesus warned of in Matt.24:23-26 that the deceived in Jerusalem will claim is Messiah, working great signs and wonders that if possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect.

The man of lawlessness did appear in Jerusalem, which was Titus, who was also exalted at the temple by his soldiers in accordance to the writings of Josephus, in fulfillment of prophecy that the man of lawlessness would be exalted at the temple, who also destroyed Jerusalem, in fulfillment of prophecy of what the Romans would do against Jerusalem after the Messiah died, and then, Titus became emperor of Rome, through which the line of Roman popes came, that fulfilled the prophecy of 1,260 years of authority they would have to persecute, which came in the form of massacres and inquisitions the Roman popes committed, which also, through their false teachings they have caused the world to also become lawless, which is discarding the Torah, hence the reason he is called the "man of lawlessness", which is the deception you yourselves have fallen under, and Vatican City, which is in Rome, also rules the nations of the world through money itself, paper money and fiat currency, which is the mark of the beast, which is why it is called the "prostitute of Babylon" seated on the city of seven hills, which is Rome, that "rules over the kings of the earth", in fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel that the fourth kingdom of Daniel, where were the Romans, would devour the entire earth, which has happened through money. Only an idiot denies these obvious truths.

cgneustar · Jun 12, 2019

Taken said:
Not your role FIX the system...
But IS your role to FIX people in how to EXIT the system.

And Who Appointed you to teach Your HOW TO EXIT strategy to People, you do not know, WHAT they already KNOW?

Don't use fiat currency is Required to enter the kingdom of God...?

LOL

You are trying to make the IF THEN choice...
Believe in God....or....Believe in the Dollar Bill.

Uh...no.

Glory to God,
Taken

If I teach the truth or do not is my concern. And if you choose to listen to the truth I speak or do not is your concern.

Davy · Jun 13, 2019

cgneustar said:
The man of lawlessness did appear in Jerusalem, which was Titus, who was also exalted at the temple by his soldiers in accordance to the writings of Josephus, in fulfillment of prophecy that the man of lawlessness would be exalted at the temple, who also destroyed Jerusalem, in fulfillment of prophecy of what the Romans would do against Jerusalem after the Messiah died, and then, Titus became emperor of Rome, through which the line of Roman popes came, that fulfilled the prophecy of 1,260 years of authority they would have to persecute, which came in the form of massacres and inquisitions the Roman popes committed, which also, through their false teachings they have caused the world to also become lawless, which is discarding the Torah, hence the reason he is called the "man of lawlessness", which is the deception you yourselves have fallen under, and Vatican City, which is in Rome, also rules the nations of the world through money itself, paper money and fiat currency, which is the mark of the beast, which is why it is called the "prostitute of Babylon" seated on the city of seven hills, which is Rome, that "rules over the kings of the earth", in fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel that the fourth kingdom of Daniel, where were the Romans, would devour the entire earth, which has happened through money. Only an idiot denies these obvious truths.

Per Josephus, the temple burned down before the Romans could get control of it. A fire started inside it. Thus the Romans never... fulfilled the Daniel 11 prophecy of the "abomination of desolation" that Jesus forewarned of about 200 years after Antiochus IV had been dead. Antiochus IV is who fulfilled the Daniel 11 "vile person" as a type of the Antichrist. But like I said, Jesus warned of the coming false-Messiah (the Antichrist) for the end of this world about 200 years after Antiochus' death, making a future Antichrist is who is to place the abomination idol in the temple at Jerusalem.

Taken · Jun 13, 2019

The Fulfillment of the Seven Seals of Revelations.<---OP

The Revelation of the Seven Seals IS:

Rev.1
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
[2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

That John (A SERVANT of Jesus Christ) saw, WHEN:

Rev.4
[1] After this I looked, and, behold,
a door was opened in heaven:
and
the first voice which I heard
was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said,
Come up hither,
and
I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
[2] And
immediately I was in the spirit:
and, behold,
a throne was set in heaven,
and
one sat on the throne.

John, A SERVANT of Christ Jesus,
was "GIVEN" Testimony of Jesus Christ,
VIA an angel,
TO WRITE, and
TO Give to the Seven Churches.

John, A SERVANT of Christ Jesus,
was THEN "CALLED UP HITHER",
"IN THE SPIRIT",
"TO SEE" ...

1) What "SHALL" Happen TO:
"OTHER" Servants of God and Christ Jesus.
2) What "SHALL" Happen "IN" Heaven "TO":
Servants of God "IN" Heaven.
3) What "SHALL" Happen "ON" Earth "TO":
.a) Men Servants OF God, who rejected Christ
.b) Men who Rejected God AND Christ Jesus
4) What "SHALL" Happen "TO" unholy angels

John (a Faithful Servant of God and Christ Jesus)
WAS GIVEN a SUPERNATURAL PRE-VIEW, OF what is to COME, Regarding:
1) THE FAITHFUL to God.
2) The FAITHFUL to God AND Christ Jesus.
3) The FAITHFUL to God, but NOT Christ
4) The FAITHFUL Angels
5) The Unfaithful Men
6) The Unfaithful Angels
7) The Earth
8) The Heaven(s)

It IS a Supernatural Revelation GIVEN TO a FAITHFUL Servant (JOHN) IN God, IN Christ Jesus...

"Supernaturally" GIVEN, FOR John (IN THE SPIRIT, "supernaturally" ALLOWED to "SEE", WHAT MUST come to pass,

And "THEN GIVE" the supernatural OBSERVATION: "TO" Other;
Faithful Servants OF GOD 'and' Christ Jesus.

NOTING....THE TIMING OF John (the Faithful Servant of God and Christ Jesus, Being CALLED UP HITHER...

After the Tribulation Ended? No

In the Middle of the Tribulation at the 3 1/2 year time frame? No

Before the Tribulation Began;
...Opening of the 7 seals
...Sounding of the 7 trumpts sending woes
...Pouring of the 7 Vials of increased Wrath
...Gods Cup of Indignation, and Vengeance
YES!

THE "OTHERS" like John, ("Faithful servants OF God and Christ Jesus");

Like John saw, shall ALSO BE CALLED UP HITHER, TO the Clouds, (lower Heaven),

Like (Noah faithful to God)
Gen 7
[17] And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
and Like John saw, the Faithful shall ALSO BE "ABOVE the FACE of the Earth".

And Like John was, shall BE IN THE SPIRIT,

And Like John saw, things HAPPENING IN the higher Heaven, In the Lower Heavens, and ON EARTH.

ANY MAN CONVERTED "IN" Christ NOW, "IS" "IN" FaithFULLNESS "TO" God and "TO" Christ Jesus...

AND "IF" such a Man ^^ IS STILL PRESENT "ON EARTH," (in his living flesh body of blood).....
AND "NOT YET" Called UP Hither...

The TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ, forward to His Faithful Servant John..

HAS NOT YET COME TO PASS.

Indicating the "GREAT TRIBULATION"
HAS NOT, "YET" BEGUN.

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken · Jun 13, 2019

cgneustar said:
If I teach the truth or do not is my concern. And if you choose to listen to the truth I speak or do not is your concern.

Truth does not hinge ON PEOPLE.
Truth IS Jesus Christ.
Men can Adopt Jesus' TRUTH as their own...
OR NOT.

Once Jesus was REVEALED, Committed Belief in God and Christ Jesus, became the WAY to Salvation and Quickening.

Those who HAVE Committed and Received the Lord Gods OFFERING of (soul) Salvation and (spirit) Quickening NOW,
SHALL not BE SUBJECT to;
ANY PORTION of Wrath
during the GREAT Tribulation.

7 Seals,
7 Trumps of woes
7 Vials

Are Specific TO "thee 7 consecutive years of thee "Great Tribulation".

Your teaching has SEALS already being Opened ... But yet there IS;
No world Government,
No world Leader of such Govt.
No world mass killing of the Tribes of Israel,
No world quaking of the whole earth.
No world famine.
No world wide disaster killing 1/4 the of the world population.

We can Observe SIGNS of those things happening in PORTIONS of the World, and the INCREASE, "of more places at the same time."

We are getting a Pre-VIEW / a GLIMPSE, here and there, of WHAT SHALL Come upon the EARTH World wide at the SAME TIME....
WHEN;
The "Great Tribulation" comes into fruition.

Glory to God,
Taken

cgneustar · Jun 13, 2019

Davy said:
Per Josephus, the temple burned down before the Romans could get control of it. A fire started inside it. Thus the Romans never... fulfilled the Daniel 11 prophecy of the "abomination of desolation" that Jesus forewarned of about 200 years after Antiochus IV had been dead. Antiochus IV is who fulfilled the Daniel 11 "vile person" as a type of the Antichrist. But like I said, Jesus warned of the coming false-Messiah (the Antichrist) for the end of this world about 200 years after Antiochus' death, making a future Antichrist is who is to place the abomination idol in the temple at Jerusalem.

That is not true, per Josephus,

The Romans upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the set-apart house itself, and of all the buildings lying round about it, brought their ensigns to the Temple, and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator, with the greatest acclamations of joy
The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 6, 6:1
Note: This is merely a reference to an external literature to help strengthen the statements made in this study, and not an endorsement of any other literature or statements made by Flavius Josephus.

Not only did the Romans setup an abomination of desolation at the temple, but they also made Titus "imperator", and since we know the Roman emperors were worshiped as gods by the Romans, this historical passage confirms that Titus fulfilled the prophecy that the man of lawlessness would be exalted at the temple, through whom the Roman popes later came, that fulfilled other prophecies regarding what the Roman rulers would do, who persecuted the people of God, and towards the end of the aeon would rule the world through money. This is without a doubt the truth, because the man of lawlessness was prophesied to come within the context of the fourth kingdom of Daniel, which were the Romans.

cgneustar · Jun 13, 2019

Taken said:
Truth does not hinge ON PEOPLE.
Truth IS Jesus Christ.
Men can Adopt Jesus' TRUTH as their own...
OR NOT.

Once Jesus was REVEALED, Committed Belief in God and Christ Jesus, became the WAY to Salvation and Quickening.

Those who HAVE Committed and Received the Lord Gods OFFERING of (soul) Salvation and (spirit) Quickening NOW,
SHALL not BE SUBJECT to;
ANY PORTION of Wrath
during the GREAT Tribulation.

7 Seals,
7 Trumps of woes
7 Vials

Are Specific TO "thee 7 consecutive years of thee "Great Tribulation".

Your teaching has SEALS already being Opened ... But yet there IS;
No world Government,
No world Leader of such Govt.
No world mass killing of the Tribes of Israel,
No world quaking of the whole earth.
No world famine.
No world wide disaster killing 1/4 the of the world population.

We can Observe SIGNS of those things happening in PORTIONS of the World, and the INCREASE, "of more places at the same time."

We are getting a Pre-VIEW / a GLIMPSE, here and there, of WHAT SHALL Come upon the EARTH World wide at the SAME TIME....
WHEN;
The "Great Tribulation" comes into fruition.

Glory to God,
Taken

The truth can be spoken by any man, not because the person makes it true, but because it is the truth. If a say I am a man, not a woman, I have told you the truth, which can be confirmed by my DNA and private body parts. If I say I was born on the earth, not on the moon, I have told you another truth, which can be confirmed by my birth certificate. If I say Yeshuah is the Messiah, I have told you another truth, which can be confirmed with prophecy. If I say the Torah has not been abolished, herein is another truth, which can be confirmed by the sayings of the Messiah and the apostles. If I say the seals of Revelation have been opened, this can be confirmed by the signs that have been around the last 2,000 years that have fulfilled all the seals of Revelations up until the last portion of the sixth seal or Revelation. This is why I published the bible study, to confirm that what I am saying is the truth The Fulfillment of the Seven Seals of Revelation, and When the Sun Turned to Darkness and the Moon Became like Blood | Wisdom of God . But you people do not like to read, you love to argue, and oppose anything that is true, just because you want to oppose and only hear what you want to hear. You are a degenerate and lawless generation, full of disbelief and malice, haters of the truth. I am not going to waste too much time with you people on this forum. I am merely scattering seeds throughout the internet forums before I take my leave from wasting my time with you people, and go on to receive the anointing and establish the ministry I set my heart to establish in Colombia.

Taken · Jun 13, 2019

cgneustar said:
The truth can be spoken by any man, not because the person makes it true, but because it is the truth. If a say I am a man, not a woman, I have told you the truth, which can be confirmed by my DNA and private body parts. If I say I was born on the earth, not on the moon, I have told you another truth, which can be confirmed by my birth certificate. If I say Yeshuah is the Messiah, I have told you another truth, which can be confirmed with prophecy.

No one has challenged any such claims.

If I say the Torah has not been abolished, herein is another truth, which can be confirmed by the sayings of the Messiah and the apostles.

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That is a HALF TRUTH, without regard for APPLICATION.
The Torah has not been abolished FOR Tribes of Israel WHO;
1) Maintain their Faithfulness TO God.
And
2) Have Rejected Jesus Christ.

For ALL others; WHO are FAITHFUL to God, and FAITHFUL to Jesus Christ...The LAWS of TORAH has been "FULFILLED", a TRUTH which can be confirmed In Scirpture By the Messiah and the apostles.

If I say the seals of Revelation have been opened, this can be confirmed by the signs that have been around the last 2,000 years that have fulfilled all the seals of Revelations up until the last portion of the sixth seal or Revelation.

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Yes you can say that.
Yes you can call that your truth.
However you have not, shown a confirmation in Scripture, that says, the SIGNS that LEAD UP TO GODS GREAT Tribulation, ARE Gods GREAT TRIBULATION, or that GODS GREAT TRIBULATION "lasts" 2,000 years.

Scripture teaches, MEN in faithfullness TO God would experience Tribulations;
1) By other men, because the MEN believed.
2) By God, because of Disobedience to Gods Laws (after agreeing to obey)

Scripture teaches, MEN in faithfullnes To God AND To Christ Jesus would experience Tribulation;
1) By other men, Because the MEN believed.
THEY are not agreeing to OBEY fulfilled Mosaic Laws....
THEY agree to suffer Tribulations at the hand of other men, BY DRINKING FROM THE SAME CUP, JESUS DRANK FROM.

However there shall come a TIME, WHEN GOD causes "TRIBULATION" UPON MEN who Reject Him and Christ Jesus, during a SEVEN YEAR timeframe.

You are teaching the Tribulations of Man upon Man, is the SAME Tribulation of Gods GREAT Tribulation upon Man....and that may be YOUR Truth, But it is not Scriptural Truth.

But you people do not like to read,

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Sure I do, so that is a FALSE accusation.

you love to argue,

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Actually I like to discuss, BASED on a SET of TRUE FACTS.
Tribulation between men, is NOT Gods Great Tribulation UPON men.

and oppose anything that is true,

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Utter nonsense, that i highly doubt applies to ANYONE.

just because you want to oppose and only hear what you want to hear.

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When one claims something IS Biblical and IT ISN'T...ya that is not pleasing to my ears.

You are a degenerate and lawless generation, full of disbelief and malice, haters of the truth.

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That is an interesting comment. Because while you are attempting to wag your finger at particular people....uh, you are in the same generation of people you are calling a degenerate and lawless generation.

Thanks for sharing where you fit in and what you think of yourself.

I am not going to waste too much time with you people on this forum. I am merely scattering seeds throughout the internet forums before I take my leave from wasting my time with you people, and go on to receive the anointing and establish the ministry I set my heart to establish in Colombia.

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Perhaps you should LISTEN to what Christ has prepared to establish and set in your heart.

You might be surprised to LEARN, Signs of Tribulations among men, is the LEADING UP TO, Gods Great Tribulation.

Glory to God,
Taken

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Soverign Grace · Jun 13, 2019

justbyfaith said:
I'm not taking any chances....

Me neither

I'm not getting microchipped. The generation (could be ours) that has to face getting the mark of the best or they can't buy or sell is going to have to make a very hard decision. True believers have the hope that when they leave this world they go to be with the Lord, but what if they have a family? That's what concerns me and what I believe is going to be hard.

Soverign Grace · Jun 13, 2019

cgneustar has a valid point. People on here do love to argue - and put others down who they disagree with; sometimes in mean-spirited ways.

"Thanks for sharing where you fit in and what you think of yourself." - is that how a follower of Christ is to talk to another believer Taken?

Galatians 6:1

“Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.”

John 13:34-35 - A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

I think it's good that he shares his views - that doesn't mean anyone has to adopt them, but we should always keep in mind that another believer may know something we do not, and hear what he has to say. The Holy Spirit, who guides us into all truth should recognize what is true and what is false and testify with our spirit.

Davy · Jun 13, 2019

cgneustar said:
That is not true, per Josephus,

The Romans upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the set-apart house itself, and of all the buildings lying round about it, brought their ensigns to the Temple, and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator, with the greatest acclamations of joy
The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 6, 6:1
Note: This is merely a reference to an external literature to help strengthen the statements made in this study, and not an endorsement of any other literature or statements made by Flavius Josephus.

Not only did the Romans setup an abomination of desolation at the temple, but they also made Titus "imperator", and since we know the Roman emperors were worshiped as gods by the Romans, this historical passage confirms that Titus fulfilled the prophecy that the man of lawlessness would be exalted at the temple, through whom the Roman popes later came, that fulfilled other prophecies regarding what the Roman rulers would do, who persecuted the people of God, and towards the end of the aeon would rule the world through money. This is without a doubt the truth, because the man of lawlessness was prophesied to come within the context of the fourth kingdom of Daniel, which were the Romans.

The Roman's sacrificed at the eastern gate (like your quote says), not inside the temple, because by then the temple had burned down:

The Jewish historian Josephus -

"7. And now, since Cæsar was no way able to restrain the enthusiastick fury of the soldiers, and the fire proceeded on more and more, he went into the holy place of the temple, with his commanders; and saw it, with what was in it: which he found to be far superior to what the relations of foreigners contained; and not inferior to what we ourselves boasted of, and believed about it. But as the flame had not as yet reached to its inward parts, but was still consuming the rooms that were about the holy house only; and Titus supposing, what the fact was, that the house it self might yet he saved, he came in haste, and endeavoured to persuade the soldiers to quench the fire; and gave order to Liberalius the centurion, and one of those spearmen that were about him, to beat the soldiers that were refractory with their staves; and to restrain them. Yet were their passions too hard for the regards they had for Cæsar, and the dread they had of him who forbad them: as was their hatred of the Jews, and a certain vehement inclination to fight them too hard for them also. Moreover, the hope of plunder induced many to go on; as having this opinion, that all the places within were full of money: and as seeing that all round about it was made of gold. And besides, one of those that went into the place prevented Cæsar, when he ran so hastily out to restrain the soldiers: and threw the fire upon the hinges of the gate, in the dark. Whereby the flame burst out from within the holy house itself immediately: when the commanders retired, and Cæsar with them; and when nobody any longer forbad those that were without to set fire to it. And thus was the holy house burnt down, without Cæsar’s approbation." (The Wars of The Jews, Josephus, Chapter 4.7)

The Daniel 11 events by the "vile person" requires a STANDING TEMPLE in Jerusalem, not one that burned down before the Romans could get control of it. Your theory is only interested in the Romans having done sacrifices anywhere in Jerusalem to try and prove Daniel 11 is history. Thus you're not following what Christ revealed about the future Daniel 11:31 event that is for the end of this world...

Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

KJV

That holy place means in the temple, like what Antiochus Epiphanes did in 165 B.C. with sacrifices swine upon the altar and placing an idol abomination in Zeus worship.

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