John 1:1 "let scripture interpret scripture!"

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See, it just gets ugly. This always happens with you APAK. You just get nasty in any discussion with men who think Jesus is the word.

And here's the thing. I will venture to guess that the majority in here do believe Jesus is the word and is God, and that everything was created through Him.

So you think of we who believe it in the same way you just stated to one man, that when we say Jesus is the word and Jesus is God that we are "spewing trash out of our mouths."
 

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And here's the thing. I will venture to guess that the majority in here do believe Jesus is the word and is God, and that everything was created through Him.

So you think of we who believe it in the same way you just stated to one man, that when we say Jesus is the word and Jesus is God that we are "spewing trash out of our mouths."
DON'T LET THE DEVIL GET TO YOU, be as our Lord and saviour, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". what they do is out of Ignorance.

just as the apostle said, 1 Timothy 1:12 "And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1 Timothy 1:13 "Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

until one comes to the light just pray for them and ourselves to endure. so stay strong in the Lord, alright. be blessed.

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See, it just gets ugly. This always happens with you APAK. You just get nasty in any discussion with men who think Jesus is the word.

At least let me say I'm really sorry you were offended. If those that claim to be well-versed and into scripture can by scripture show me where Jesus is the word then I would be eager to see the evidence. Until that time stunnedbygrace I must shoot it down once in awhile and I've been doing a bit lately.
This subject is so crucial into understanding the one true Almighty as the Father of his Son. Well maybe you do not see the gravity of it.

Bless you and I do care that you have a great and edifying time on this forum, despite folks like me that rub you the wrong way I hope only occasionally. I do care that you were offended.

Love to you in Christ always,


APAK
 
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If those that claim to be well-versed and into scripture can by scripture show me where Jesus is the word then I would be eager to see the evidence.
ok, we accept this challegen, listen real good. 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow".

the Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit ...... of CHRIST? yes, and notice, "Spirit", here is capitalized. the apostle Peter said that the Spirit of Christ was in the prophet of OLD, in the Old testament, testifying of the grace to come, and the suffering of Christ himself. can we find this Spirit, of Christ in the prophets of old? yes, everywhere. scripture, Genesis 15:1 "After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward". we suggest you read your commentaries, expecially Gill's and clarks. let's contuine, 1 Samuel 15:10 "Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying".
1 Kings 21:28 "And the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying".
Isaiah 38:4 "Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying,
Jeremiah 1:1 "The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests that were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin:
Jeremiah 1:2 "To whom the word of the LORD came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.
Ezekiel 1:3 "The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him".
Hosea 1:1 "The word of the LORD that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel".
Joel 1:1 "The word of the LORD that came to Joel the son of Pethuel.

MUST WE GO ON? prophet after prophet, the WORD"of" the LORD. understand the use "OF". this preposition translates the genitive case of nouns, with various shades of meaning. Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned. do you know what this means? it's the same person. if we say the spirit of 101G, it's 101G, not APAK, or ByGrace, or Scott. no, it's 101G. the Spirit of Christ is God himself.

NOW, KNOWING THIS. John 1:1 is clear, the Word is GOD, plain and simple. well APAK by scripture you have just been showned that Jesus is the Word.

no excuses, only scriptures.

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I never said they were, g; High Priest and Priest are 2 diff offices, yes. We are called to be living sacrifices right
bb, why are you worried about that? and why ask me what you already know ... (smile).

as for calling, 1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1 Peter 2:10 "Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy".

Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Revelation 1:6 "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen".

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At least let me say I'm really sorry you were offended. If those that claim to be well-versed and into scripture can by scripture show me where Jesus is the word then I would be eager to see the evidence. Until that time stunnedbygrace I must shoot it down once in awhile and I've been doing a bit lately.
This subject is so crucial into understanding the one true Almighty as the Father of his Son. Well maybe you do not see the gravity of it.

Bless you and I do care that you have a great and edifying time on this forum, despite folks like me that rub you the wrong way I hope only occasionally. I do care that you were offended.

Love to you in Christ always,


APAK

I wasn't offended. And I think it's perfectly okay to talk about what you think is important. I just wish you wouldn't become so nasty when people don't agree with you and think Jesus is God and the word and the light and whom all we see was created through. As I said, I think the majority here do believe it. I think so anyway.
 
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bb, why are you worried about that? and why ask me what you already know ... (smile).

as for calling, 1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1 Peter 2:10 "Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy".

Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Revelation 1:6 "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen".

PICJAG.

Well you have just managed to support my claim again; that the word is not directly linked to Christ at all. It is an attribute of the Almighty only, as John 1:1 clearly states. This word of God became Christ, and thus his word (expression and will) became the word of his Son, the Christ. The Father God created Christ with his word, and he then walked in it, as the perfect expression, image, voice and instrument of God his Father, for our possibility of eternal life. Christ became the created man, the flesh, the word of eternal life for us, indeed.

You have quoted several OT scriptures concerning the word of YHWH in vain. For what, as it does nothing for your case. Yes, it is the word of YHWH speaking and he is in the OT, not Christ. I know you think differently and that is sad.

Let me explain further and using your own presented scripture that you really do not understand at all:

Peter 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. (KJV)

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The translators bias and prerogative of choice of grammar and Capitalization were at work (jot this down…it is important): It was to make the spirit a Spirit for Christ to equate it as the same as the Spirit of God. To be coherent in understanding, the spirit of Christ is always a lower cased ‘s’ as the upper case refers to God’s own Spirit, or aka the Spirit.

The fact that this verse says the “spirit of Christ” was upon people in the Old Testament has caused people to believe, as yourself, that Christ himself was present in the Old Testament. But, as we will see, such is not the case. In the first place, the phrase “spirit of Christ” never appears in the Old Testament. The “spirit of the Lord” or “the spirit of God” appears over and over, but never the “spirit of Christ.” (jot this down….it is a gem)

The spirit that God places upon people takes on different names as it refers to different functions. This can be abundantly proven. Nevertheless, the S(s)pirit is the same. God always gives His Spirit, and then it is named as it functions. When it is associated with wisdom, it is called the “spirit of wisdom” (Ex. 28:3; Deut. 34:9; Eph. 1:17). When it is associated with grace, it is called the “spirit of grace” (Zech.12:10; Heb. 10:29). When it is related to glory, it is called the “spirit of glory” (1 Pet. 4:14). It is called the “spirit of adoption” when it is associated with our everlasting life (Rom. 8:15, which is translated as “spirit of sonship” in some versions). It is called “the spirit of truth” when it is associated with the truth we learn by revelation (John 14:17; 16:13). When it came with the same power as it brought to Elijah, it was called “the spirit of Elijah” (2 Kings 2:15). These are not different spirits from different sources. All the names refer to the one gift of the holy Spirit that God gives. Ephesians 4:4 states clearly that there is “one Spirit,” and that Spirit is God’s gift of the holy Spirit given to some people in the Old Testament and to all believers today.

When Peter mentions that “the spirit of Christ” was upon prophets as they “predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glory that would follow,” it is easy to see that the Spirit is called the “spirit of Christ” because it is associated with Christ and foretold of Christ, not because Christ was actually alive during the Old Testament. Christ of course did not exist until 6-4 BC (jot this down, it is another gem)

As I previously said, all your quotes concerning the word of YHWH is exactly what John spoke of in his writings. It has zero to do with Christ as I said. This word is of YHWH, not his Son.

So how did you suddenly conclude that the spirit of Christ, a created human spirit and a gift of the Spirit, of YHWH, makes it the SAME as Spirit of YHWH again? I must have missed it. You must have left it in your mind and off the page. No need to redo it again. I see your view quite clearly.

Again, as I said before you have no scriptural knowledge of what John 1:1 means. You have just supported my doctrine again. Again, God the Father is the only Oneness in scripture, and he and his word is in Christ, our Lord - see John 1:14.

If you keep posting this type of support for your doctrine, I won't have to argue at all. You are actually proving my case, all the time.

Look I want to keep responding to your postings although I know your doctrine well enough to know how you support it and how you try to persuade others and myself. I've read enough of it to know you have some serious issues in scripture knowledge. My opinion of course. I will leave it at that.

Bless you,

APAK
 
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Well you have just managed to support my claim again; that the word is not directly linked to Christ at all. It is an attribute of the Almighty only, as John 1:1 clearly states. This word of God became Christ
this is your BIG ERROR. the Word of God his equal SHARE was Made flesh, not a attribute, but he himself "shared in flesh. you need to study more. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me".

do you know what your OWN arm is.... you... :eek: we don't even have to go any futher.

if you paid for the education that you got, you might want to get a refund. no seriously, if you cannot Comphren what this verse is saying here in this one scripture I feel sorry for you, really.

when you said Christ Jesus was "created" and came later, I knew then you was in Darkness, gross, darkness, being unlearned.

so until you can understand Isaiah 63:5, which Revelation chapter 5 clearly reveals, no need for you to answer any more ... :D

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This is just frightening. You don't magnify your Savior. You keep trying to...dishonor Him. All of the law and the prophets spoke of Him, He died for you...Yes, I know this will earn me an angry and vicious tirade. You make no sense and I'm frightened for you. And I would just steer clear of you but I can't, because this could harm others. You are preaching a different gospel and you dishonor God. Every knee will bend in worship of Him and He is, He was, and is to come. The beginning and the end, and on His robe, John saw His name and title, the Word of God.

My God, you have no idea what you are doing and saying.
 

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Its not something more study is going to change. It would have to be by revelation.

I used to get very upset with him, but now I don't. My problem now is I can't stop crying for him and for whoever else might be snared in this as he has been. So before, I had a lack of love for the man and I approached him with some amount of ugly pride, but how will he see unless God shows him? Its impossible.
 

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this is your BIG ERROR. the Word of God his equal SHARE was Made flesh, not a attribute, but he himself "shared in flesh. you need to study more. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me".

do you know what your OWN arm is.... you... :eek: we don't even have to go any futher.

if you paid for the education that you got, you might want to get a refund. no seriously, if you cannot Comphren what this verse is saying here in this one scripture I feel sorry for you, really.

when you said Christ Jesus was "created" and came later, I knew then you was in Darkness, gross, darkness, being unlearned.

so until you can understand Isaiah 63:5, which Revelation chapter 5 clearly reveals, no need for you to answer any more ... :D

PICJAG.

Still on the drugs of delusion and this time not just twisting scripture for your own needs, you also are twisting my words in the process again. Don’t you have any decency and shame in what you are doing, whatsoever?

You twisted my words to try and hope to ridicule me once more when you cannot get your way or control someone that knows quite a bit more than you regarding the Father, YHWH and his Son, our Lord and Savior, Yashua.

You said “Word of God his equal SHARE was Made flesh, not a attribute……” Beside I do not really understand this type of cryptic and nonsense statement again, the last part is definitely not how I phrased and used my words that now connote a quite different meaning entirely. And the thing is you deliberately did this again to consciously and to ridicule. Heaven help you man.


What I said was that the word that is of God is his own attribute or words. It is his own. That simple. To that effect with even other words, that clearly says it is his, and not his Son’s word. They are mutually exclusive although can be shared per scripture. You really do not understand what the logos of God is, do you?

Actually, all spirits have their own word as their own attribute, although that is another path of conversation. You do have a word and you do express yourself I hope, and it is definitely unique only to you as I have ‘seen.’ You are not sharing it or you r word with others or other spirits I hope?

So again, what is your point here, that Christ is the Father and the Spirit of God. And that they all share in the Son of man’s skin! Of course, you do. And you cannot stop saying this false claim, not in scripture.


Now if you say that the Son shared in the Father’s Spirit and his word as they are inextricably linked, then you are correct. The word became the Son as scripture says. Although you cannot believe this because you don’t even believe the Son of God was born a child, a human being from his Father and his Father is greater than his Son. This is a key axiom and truth of the gospel and you do not believe it.


So now you quickly move on, when you found out again, in truth, as a moving target, to another completely different subject than the OP, and to other scriptures that you manipulate to support your damnable doctrine.

So, what do you really know of the ‘right hand man’ of YHWH? Not much I suspect, as in other areas of scripture.


APAK
 

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Now if you say that the Son shared in the Father’s Spirit and his word as they are inextricably linked, then you are correct.
ERROR, you must not have been reading what we have been saying, or not unstood us. let us make it perfectly clear again, the lord Jesus did not share in the Father's Spirit. get that nonsense out of your head. LISTEN, the Lord Jesus is "THE" equal "share" ... of ... of... of the Spirit. why do you think I been hammering home the Greek term "ANOTHER". he's the numerical difference, the "another" or the equal "SHARE" of the same one Spirit in flesh.

NOT share in, but is "THE" Share of the SAME one Spirit. that's why John 1:1 said he was with, and IS God. because he's the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE. do you understand numerical difference? 1 ... 2 got it now? two entity, that are not two seperate and distinct entity, but the same entity "shared. got it now. the Lord Jesus is the "offspring" of God in flesh, for he emanate from the Spirit continuously, hence everlasting. that's why Isaiah called him the "EVERLASTING FATHER", the MIGHTY GOD.

we suggest you re-read this post for clarity.

PICJAG.