Mature Spiritual Christians No Longer Need the Written Word?

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Jane_Doe22

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OK, so you would no longer agree with this statement of yours?
"We are saved by our love of Christ, ..."
Salvation does not happen without a person accepting Christ.
Yes, Christ is the person doing all the lifting, yes He loved first, but we must also love Him.
 

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/Salvation does not happen without a person accepting Christ.
Yes, Christ is the person doing all the lifting, yes He loved first, but we must also love Him.
How much love must you perform until you are assured of your salvation?
 

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Dude: love is about the heart.
Your question is akin to: "how much must your heart be changed to count as reborn?"
Could you answer my question?...
How much love must you perform until you are assured of your salvation?

Salvation is a rescue from a desperately evil heart. But go ahead.
 

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Could you answer my question?...
How much love must you perform until you are assured of your salvation?

Salvation is a rescue from a desperately evil heart. But go ahead.
Did that heart accept Christ as their Lord and Savior?
If yes, then such a person shall be saved. If no, then no.
 

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Did that heart accept Christ as their Lord and Savior?
If yes, then such a person shall be saved. If no, then no.
Yes, but notice, it was not on account of how much they loved Jesus, but that He first loved them.
 

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It is completely agree that Jesus loved them first. I said this already.
Then I can't help not seeing a contradiction with this first thing you said, "We are saved by our love of Christ, ...". That is why I brought up this whole issue in the first place.
 

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Then I can't help not seeing a contradiction with this first thing you said, "We are saved by our love of Christ, ...". That is why I brought up this whole issue in the first place.
Do you believe that a person whom dies hating God and completely rejecting Him from the bottom of their heart is saved?
 

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@prism
You were quick to complain when you thought I had gotten away from the topic of your OP, but since I took the time to re-read the OP and respond to you in detail in post #152 you haven't replied at all except indirectly by giving "likes" to those who were critical of what I wrote. I guess that means you did read it. It is apparent that you have no real interest in discussing your own topic yourself. What is your purpose here on this forum if not to teach and not to discuss?
 
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Nope, the opposite, I'm defending the Truth of the Word of God, standing for sound doctrines from the corruption of false teachings, heresy, and fables....
The time of 2Timothy 4 is here.
Titus 1:9–2:1, “He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it…But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine.”
2 Timothy 4:3“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear”
You just don't get it...

That "great number of teachers" is known by their great number. But here you are taking up with that greater number, claiming that the few are the greater, and that the few are the ones with itching ears hearing what they want to hear...which is against what Paul writes. You have it backwards and are chiming in with those who Paul warned about...and you don't even know it.
 
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Do you believe that a person whom dies hating God and completely rejecting Him from the bottom of their heart is saved?
I believe a person hating and rejecting God before dying was likely not saved to begin with.

Now can you be equally kind and answer my question?
How much love must you perform until you are assured of your salvation?
 

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@prism
You were quick to complain when you thought I had gotten away from the topic of your OP, but since I took the time to re-read the OP and respond to you in detail in post #152 you haven't replied at all except indirectly by giving "likes" to those who were critical of what I wrote. I guess that means you did read it. It is apparent that you have no real interest in discussing your own topic yourself. What is your purpose here on this forum if not to teach and not to discuss?
It's because all you seem to do is want to take the threads off the topic unto personal matters like you did in that post and this. When you want to discuss the actual topic without getting personally offended and lash back personally, give me a ring.
 

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It's because all you seem to do is want to take the threads off the topic unto personal matters like you did in that post and this. When you want to discuss the actual topic without getting personally offended and lash back personally, give me a ring.
Offended is not the right word. Rather I am sad that you really don't care to even discuss and hopefully work to edify one another in the things of God. The others here you usually support simply call people names without visible cause. I had hope from some of your words that you were different.

If I were to say you were right and I was wrong would it make you feel better even though to do so I would definitely have to lie? What kind of a victory is that? The scripture does say that "let God be true, but every man a liar" so those words might well fit us both... To the extent that anyone is really wrong in his beliefs and goes forward with those erroneous beliefs he is a liar even if unknowingly...
 
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Offended is not the right word. Rather I am sad that you really don't care to even discuss and hopefully work to edify one another in the things of God. The others here you usually support simply call people names without visible cause. I had hope from some of your words that you were different.

If I were to say you were right and I was wrong would it make you feel better even though to do so I would definitely have to lie? What kind of a victory is that? The scripture does say that "let God be true, but every man a liar" so those words might well fit us both... To the extent that anyone is really wrong in his beliefs and goes forward with those erroneous beliefs he is a liar even if unknowingly...
Like I said, when you are ready to discuss the topic rather than each other's foibles, let me know. :)
 

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I believe a person hating and rejecting God before dying was likely not saved to begin with.

Now can you be equally kind and answer my question?
I'm going to be forward here:

I'm not a Calvinist, and PASSIONATELY reject those teachings.
I do believe that a person must accept Christ and their Savior in order to be saved, a gift which he offers every single person. A person just needs to accept Him. This isn't a "work" or someone "earning" salvation and it doesn't make any sense to quantify things in that regard.
 

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I'm going to be forward here:

I'm not a Calvinist, and PASSIONATELY reject those teachings.
I do believe that a person must accept Christ and their Savior in order to be saved, a gift which he offers every single person. A person just needs to accept Him. This isn't a "work" or someone "earning" salvation and it doesn't make any sense to quantify things in that regard.
This isn't a Calvinist/Arminian issue. When you say 'we are saved by our love for Christ', it is a biblical/salvation issue. Where does the Scripture ever put salvation in our hands? Where does it say, 'we are saved by our love for Christ'?

Instead this is what I read...
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5 (KJV)
 

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This isn't a Calvinist/Arminian issue. When you say 'we are saved by our love for Christ', it is a biblical/salvation issue. Where does the Scripture ever put salvation in our hands? Where does it say, 'we are saved by our love for Christ'?

Instead this is what I read...
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5 (KJV)
From where I'm standing, you're just preaching Calvinism, and I'm really not interested. Have a nice day.
 

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From where I'm standing, you're just preaching Calvinism, and I'm really not interested. Have a nice day.
Fine, and until you explain yourself, from where I am standing, what you are preaching, Scripture has a warning to those who add their works to the work of Christ. You can read it in Gal 1:6-9. Have a nice life.
 

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Fine, and until you explain yourself, from where I am standing, what you are preaching, Scripture has a warning to those who add their works to the work of Christ. You can read it in Gal 1:6-9. Have a nice life.
Nonetheless, if you will hear the whole counsel of the word and receive it, that one passage does not make these others void:

John 14:12
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father."

1 Corinthians 3:10
"According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it."

...Thus, you have need to examine your own self with regard to all truth from God being in full agreement, and how you take up one passage in defense of a position that is not in accord with every other passage, but pits one against the other other as if God were against Himself. He is not, nor are the scriptures to be used in such a way.