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Romans 14:23 (NASB)
But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

“whatever is not from faith is sin”

Faith in our lives is called to be the thing that distinguishes us from all else.

Knowledge of scripture is not faith. Faith is faith, and knowledge is knowledge. Faith may proceed from knowledge, and knowledge proceed from experience, but they are all to the growing of that which is the end game; our faith.

It is our faith in God that is to be the strength of our lives. The very heart or center, the dividing line between that which is sin, and that which isn’t. Faith or sin. The two categories of all things. Faith or sin.

Whatever is not one is the other.

Having faith in God;

In, by, from, and for all things. For God is God, and God is good, and we are not. If it is not God, it is not good. If it is not good, it is sin. Sin we can produce on our own, good we can not. So faith takes the place of the good we can not produce on our own. Whatever is not from faith is sin. Which is as much as saying if it’s from us or self, it’s sin. A looking away from ourselves to the source of all good is what is called for. For the just shall live by faith, this isn’t a one time faith and now were back to the limitations of that which we can do.

The just shall live by looking off to another all the days of their lives. Through that which they understand or that which they don’t. This faith we are called to is to be the ever present center or door that opens up the working of God in our lives. For God has simplified it down to the two, faith or sin. Whatever is not one is the other. The joy and peace and security there is in believing and having faith in God. Having faith in this one Who is good. Having faith that the good and righteous and loving thing exists and it is a embodied in a Person and this Person has a name and this Person’s heart is toward us. So to the getting to know this Person personally is that which causes our faith to grow. For when we know this One who is good, and we see that all else is not good, the good and honest heart longs to be joined with this one Who is good. For we have all been called to the good, let us answer the call with good and honest and open hearts knowing that if it’s not, faith, it’s sin.

Blessings,

Much love in Christ, Not me
 

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True, my understanding, we go from faith to faith OT Hab the just shall live by his faith, to NT Ro 1:17; Gal 2:20 the faith of Jesus Christ. It is far but I see it on the horizon. The 'end game' is to be found in Him His life)faith. Not my own.
 

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True, my understanding, we go from faith to faith OT Hab the just shall live by his faith, to NT Ro 1:17; Gal 2:20 the faith of Jesus Christ. It is far but I see it on the horizon. The 'end game' is to be found in Him His life)faith. Not my own.

Many blessings as you pursue Him with all your heart, for great is His reward.

Much love in Christ, Not me
 

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Romans 14:23 (NASB)
But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

“whatever is not from faith is sin”

Faith in our lives is called to be the thing that distinguishes us from all else.

Knowledge of scripture is not faith. Faith is faith, and knowledge is knowledge. Faith may proceed from knowledge, and knowledge proceed from experience, but they are all to the growing of that which is the end game; our faith.

It is our faith in God that is to be the strength of our lives. The very heart or center, the dividing line between that which is sin, and that which isn’t. Faith or sin. The two categories of all things. Faith or sin.

Whatever is not one is the other.

Having faith in God;

In, by, from, and for all things. For God is God, and God is good, and we are not. If it is not God, it is not good. If it is not good, it is sin. Sin we can produce on our own, good we can not. So faith takes the place of the good we can not produce on our own. Whatever is not from faith is sin. Which is as much as saying if it’s from us or self, it’s sin. A looking away from ourselves to the source of all good is what is called for. For the just shall live by faith, this isn’t a one time faith and now were back to the limitations of that which we can do.

The just shall live by looking off to another all the days of their lives. Through that which they understand or that which they don’t. This faith we are called to is to be the ever present center or door that opens up the working of God in our lives. For God has simplified it down to the two, faith or sin. Whatever is not one is the other. The joy and peace and security there is in believing and having faith in God. Having faith in this one Who is good. Having faith that the good and righteous and loving thing exists and it is a embodied in a Person and this Person has a name and this Person’s heart is toward us. So to the getting to know this Person personally is that which causes our faith to grow. For when we know this One who is good, and we see that all else is not good, the good and honest heart longs to be joined with this one Who is good. For we have all been called to the good, let us answer the call with good and honest and open hearts knowing that if it’s not, faith, it’s sin.

Blessings,

Much love in Christ, Not me

This is a good beginning. And we go from that faith...to His faith. There is the good....and then the perfect. But so often the good gets in the way of the perfect. So then spiritual pride arises when it is realized that the workaday walk of being led by the Spirit is not the same as walking IN the Spirit. Or at least it introduces itself. Humility chases it away.

It's like when a competent working musician sees a maestro at work...a musical prodigy. How does that competent musician see that gifted one...with jealousy? Anger? discredit?

Or does the competent musician allow himself to be in awe of the gift of God in the other...in humility?

I say the gift of God because that's what it is.

And so it is with spiritual life. It is God doing the works in the one who is in the Spirit. To be jealous of another is to fail the test of being a follower...by focusing on a person rather than God. It is to lose the simplicity and attitude of a child. It is to lose one's own blameless state.

We are all called to the level of walk we have been given. But we should never let what is good get in the way of the perfect or else we are railing against God Himself.

No longer I but Christ. That is the holy standard...above what human faithfulness can achieve.
 
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This is a good beginning. And we go from that faith...to His faith. There is the good....and then the perfect. But so often the good gets in the way of the perfect. So then spiritual pride arises when it is realized that the workaday walk of being led by the Spirit is not the same as walking IN the Spirit.

It's like when a competent working musician sees a maestro at work...a musical prodigy. How does that competent musician see that gifted one...with jealousy? Anger? discredit?

Or does the competent musician allow himself to be in awe of the gift of God in the other...in humility?

I say the gift of God because that's what it is.

And so it is with spiritual life. It is God doing the works in the one who is in the Spirit. To be jealous of another is to fail the test of being a follower...by focusing on a person rather than God. It is to lose the simplicity and attitude of a child. It is to lose one's own blameless state.

We are all called to the level of walk we have been given. But we should never let what is good get in the way of the perfect or else we are railing against God Himself.

No longer I but Christ. That is the holy standard...above what human faithfulness can achieve.

Blessings, I wish you well with your walk with God.

Much love in Christ, Not me
 

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That faith (trust) is a first struggle of growth. My gosh, I didn't become firm and unwavering for so many YEARS! I was just in constant worry about literally everything! If my bank account was down to 40.00 and the next bill needed to be sent out for 300.00, I could fool myself that I had firm trust, UNTIL it was 3 days away that it needed to be mailed out and there was still only 40.00. That's when a great struggle of trust came. And I would do sneaky things, like ask my mom for money to cover it, but not see that as lack of trust. But it was lack of trust. And if I was in, I needed to be ALL in.
 
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That faith (trust) is a first struggle of growth. My gosh, I didn't become firm and unwavering for so many YEARS! I was just in constant worry about literally everything! If my bank account was down to 40.00 and the next bill needed to be sent out for 300.00, I could fool myself that I had firm trust, UNTIL it was 3 days away that it needed to be mailed out and there was still only 40.00. That's when a great struggle of trust came. And I would do sneaky things, like ask my mom for money to cover it, but not see that as lack of trust. But it was lack of trust. And if I was in, I needed to be ALL in.
I'm firmer than I used to be but I wouldn't say I had reached the unwavering stage yet. :cool:
 

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Or...if I got a flat tire say...I would become very cranky and upset because things didn't go as I wished. Ah, but...IF I truly trusted that it is God who guides my steps, why would any monkeywrench cause consternation on my part??
 

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Romans 14:23 (NASB)
But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

“whatever is not from faith is sin”

Faith in our lives is called to be the thing that distinguishes us from all else.

Knowledge of scripture is not faith. Faith is faith, and knowledge is knowledge. Faith may proceed from knowledge, and knowledge proceed from experience, but they are all to the growing of that which is the end game; our faith.

It is our faith in God that is to be the strength of our lives. The very heart or center, the dividing line between that which is sin, and that which isn’t. Faith or sin. The two categories of all things. Faith or sin.

Whatever is not one is the other.

Having faith in God;

In, by, from, and for all things. For God is God, and God is good, and we are not. If it is not God, it is not good. If it is not good, it is sin. Sin we can produce on our own, good we can not. So faith takes the place of the good we can not produce on our own. Whatever is not from faith is sin. Which is as much as saying if it’s from us or self, it’s sin. A looking away from ourselves to the source of all good is what is called for. For the just shall live by faith, this isn’t a one time faith and now were back to the limitations of that which we can do.

The just shall live by looking off to another all the days of their lives. Through that which they understand or that which they don’t. This faith we are called to is to be the ever present center or door that opens up the working of God in our lives. For God has simplified it down to the two, faith or sin. Whatever is not one is the other. The joy and peace and security there is in believing and having faith in God. Having faith in this one Who is good. Having faith that the good and righteous and loving thing exists and it is a embodied in a Person and this Person has a name and this Person’s heart is toward us. So to the getting to know this Person personally is that which causes our faith to grow. For when we know this One who is good, and we see that all else is not good, the good and honest heart longs to be joined with this one Who is good. For we have all been called to the good, let us answer the call with good and honest and open hearts knowing that if it’s not, faith, it’s sin.

Blessings,

Much love in Christ, Not me

That is interesting.

I was talking with @Enoch111 a couple of days ago. We were discussing sin (in "THE CHURCH" thread)

I was saying that I do not 'always' see sin as a deliberate choice. Not of the heart, but often of the flesh.

He answered .. Quote :-
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[ Well as a matter of fact, according to the Bible every sin is indeed a choice. Every person always has choices. And it all began with Adam and Eve, who failed to make the right choices when they could have EASILY done so.

But James 1 gives us the progression of sin.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. [A CHOICE] ] End of quote.

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I am still betwixt and between.

Your posts shows the lack of faith is sin.
Now I am guessing we are all speaking about "lack of faith" as being after a person has heard the word from the Lord?

Because if faith comes by hearing, and we hear a word, but don't act on it...we sin, by our non choice of not acting on it?

I guess I am reminded of the children of Israel in the wilderness ...they heard, but were fearful and complaining...so their bones bleached in the wilderness and only Joshua and Caleb of their generation ,entered in. ( by faith being active)


I am still trying to get this straight and I am not there yet. :D
 
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We are a lot like Israel. Trust God to save us, step out under that tower, then don't trust for say... provision. How crazy is that??

If its something we KNOW we can't do, like make ourselves live eternally or raise our flesh again, we are perfectly okay trusting Him.

If its something we think we maybe CAN do, like see to our own provision, well then, no thanks, I will be in control of that. I only cede control to You, God, when its something I KNOW I can't do.

But the truth is, you can do nothing apart from Me.
 

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That is interesting.

I was talking with @Enoch111 a couple of days ago. We were discussing sin (in "THE CHURCH" thread)

I was saying that I do not 'always' see sin as a deliberate choice. Not of the heart, but often of the flesh.

He answered .. Quote :-
Enoch111 said:
[ Well as a matter of fact, according to the Bible every sin is indeed a choice. Every person always has choices. And it all began with Adam and Eve, who failed to make the right choices when they could have EASILY done so.

But James 1 gives us the progression of sin.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. [A CHOICE] ] End of quote.

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I am still betwixt and between.

Your posts shows the lack of faith is sin.
Now I am guessing we are all speaking about "lack of faith" as being after a person has heard the word from the Lord?

Because if faith comes by hearing, and we hear a word, but don't act on it...we sin, by our non choice of not acting on it?

I guess I am reminded of the children of Israel in the wilderness ...they heard, but were fearful and complaining...so their bones bleached in the wilderness and only Joshua and Caleb of their generation ,entered in. ( by faith being active)


I am still trying to get this straight and I am not there yet. :D

On the level of obedience by our own strength...we know what is right and wrong...so if we do what's wrong we are not doing it as by faith....but against faith. So in that way whatever is not of faith is sin. Obedience is by faith. Doing our own thing isn't. So this is about our faith and our faithfulness in that.

On the level of holiness....anything done out of His power of perfection is a mixture of us and whatever good there is in it. So then all we can ever do to the good of ourselves is a mixture...therefore has some sin in it. It isn't perfect. But this is only on the holiness level...as in...without Me you can do nothing (perfect and holy). This is on the level of HIS faith and all that He can do through us and nothing getting in the way of that.
 

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We are a lot like Israel. Trust God to save us, step out under that tower, then don't trust for say... provision. How crazy is that??

If its something we KNOW we can't do, like make ourselves live eternally or raise our flesh again, we are perfectly okay trusting Him.

If its something we think we maybe CAN do, like see to our own provision, well then, no thanks, I will be in control of that. I only cede control to You, God, when its something I KNOW I can't do.

But the truth is, you can do nothing apart from Me.

Its like...how do you think you see even to your temporal provision?? Do you control whether rain or drought comes? Do you control whether you are laid off from your job? Do you control whether or not a car smashes into you and you can no longer work? No, no and no. So being in control of even our temporal provision is an illusion.
 

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We are a lot like Israel. Trust God to save us, step out under that tower, then don't trust for say... provision. How crazy is that??

If its something we KNOW we can't do, like make ourselves live eternally or raise our flesh again, we are perfectly okay trusting Him.

If its something we think we maybe CAN do, like see to our own provision, well then, no thanks, I will be in control of that. I only cede control to You, God, when its something I KNOW I can't do.

But the truth is, you can do nothing apart from Me.


People will reason with their own minds and say...it is impossible to fly. But in an airplane any one of us can fly. It takes no skill...just trusting in the pilot. Or people will say you are not bulletproof. But anyone who climbs into an army tank will become bulletproof...not because of any power in the person but because of the place where one is abiding (sheltering).

So it is with Christ. We become located in Him who overcame all things...and in Him is no sin. So if we are REALLY in Him...guess what?

Can we do ALL things through Christ? ALL? I believe so.