Suicide and Hell

(nobody;59680)
I used to be a Christian but there were things that never set right with me. I never really understood the whole thing about why God would kill his own son, when all he had to do was just forgive us, since he made the rules to begin with. Also, I was always upset at the thought of hell. How could a loving God torture people for all eternity?But I've been thinking about Hell a lot lately, even though I don't belive in Jesus or hell, really. I tried to kill myself in May and landed in the hospital. Recently, I've been thinking about it again. Yesterday I sat for the longest time just looking at the shower head, thinking about hanging myself. My life seems to be going nowhere lately, and I suffer from depression as an illness too. I almost did it, and the other night I put a plastic bag over my head, though I think now I've pretty much fixated on the hanging.....I don't know. I worry that if I do it I'll end up in more pain than I am now. If hell is just nothingness, than that wouldn't be so bad.I have heard that once you are a Christian, you always are. If so, maybe I am still one? But I have rejected it becasue I think the whole Christian 'system' is unfair. I told God that I wanted him out of my life, I hated him. I don't really want to believe in God, and if I die, I don't want to be with him. I'd rather not exist at all.I'm not really sure I'm writing. I guess I'm just a little worried, even though I know I could end my problems. I don't want to end up worse off. Do all suicides get punished by God? I guess I'm afraid God does exist and that He will punish me.
I'm going to set this straight. Suicide is murder, because you are planning to take your own life away. So suicide is a sin. ALL negativity comes from Satan. (sin)Secondly, there is no such thing as a burning in Hell forever doctrine in God's Words. It's a doctrine that men creates. Again, not in God's Words.Thirdly, Once Saved Always Saved is another doctrine that men creates. The only time OSAS is right, if they always believed in Christ and keep repenting for the sins they commited.Fourthly, Jesus Christ is God. God has three roles / forms. God is NOT three people.Number five, God is the ONLY Judge. I will never know the heart of a human. God knows whether the soul is sick, or literally want to do it on purpose in your heart...God loves you as He wants to save you. But you have to make a choice to do that. God doesn't want you to come to Him in a spirit of fear. He wants you to come to Him out of love. It's called free will... to choose God or Satan. Satan wants you dead...Please let us help you. All I have left to say to you is I love you.

Nobody:Assuming what you are saying is true, I will not even begin to answer or debate any theology. I think you will need to get some intervention to help you out because suicide is never an answer. You sound too close to the edge for my comfort.I can give you a link to a booklet by Armstrong that answers a lot of whys about everything. However, one has to approach it with an open mind. While I do not agree 100% with him (although close to it), he carefully thought everything out and came to the conclusions he did about the bible without influence of theological training. He was skeptic-turned-believer. I'm sort of that way as I know I need a lot of proof for something to pass the muster. But I cannot find fault with the main ideas behind his understanding of the bible and our purpose here on earth. It's called "Mystery of the Ages"Take your time reading it---- it may help.http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=book&id=34(You can download "Mystery of the Ages" in pdf format. The link is to the right of that web page)

Nobody,The first thing to know is that you are not "nobody." You are somebody, and you are a somebody no matter whether there is a God up there or not. I don't know the circumstances of your life, nor anything about you, but the fact that you've come here looking for an answer means that you have not given up all hope. There's something left.Do you have parents, siblings, other relatives, or close friends that you could talk to about this? It's not a healthy situation to feel this way, and you need to get help if you are having suicidal thoughts. If you do not have someone to talk to, please, please find someone. Go to the emergency room of the nearest hospital and ask to speak to a nurse. Or find some counselling services in your phone book. There are plenty of people who are there to help those in your situation, even if it doesn't seem like they can help.Ending your life is not the answer. It never is. I've had these tendencies myself, but it doesn't matter your theology or your religious beliefs - a life ending is a life ending. It's a very permanent solution to end the pain - but there are other ways to do this without this solution. Please take our advice and find someone that you can speak to. Thank you.

(nobody;59695)
I had a counselor I really liked who I was seeing, and I was going to see her every week. We had a good rapport. But she was through a church. Yes, I decided to go to church, even though I'm not a believer. I talked to the pastor there about my depression and he set me up with a counselor from the church which I could afford.But then I attempted suicide. When I got out of the hospital, the counselor told me she couldn't see me anymore. Apparently, the church decided that if I tried suicide again and succeeded, my family could sue the church. I was a 'liability' so I was asked (politely but firmly) to leave. Now I can't afford another counselor, because I was paying her on a sliding scale.It bothers me that Christians like this pastor, who is out there 'saving souls' is going to be all blessed in heaven and atheist friends of mine, who would never do something like that, are going to go to hell.Again, I don't know why I posted- I guess I was just afraid. All that brainwashing I got as a young Catholic when I was told about hell all the time, that did a number on me.I don't know about the suicide. Next Wednesday I'm going to go to a depression support group (assuming I'm still around) and maybe I can find people to talk to there. I spoke to a friend of mine tonight who was very concerned, and she told me not to do anything harmful to myself. She's a nurse and she said that hanging is in fact a very slow and painful death and that it also would hurt other people, her included, if I died. So I'm trying to be strong for her and my other friends, but its hard.
You know, I don't like judgmental Christians / Catholics or anyone. The Truth is, you are gonna need Him...He is the only one that can make things new. And without Him, you will have an extremely hard time getting through. Because God gives people common sense. But the question is, will men take that common sense? or will men throw it away out of the window?

And keep in mind that much of what goes on in the 'church world' are traditions of men. Many are no more 'saved' than the other religions they accuse of being wrong, or even the chair you are sitting on for that matter. The biggest enemies of Jesus were the religious people.That's why I don't even try to act the part. Oftentimes, I come to this forum with a few rums and cokes in me---- I don't say that proudly, but I do have a certain fear myself of acting the religious part to convince myself or even God that I am acceptable. I'm just a regular guy myself, usually smiling and being funny. The whole thing regarding forgiveness is God's part thru Christ and His choosing.That's why I posted that online book. It makes sense out of a lot of things that were never taught in the churches.

(nobody;59695)
Apparently, the church decided that if I tried suicide again and succeeded, my family could sue the church. I was a 'liability' so I was asked (politely but firmly) to leave. Now I can't afford another counselor, because I was paying her on a sliding scale.
That's completely ridiculous. A "counsellor" who abandons a client when they are suicidal is not much of a counsellor at all. It's unfortunate that you can't afford another counsellor, but there may be some in your area that work as part of a charity or agency and can offer help for free. I would encourage you to look into that.(nobody;59695)
I don't know about the suicide. Next Wednesday I'm going to go to a depression support group (assuming I'm still around) and maybe I can find people to talk to there. I spoke to a friend of mine tonight who was very concerned, and she told me not to do anything harmful to myself. She's a nurse and she said that hanging is in fact a very slow and painful death and that it also would hurt other people, her included, if I died. So I'm trying to be strong for her and my other friends, but its hard.
This is great to hear. I hope that the support group is beneficial for you and that there you can find some people who will listen to you and care about you. There is hope out there, and you can find it And it is a good thing to realize what effects you would have on your friends that you mention, if you did end your life. The fact that your friend said this to you shows you how much she cares about you.Is there some way that we can help here? It is hard to know what to say on an online environment, but perhaps if you felt comfortable sharing with us what it is that you are going through, then we can share it together. Burdens are always meant to be shared.

Maybe if "Nobody" comes back this might help. If not, Maybe this will help someone else. This is kinda long, but important nonetheless.I tried to commit suicide when I was 14. I had contemplated it often since I was 11 or 12. Even times when I was younger from around 4 and up I wished I had never been born at all. As a result of abuse and abandonment this is what I was left with. Sadness, Fear, Loneliness, the feeling of Worthlessness. When I was 14 I was very depressed. It was over a girl, but the deeper issue was what was being caused by the above. I was head over heals for this girl but she rejected me of and on and played mind games. I couldn't take it anymore, I felt rejected by my dad who left when I was 2, and left with a mom that abandoned me when I was 2 that same year. I was adopted by my grandparents, but my mother eventually got me back. When I was too little to defend my self the abuse was physical. When I got bigenough to defend myself the abuse was mental. I wont go into specifics.As you can see, with the original rejection, the rejection of someone else that I "loved" and that I thought "loved" me was more than I could take. The night I decided to do this, I went and to talk to my mom. She wouldn't hear a word I said, she was way to busy getting ready to go out. I don't remember what she told me, but it was something along the lines of "oh yeah?" and that was it. I planned it so I'd get caught by my then "ex" girlfriend.I went to the cabinet and jacked my moms muscle relaxers, some kind of pain pills that to this day I have no idea what they were. There were 2 bottles, 1 had 1 pill, I took that. The other was full, so I snatched it. I was skating to my girlfriends appartment (I was a skater btw) poppin the pills all the way. I think I counted 32 pills that I took. After I got there I borrowed a glass of water cause my mouth was dry from the pills. I took the glass and went off and sat somewhere by myself and kept taking them. She ended up finding me.Realizing what I was doing she freaked smooth out! By this time I was ate up, the pills were kickin in and I think I could barely stand straight, like I was drunk. She called 911, some how I ended up in her living room. Next thing I know I'm in the ambulance. I heard my mom in the background laughing and carrying on. The EMT guys were treating me like absolute skum. They told me "You're mom says you only took one pill" I was crushed! At that moment I was lowest as I'd ever been. I thought for a second about what eternity was like. I figured, well, when I die, I'll just be nothing, or just floating in nothing. I thought, yeah, I can just say yeah, I took one pill. Walk off and lay down in the field and watch the stars as I faded away.Something in me said, "NO! FIGHT LIVE!" all of a sudden I got super angry. I cussed the EMT guys out and told them what I took. "Well kid, you're about to go through some excruciating pain. Tell the truth, how many did you take?" I told them I said, "Get this S#$# outta me!" Off I went. I got my stomach pumped, they were right, it hurt like nothing I've ever felt before, very miserable.At this time, Mom wasn't there, Girlfriend wasn't there, Friends weren't there. I was alone again. Luckily the physical pain outweighed the pain in my heart at that moment. When that was all done, I ended up in ICU. Still, no mom, no friends, no one. Now I was completely devistated. A couple psychs came to talk to me, I think I scared one of them pretty bad. I got locked in treatment center at the same hospital.I was there 3 months, still no mom, no friends. My grandparents eventually came to see me. My "girlfriend" brought me a teddy bear with her perfume on it. No mom, until I got to go home on the weekends as my levels moved up. I still felt low. I was crushed in my heart, my mind, my spirit my everything. I just felt worthless.Things got better though. I met my wife soon after I got out of treatment. She's been a pilar for me. She's loved me unconditionaly for the past 16 years. I now have 2 beautiful children and a very good close friend that would even die for me, and be there when ever. My life is great now. Not that I didn't go through some more hell, that admitedly I put myself through. But, it's all better. There are still trials as expected in life.To this day I thank the Lord! For my life and for my wife and kids and my best friend. I'd be missing out of the best gifts the Lord had planned for me years down the road.Sometimes it seems bleak, and seems you're all alone. You're not! Whether you believe in Jesus or not, He's standing by yourside, hurting as bad as you are hurting. He's longing to give you the hope and love in your life that he has planned for you! Don't sell yourself short because you don't feel worthy of anything, or because someone else has lied to you or abused you or abandoned you. You are loved and aside from Christ and In Christ, there are people who care and love you!Don't give up and if you need help go get it! Call suicide hotlines, call someone!Don't be afraid to talk to God, tell him how you feel, Yell and scream stomp your feet, cry and wale, whatever, just let him know.

I see Nobody’s last post was Sep 26 2008, 11:17 PM and I can not help but wonder what happened to him/her after this kind of “love” received by condemning him/her in your opening statement: "I'm going to set this straight. Suicide is murder, because you are planning to take your own life away. So suicide is a sin. ALL negativity comes from Satan. (sin)”So you start of to speak about this big sin and then you come in with this false doctrine of “no such thing as a burning in Hell forever”For an already confused soul you have helped a lot.

QUOTE (bethog @ Apr 5 2009, 07:40 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71850
I see Nobody’s last post was Sep 26 2008, 11:17 PM and I can not help but wonder what happened to him/her after this kind of “love” received by condemning him/her in your opening statement: "I'm going to set this straight. Suicide is murder, because you are planning to take your own life away. So suicide is a sin. ALL negativity comes from Satan. (sin)”So you start of to speak about this big sin and then you come in with this false doctrine of “no such thing as a burning in Hell forever”For an already confused soul you have helped a lot.
I was thinking the same thing. I wish I would've been on this board back then. Either way maybe someone will happen by and see that it does and will get better. I think people get confused cause this is a huge scary subject, so they turn to 2 things, Fear, and then relief from fear.No one knows exactly what to say to someone feeling like this, and most people sadly just chalk it up to someone just wanting attention. A simple "DON"T DO IT!" would've been better than that.

Hi, not sure how to respond to this. One thing I can say, is that the devil finds it real easy convincincing people he doesnt exist because if he doesnt exist then you dont need Jesus, but futher to that, when my wife left me I spent a whole week lying on my bed contemplating suicide, trying to find a way to make her feel ashamed of what she did, a way to force her back to me, but it is because i know the enemy was behind all this I would not give in, Jesus gives me the strength to forgive the unfogiveable, Jesus is real, but to many He is just a figure in a story book. You dont need to look for Him He is always with you, its HE who gives you the strength to go on, Sit down and have a chat with Him, HE is always eager to hear what you have to say.In His love

QUOTE (Jordan @ Sep 26 2008, 12:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=59682
I'm going to set this straight. Suicide is murder, because you are planning to take your own life away. So suicide is a sin. ALL negativity comes from Satan. (sin)Secondly, there is no such thing as a burning in Hell forever doctrine in God's Words. It's a doctrine that men creates. Again, not in God's Words.Thirdly, Once Saved Always Saved is another doctrine that men creates. The only time OSAS is right, if they always believed in Christ and keep repenting for the sins they commited.Fourthly, Jesus Christ is God. God has three roles / forms. God is NOT three people.Number five, God is the ONLY Judge. I will never know the heart of a human. God knows whether the soul is sick, or literally want to do it on purpose in your heart...God loves you as He wants to save you. But you have to make a choice to do that. God doesn't want you to come to Him in a spirit of fear. He wants you to come to Him out of love. It's called free will... to choose God or Satan. Satan wants you dead...Please let us help you. All I have left to say to you is I love you.
I don't know what Bible your studying (well obviously none very well) but your teaching false doctrine!

QUOTE (Rich Mckee @ Apr 24 2009, 10:39 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72965
QUOTE (Jordan @ Sep 26 2008, 12:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=59682
I'm going to set this straight. Suicide is murder, because you are planning to take your own life away. So suicide is a sin. ALL negativity comes from Satan. (sin)Secondly, there is no such thing as a burning in Hell forever doctrine in God's Words. It's a doctrine that men creates. Again, not in God's Words.Thirdly, Once Saved Always Saved is another doctrine that men creates. The only time OSAS is right, if they always believed in Christ and keep repenting for the sins they commited.Fourthly, Jesus Christ is God. God has three roles / forms. God is NOT three people.Number five, God is the ONLY Judge. I will never know the heart of a human. God knows whether the soul is sick, or literally want to do it on purpose in your heart...God loves you as He wants to save you. But you have to make a choice to do that. God doesn't want you to come to Him in a spirit of fear. He wants you to come to Him out of love. It's called free will... to choose God or Satan. Satan wants you dead...Please let us help you. All I have left to say to you is I love you.
I don't know what Bible your studying (well obviously none very well) but your teaching false doctrine!LOLOLOLOL! Are you kidding me?To be honest, with a statement like that is prove zippo. It means nothing. It is not going to move me at all... I don't fall for words such as this cause it has no leg to stand on whatsoever.

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 24 2009, 10:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72967
I don't know what Bible your studying (well obviously none very well) but your teaching false doctrine!LOLOLOLOL! Are you kidding me?To be honest, with a statement like that is prove zippo. It means nothing. It is not going to move me at all... I don't fall for words such as this cause it has no leg to stand on whatsoever.
If Hell does not exist, like you sayavid was a liar (Ps.9:17)Solomon was a liar (Prov.27:20)Isaiah was a Liar (Isa. 5:14)Ezekiel was a liar (Exe. 31:16)Jesus Christ was a liar (Rev. 1:18)Just to name a fewAlso if Hell is not real where are the sins Christ bore on the cross? (1 Peter 2:24). Hebrews 9:28 says that when Christ returns he will be without sin. So answer me this you false prophet. Between the time Christ bore our sins on the cross AND before going to heaven, what did he do with the sins? He surely didn't take them to heaven with him did he? If they are still on him then where is he? Scriptural answers only. And SHOULD you SOMEHOW be able to twist and turn scripture to attempt to answer these I have more. Unless I get booted for calling you the false prophet that you are. I don't care either way. I'll only give account to God for my actions not the moderator of this forum so if they want to boot me for speaking the truth they can go right ahead.

I have seen God reconnect spines, Save my own son from Cancer, and the list Goes one. The bible says Hope makes us not ashamed. In other words, believing God, you won't come up short on the promises.

Listening to your conversation, I can tell you don't know Jesus as the Healer. Some, because they are weak in faith would rather just be home with God. That is fine, God will honor your desire to be with him, but you better ask the Lord if your not suppose to be doing something on earth before you decide to go. Satan is the one that put you there, you ought to be mad enough at him to find out what the Lord said about healing.

There are those that say it's not God's will to heal everyone, or that God uses this for his Glory. If you heard that, please take the time to listen to this. You listen as long as it takes. Suicide should never be a option. That is weak in faith, and someone giving up. The Lord has never given up on you, get more information before you make a decision and entertain thoughts of killing yourself.

http://www.moorelife.org/listseries.php?archive_index=GodsWillToHeal.txt&filetype=vod&seriestitle=2002+-+God%27s+Will+To+Heal

This is a free download, or you can just stream it. If I seemed a little hard, it's because Satan is a liar, and you don't have to succumb to him.

Jesus is Lord.

Those words from BM are just the words you wanted to hear right, jpaul. If only you had had enough faith.

JPAUL, there have been "BM types" with us for many years, don't pay attention to them. You just hang on, it will be worth it, you'll see.

JerryJohnson...................... Now you told him to just hang on..............

That is what I told him.............. I also took the time to get him some healing scriptures, and start to build hope.

Being in that condition can cause someone to loose their vision for life, It can cause someone to loose hope.

Now Where do we disagree here. You just told him to hang on. I know that he can more than hang on. The God I serve not only loves us, but nothing is impossible for our God. I thought you would know that Brother JerryJohnson.

So get filled with scriptures of hope, and never give up.


Jesus Is Lord