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I look at the elect a little like we have a president elect. He has been chosen but has not yet taken...his station. And so we have been chosen by God, He showed us mercy and favor and blessed and blesses us. But we have not yet taken our station.

Wait a minute, wait a minute....do I smell Pie! Is that lemon meringue pie or Coconut cream pie? Need to share some of that.
 
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...snip...
Woe to you free will promulgators who say "I accepted Jesus into my heart" lacking scriptural and spiritual authority for such a man-centric acceptance statement because truly it matters what is acceptable to God (John 6:37, Romans 12:1)!

Woe to you free willers because you because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!

Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!

Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!

Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!

Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!

Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!

Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!
 
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Blessings to you @Kermos who although daring to take the place of Christ by cursing others who disagree with your theology, are not aware that you are in as much need of Christ as all of us, for as you said, without Him we can do nothing.
 

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Blessings to you @Kermos who although daring to take the place of Christ by cursing others who disagree with your theology, are not aware that you are in as much need of Christ as all of us, for as you said, without Him we can do nothing.

We need to pray for him...seriously. He is sick. It is a sick person who can only repeat and repeat the same thing over and over....I have an aunt like that, poor thing.
 

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Woe to you free will promulgators who say "I accepted Jesus into my heart" lacking scriptural and spiritual authority for such a man-centric acceptance statement because truly it matters what is acceptable to God (John 6:37, Romans 12:1)!

Woe to you free willers because you because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!

Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!

Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!

Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!

Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!

Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!

Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!

What do you believe about sin? Do you willfully sin?
 

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Lord Jesus described a part of His Essence which is the Sovereignty of God in salvation when He proclaimed "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).

Example Statement 1: "I chose to believe in Jesus"

Example Statement 2: "I willpowered to follow Jesus"

Example Statement 3: "I accepted Jesus"

The three example statements above are false according to Lord Jesus (John 15:16), and each of the stetements deny the essence of Who Jesus is. The statements represent the free will doctrine.
Christ also said....preach the gospel to EVERY CREATURE.
He that (any creature) BELIEVES and is BAPTIZED shall be saved.

Example statement 1: I chose to believe in the gospel
Example statement 2: I will-powered (was obedient) to be baptized in water
Example statement 3: I was then SAVED (according to Jesus own words)

The three statements above are true according to Jesus words. If not why not? See, I can play this game too. The problem with people like you and there are many of you, is that you cling to pet passages and create doctrines to the exclusion of other clear contradictory passages. You refuse to even accept ALL of what the Bible has to say on any one subject.
I have clearly shown how Jesus in Jn 15 was speaking directly to the apostles but you refuse to see it and acknowledge it because of what you stand to lose....your own false doctrine.
 
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To be saved is to be elect. There is no difference. The Scriptures plainly teach the assurance of salvation. Do you deny this?
I agree that to be one who has been obedient to the gospel (therefore in a saved state with the Lord) means you are one of the elect.
I believe we can be sure of our salvation, but I also believe that we can lose that salvation if we are not faithful to God.
 

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...snip...
Woe to free willians and false choosers because in violation of the word of Lord Jesus and the Book of Revelation of the Apostle John you attempt to add "choose" and/or "will[power]" to scripture such as John 3:16 as well as subtract scripture such as John 15:16 - as the Holy Spirit dictates the application of these passages to the Sovereignty of God in man's salvation (John 14:23-24, Revelation 22:18-19)!

Woe to you free will promulgators who say "I accepted Jesus into my heart" lacking scriptural and spiritual authority for such a man-centric acceptance statement because truly it matters what is acceptable to God (John 6:37, Romans 12:1)!

Woe to you free willers because you because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!

Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!

Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!

Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!

Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!

Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!

Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!
 

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Woe to free willians and false choosers because in violation of the word of Lord Jesus and the Book of Revelation of the Apostle John you attempt to add "choose" and/or "will[power]" to scripture such as John 3:16 as well as subtract scripture such as John 15:16 - as the Holy Spirit dictates the application of these passages to the Sovereignty of God in man's salvation (John 14:23-24, Revelation 22:18-19)!

Woe to you free will promulgators who say "I accepted Jesus into my heart" lacking scriptural and spiritual authority for such a man-centric acceptance statement because truly it matters what is acceptable to God (John 6:37, Romans 12:1)!

Woe to you free willers because you because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!

Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!

Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!

Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!

Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!

Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!

Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!
What is “snip”? You seem to be attributing something to me I never said. Is this what the “elect” does? Did God make you misrepresent me.
 
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...but I also believe that we can lose that salvation if we are not faithful to God.


Those who are saved will persevere to the end. They cannot lose their salvation. Scripture has much to say regarding this truth, but one passage from the mouth of Jesus himself should suffice.

John 6:37-39
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

Those who fall away or fail to obey were never saved in the first place.

1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
 
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Woe to free willians and false choosers because in violation of the word of Lord Jesus and the Book of Revelation of the Apostle John you attempt to add "choose" and/or "will[power]" to scripture such as John 3:16 as well as subtract scripture such as John 15:16 - as the Holy Spirit dictates the application of these passages to the Sovereignty of God in man's salvation (John 14:23-24, Revelation 22:18-19)!

Woe to you free will promulgators who say "I accepted Jesus into my heart" lacking scriptural and spiritual authority for such a man-centric acceptance statement because truly it matters what is acceptable to God (John 6:37, Romans 12:1)!

Woe to you free willers because you because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!

Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!

Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!

Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!

Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!

Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!

Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!
I am interested in what motivates you to come here and pronounce curses upon those you believe are lost and in darkness. Those who in your estimation are following a false gospel, and therefore doomed to hell. What are you hoping to accomplish? Why have you chosen to do this?
 
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Woe to free willians and false choosers because in violation of the word of Lord Jesus and the Book of Revelation of the Apostle John you attempt to add "choose" and/or "will[power]" to scripture such as John 3:16 as well as subtract scripture such as John 15:16 - as the Holy Spirit dictates the application of these passages to the Sovereignty of God in man's salvation (John 14:23-24, Revelation 22:18-19)!

Woe to you free will promulgators who say "I accepted Jesus into my heart" lacking scriptural and spiritual authority for such a man-centric acceptance statement because truly it matters what is acceptable to God (John 6:37, Romans 12:1)!

Woe to you free willers because you because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!

Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!

Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!

Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!

Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!

Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!

Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!

Free willians...?
 
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Woe to you freewillers who say "I put my faith in Jesus" in spite of the Lord Jesus saying that God puts faith in the child of God (John 6:29)!

Woe to free willians and false choosers because in violation of the word of Lord Jesus and the Book of Revelation of the Apostle John you attempt to add "choose" and/or "will[power]" to scripture such as John 3:16 as well as subtract scripture such as John 15:16 - as the Holy Spirit dictates the application of these passages to the Sovereignty of God in man's salvation (John 14:23-24, Revelation 22:18-19)!

Woe to you free will promulgators who say "I accepted Jesus into my heart" lacking scriptural and spiritual authority for such a man-centric acceptance statement because truly it matters what is acceptable to God (John 6:37, Romans 12:1)!

Woe to you free willers because you because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!

Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!

Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!

Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!

Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!

Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!

Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!
 

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Those who are saved will persevere to the end. They cannot lose their salvation. Scripture has much to say regarding this truth, but one passage from the mouth of Jesus himself should suffice.

John 6:37-39
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

Those who fall away or fail to obey were never saved in the first place.

1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Romans 14:15,20,23 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
A brother, one who is saved, can be destroyed.

1 Corinthians 8:10-11 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
A weak BROTHER (one who is saved, for whom Christ died) shall perish. Clear teaching of BROTHER losing salvation.

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
If his spirit is eternally saved then why would it even be in question. Why would steps need to be taken in order for that spirit to be saved in the end? The simple answer? Because he can lose it.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
This is talking about people who had been called into grace. (The elect) the next 3 verses speaks of them being accursed by another gospel.

Galatians 5:1,4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
How can you fall from a place you have never been.

Hebrews 6. Study it

Hebrews 10:26-31
Vs 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
These people had been sanctified by the blood but are now heading toward a fiery destruction.
Can you be sanctified and not saved?

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
This is clear...these are people who had been BOUGHT by the lord. SAVED!!! And they then teach false doctrine and bring upon themselves swift DESTRUCTION.

There are many more passages, but the above passages teach a clear message.....
You can be a brother in Christ, bought by the lord, sanctified by the blood, saved by grace, and Be LOST.
 

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Woe to free-willers and man's choice advocates who erroneously claim that a child of God can transition into not - thus you deny Lord Jesus' words "I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand" (John 6:37, John 6:39, John 10:38)!

Woe to you freewillers who say "I put my faith in Jesus" in spite of the Lord Jesus saying that God puts faith in the child of God (John 6:29)!

Woe to free willians and false choosers because in violation of the word of Lord Jesus and the Book of Revelation of the Apostle John you attempt to add "choose" and/or "will[power]" to scripture such as John 3:16 as well as subtract scripture such as John 15:16 - as the Holy Spirit dictates the application of these passages to the Sovereignty of God in man's salvation (John 14:23-24, Revelation 22:18-19)!

Woe to you free will promulgators who say "I accepted Jesus into my heart" lacking scriptural and spiritual authority for such a man-centric acceptance statement because truly it matters what is acceptable to God (John 6:37, Romans 12:1)!

Woe to you free willers because you because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!

Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!

Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!

Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!

Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!

Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!

Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit![/QUOTE]
 
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Woe to free-willers and man's choice advocates because you do not confess in accord with the Word of God that God alone is good because you being a bad tree you cannot produce good fruit yet you claim good fruit by your ability to choose God as well as fruit of the Spirit of God (Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18, Matthew 7:17-18, John 15:16, Galatians 5:22-23, John 15:1-8)!

Woe to you freewillers who say "I put my faith in Jesus" in spite of the Lord Jesus saying that God puts faith in the child of God (John 6:29)!

Woe to free willians and false choosers because in violation of the word of Lord Jesus and the Book of Revelation of the Apostle John you attempt to add "choose" and/or "will[power]" to scripture such as John 3:16 as well as subtract scripture such as John 15:16 - as the Holy Spirit dictates the application of these passages to the Sovereignty of God in man's salvation (John 14:23-24, Revelation 22:18-19)!

Woe to you free will promulgators who say "I accepted Jesus into my heart" lacking scriptural and spiritual authority for such a man-centric acceptance statement because truly it matters what is acceptable to God (John 6:37, Romans 12:1)!

Woe to you free willers because you because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!

Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!

Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!

Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!

Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!

Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!

Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!
You didn’t answer my question. I believe you just copied and pasted your other tired posts.
Once again.. in Jn 15 Jesus was speaking to the twelve and the twelve ONLY.
Read also Jn 6:70, acts 1:2
In Rom 16 Paul said...
Salute Rufus, chosen in the lord.
Did Paul mean that Christ had specially chosen Rufus? Or, that Rufus was one of the many who had obeyed the gospel? Rom 1:16,17
Was Rufus one who had “obeyed from the heart” that FORM of doctrine delivered him?
Rom 6:17
Those who obey the gospel are the “chosen” (elect) of Christ.
 

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You didn’t answer my question. I believe you just copied and pasted your other tired posts.
Once again.. in Jn 15 Jesus was speaking to the twelve and the twelve ONLY.

It is the Word of God that proves you wrong, such as the new first "woe" from my previous post which I'm pasting into the next paragraph for clarity.

Woe to free-willers and man's choice advocates who erroneously claim that a child of God can transition into not - thus you deny Lord Jesus' words "I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand" (John 6:37, John 6:39, John 10:38)!

Since you deny Lord Jesus' exclusive choosing (John 15:16), and only the chosen of God can understand the New Testament writings (John 15:16, John 14:26), and by your words you find that John 15:16 does not apply to you; therefore, your own words judge you (Matthew 12:36) as not chosen thus not having the Holy Spirit thus your inability to understand scripture (John 16:8).

Your deceived eyes (Matthew 6:23) miss that the woe's are expanding with each new post, I'm going to place the links to the posts that prove John chapters 13 - 17 applying are not just to the Apostles but expansive to all disciples in all time:

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

These posts prove your deception!

Well, back to "woe to the free willers" posting.
 

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Woe to you free willers because you do not confess in accord with the Word of God that God alone is good because you being a bad tree you cannot produce good fruit yet you claim good fruit by your ability to choose God as well as fruit of the Spirit of God (Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18, Matthew 7:17-18, John 15:16, Galatians 5:22-23, John 15:1-8)!

Woe to free-willers and man's choice advocates who erroneously claim that a child of God can transition into not - thus you deny Lord Jesus' words "I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand" (John 6:37, John 6:39, John 10:38)!

Woe to you freewillers who say "I put my faith in Jesus" in spite of the Lord Jesus saying that God puts faith in the child of God (John 6:29)!

Woe to free willians and false choosers because in violation of the word of Lord Jesus and the Book of Revelation of the Apostle John you attempt to add "choose" and/or "will[power]" to scripture such as John 3:16 as well as subtract scripture such as John 15:16 - as the Holy Spirit dictates the application of these passages to the Sovereignty of God in man's salvation (John 14:23-24, Revelation 22:18-19)!

Woe to you free will promulgators who say "I accepted Jesus into my heart" lacking scriptural and spiritual authority for such a man-centric acceptance statement because truly it matters what is acceptable to God (John 6:37, Romans 12:1)!

Woe to you free willers because you because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!

Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!

Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!

Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!

Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!

Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!

Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!

Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!

Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!