Can one be saved while they are all alone?

amadeus · Jun 26, 2019

CNKW3 said:
Amen. But you first have to become a child of God and you don’t get there all by yourself..

No, we don't get there alone, but no man other than Jesus is able to provide the necessary help. Why should we need any other man with us? Because you cannot find a verse of scripture supporting getting save all alone? Are you not subject to and connected to the Head? If you are then leave the details to Him and leave the identity of the remainder of the Body alone. Not in your jurisdiction!

Harvest 1874 · Jun 26, 2019

Willie T said:
Romans 7:15-20

You left off the good part Willie, a little further down, where Paul after realizing his true condition exclaims:

"O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death (this body of sin)? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! ..." Verses 24, 25

Here it is confirmed that one can indeed be saved while yet still a sinner, while still in their sins. That is the whole purpose of the redemption provided for us in Christ Jesus our Lord. We are not expected that we first become sin free (an impossibility) and then be saved. To the contrary, it is our sins which we are being saved from.

CNKW3 · Jun 26, 2019

Ezra said:
ok my bad i should said 2nd question you posted errors is the answers the error or is this your statements..your really backing yourself into a corner

I don’t understand this post. What corner am I in?

CNKW3 · Jun 26, 2019

Ezra said:
actually i can close my post if your not apostolic pentecost your really close see the moment we are saved we re baptized into the Body of christ

1 Corinthians 12:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. see your fully convinced you hold the correct theology . if i am correct your baptism is the evidence of speaking in tongues
water baptism never saved any one.. saved by grace through faith

For “by one Spirit” does not mean that it is literally the HS doing the baptizing. This is the way the Bible speaks. It is through the guidance of the Spirt or through his word that we are lead to baptism into the body.
For instance a few chapters earlier
1 Corinthians 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
Is the wife literally bound by the law?
No it is through the teaching of the law that she is bound. It is the same idea with the Spirit. Does the Spirit literally baptize us into Christ? No it’s through the teaching of the Spirit that we are baptized in water into Christ or into the body. In 1 Cor 1 Paul clearly teaches that it was baptism, in water, that made them “of Christ” or belonging to Christ. 1:11-13. To be “of Christ” one would need to be baptized in the name of Christ.
What your doctrine teaches is that Paul is preaching 2 baptisms for salvation when he clearly states in Eph 4:5 that there is only one.

In 2 Cor 3:15 Paul says...when Moses is read. Was Moses literally read or was it that they read what Moses wrote?
Actually the HS doesn't baptize anyone. The Bible teaches it is Christ doing the baptizing with the HS. And he did that on Pentecost and on Cornelius.
Other translations of 1 Cor 12 say...for IN one spirit are we baptized into the body. So, it is through the teaching and direction of the Spirit that leads us to salvation through immersion in water “into Christ”.

CNKW3 · Jun 26, 2019

Ezra said:
so where did you get all these at

once saved always saved. is a very big topic one that can never be ended but i will throw this in for free...
1 John 2:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. hope your heart is strong enough
so is these your answers

Gal 5:4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
How can you fall from a place you have never been. That should put an end to that false teaching but people are just a little too stubborn and proud to let it go..

CNKW3 · Jun 26, 2019

ScottA said:
You are not listening, not here, nor in the scriptures.

I gave you an example from scripture. And an explanation.

But you have also been told and should know better than to expect that there would be examples when Jesus made it clear that, "The wind blows where it pleases, and you hear its sound, but you don't know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit" (John 3:8).

But you continue your unholy campaign. So much for not wanting to be found wanting at the judgement.

You have not proved peoples testimonies to be incorrect, but rather have shown Christ's word to be correct...and yourself in error.

Out of all the examples of conversion in the NT; where is yours? Again, I would hate to think I was clinging to “salvation” in a doctrine the HS never saw fit to provide an example of. My salvation “in Christ” is repeated over and over and over again. I can take comfort KNOWING that I did the exact same thing ALL these other people did who are said to be saved. Can you show me your same assurance?

CNKW3 · Jun 26, 2019

amadeus said:
What do you mean by credible? You were not there to personally see with your eyes of flesh the miracles of Jesus so why do you accept the witness of those writers of scripture who went to the grave hundreds of years before you were born? Why accept them and accept no testimony of a person today which includes an event at which you were not personally present?

Hahaha. This is fabulous. You want me to equate peoples crazy, uninspired testimony today with Christ chosen, miracle working people who physically spent three years with Jesus and personally saw him after he was resurrected AND went to their grave in defense of? Some of you never cease to amaze me.

Sight unseen with no revelation from God and you call it garbage... and call the testifier a loon? If it were not true would it be better to hold your peace [remain silent] than to engage in needless condemnation? It is certainly not your job to condemn anyone, is it? I believe that neither you nor I would qualify for the job.

I don’t condemn anybody. I just said I don’t believe the HS drove his truck 20 miles to his destination. If that makes me a bad guy then I’m sorry..

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Matt 12:36

If, on the other hand, it were true, wouldn't you wish that you had not said a word?

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" Ecc 3:1
"...a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" Ecc 3:7

You are the one that brought this “testimony” up and asked me about it. I answered and I stand by my answer. I could care a less about his “testimony”. Where does it say we are to go around giving out some testimony anyway? We can’t testify. We are eye witnesses to nothing.

Did you not say you could not believe [or have faith in] that man's testimony because it was unverifiable? If you don't believe it why not turn it over to God and remain silent rather than speaking words without knowledge?

The miraculous working of the HS is no longer in effect so I am not speaking without knowledge. 1 Cor 13:8-10.

"Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?" Job 38:2

Do you believe that the Acts of true believers in God and His Son ended when the last words of what call the Book of Acts in the Bible were written? Faith in God and His Son is certainly more than believing. As we have read in the scriptures, even devils believe.

As I have already said, when you don't believe someone's testimony simply turn it over to God and hold your tongue as the final judgment does not belong to you... lest you find yourself needing to account to God for idle words spoken!

you are the one that brought it up. I would have never said a thing except you asked me about it.

amadeus · Jun 26, 2019

CNKW3 said:
You are the one that brought this “testimony” up and asked me about it. I answered and I stand by my answer. I could care a less about his “testimony”. Where does it say we are to go around giving out some testimony anyway? We can’t testify. We are eye witnesses to nothing.

Are you not even a witness to your own conversion from a person abiding in death to person renewed in the Spirit of God? You have no testimony of that?

What do you think the following verse means?

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" I Peter 3:15

CNKW3 · Jun 26, 2019

amadeus said:
Are you not even a witness to your own conversion from a person abiding in death to person renewed in the Spirit of God? You have no testimony of that?

What do you think the following verse means?

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" I Peter 3:15

I am ready to give an answer. This does not say go around giving some “testimony” of what? I’m not going to tell you my experience I’m going to give you book, chapter and verse of why I have hope. 1 pet 4:11

ScottA · Jun 26, 2019

CNKW3 said:
Out of all the examples of conversion in the NT; where is yours? Again, I would hate to think I was clinging to “salvation” in a doctrine the HS never saw fit to provide an example of. My salvation “in Christ” is repeated over and over and over again. I can take comfort KNOWING that I did the exact same thing ALL these other people did who are said to be saved. Can you show me your same assurance?

You can no more show me than I can show you. But I can show you where what you are doing is accused.

amadeus · Jun 26, 2019

CNKW3 said:
I am ready to give an answer. This does not say go around giving some “testimony” of what? I’m not going to tell you my experience I’m going to give you book, chapter and verse of why I have hope. 1 pet 4:11

So you are here ready to quickly criticize the words of other confessed believers yet you refuse to abide by the words that Peter wrote. Well it is your privilege not to answer but as long as you refuse to share what God has given you should not be expecting many to seriously listen to whatever your do say. A discussion requires some give and take. We will be praying that you may receive the eyes to see and ears to hear of which Jesus speaks.

CNKW3 · Jun 26, 2019

amadeus said:
So you are here ready to quickly criticize the words of other confessed believers yet you refuse to abide by the words that Peter wrote. Well it is your privilege not to answer but as long as you refuse to share what God has given you should not be expecting many to seriously listen to whatever your do say. A discussion requires some give and take. We will be praying that you may receive the eyes to see and ears to hear of which Jesus speaks.

Where did I not answer? I told you I am ready to give an answer but my answer will not be some personal experience I had. It will come from book, chapter and verse. I have already given book chapter and verse of my conversion to Christ. Please read in the future. I don’t like having to post the same thing twice.

ScottA · Jun 26, 2019

CNKW3 said:
Where does it say we are to go around giving out some testimony anyway? We can’t testify. We are eye witnesses to nothing.

Speak for yourself.

Revelation 12:11
"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death."

amadeus · Jun 26, 2019

CNKW3 said:
Where did I not answer? I told you I am ready to give an answer but my answer will not be some personal experience I had. It will come from book, chapter and verse. I have already given book chapter and verse of my conversion to Christ. Please read in the future. I don’t like having to post the same thing twice.

OK so no "road to Damascus" type of experience exists for you. When the hungry seeker asks of you, in your answer to him you will give him chapter and verse. I guess I missed that. On which post did you give book, chapter and verse of your conversion? Was it on this thread? [I have not read all of your posts on all of the threads on the forum.]

ScottA · Jun 26, 2019

amadeus said:
OK so no "road to Damascus" type of experience exists for you. When the hungry seeker asks of you, in your answer to him you will give him chapter and verse. I guess I missed that. On which post did you give book, chapter and verse of your conversion? Was it on this thread? [I have not read all of your posts on all of the threads on the forum.]

That's it...he doesn't have or know the Holy Spirit! He said himself "We are eye witnesses to nothing." ...He has got nothing but what is written.

Acolyte · Jun 27, 2019

CNKW3 said:
acts 10 does NOT say we will ALL receive the HS before baptism.

And neither did I. I said I received the HS before water baptism. And I was physically alone, but Jesus was with me, right then, right there. Amen!

Earburner · Jun 27, 2019

CNKW3 said:
I have heard from many people that they were “saved” while they were all alone. They woke up in their bed, got on their knees and prayed to God. They then knew they were saved.
I’ve heard of people riding in their car or on their motorcycle and had an experience, prayed to God, and they knew right then they were saved. There was nobody present.

If this is the case, and we can be saved in this fashion, then why didn’t the HS see fit to give us just ONE example of a person, who was all by themselves, had some experience, prayed to God, asked for forgiveness, and then the Bible pronounced them saved.

So, I am asking for this....
For ANYBODY to show me where ANYONE was ever “saved” in the fashion many people say they were today. All by themselves with no participation from any other human being.
If you cannot show me one Biblical example of this experience then why does anybody think they can be saved in a way that the HS saw fit to leave absent. Are we able to make up our own way of salvation or must we do what what they did when the church was first established?

Paul the Apostle was saved that way.
In a similar manner, so was I.
.
I received a vision, and in it, I was handed a book, with title of 1 Timothy on the cover, and was told to "Read it". During the vision, I attempted to read that book, but to no avail. I read the words, but couldn't understand it.
Being "un-churched" to a large degree, I had no knowledge if there even was such a book. I assumed that it must be in the Bible. I found it in the table of contents in a KJV Bible, and then read it for real.
In 1 Timothy 4:1, God spoke to me of the error of my ways.
I continued to read and found John chapter 3, and it was there and then that I repented and accepted Jesus as my Savior, and was born again by His Holy Spirit.
.
All of the above is only a small part of my testimony
Of how God can save anyone all by themselves, through Him alone!
Earburner

Taken · Jun 27, 2019

CNKW3 said:
I have heard from many people that they were “saved” while they were all alone. They woke up in their bed, got on their knees and prayed to God. They then knew they were saved.
I’ve heard of people riding in their car or on their motorcycle and had an experience, prayed to God, and they knew right then they were saved. There was nobody present.

"ALL ALONE" is the KEY element.
A PERSON becoming SAVED is NOT "ALL ALONE".

A Human person, MAY CERTAINLY, "NOT BE WITH other HUMAN Persons"....thus
"ALL ALONE" would MEAN...VOID of the company of "OTHER HUMAN Persons".

If this is the case, and we can be saved in this fashion, then why didn’t the HS see fit to give us just ONE example of a person, who was all by themselves, had some experience, prayed to God, asked for forgiveness, and then the Bible pronounced them saved.

ONE example:

Matt 18
[20] For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

As soon AS "A" man, (NOT in the company of other Humans) CALLS on the Name of the Lord Jesus....The individual Human Man and the Lord Jesus ARE TWO gathered together IN Jesus' NAME.

So, I am asking for this....
For ANYBODY to show me where ANYONE was ever “saved” in the fashion many people say they were today. All by themselves with no participation from any other human being.
If you cannot show me one Biblical example of this experience then why does anybody think they can be saved in a way that the HS saw fit to leave absent.

The Lord does NOT, and "A" man does NOT, require the Includsion or Participation or Notification or Authority of Another man, to Establish a Relationship BETWEEN;
An Individual man AND Thee Lord God Almighty.

Are we able to make up our own way of salvation or must we do what what they did when the church was first established?

Human Men DO NOT Save Human men.
Man made Churches DO NOT save Human men.
Established Relationships between Human men DO NOT Save Human men.

Living HUMAN men Become SAVED exclusively BY the Power and Authority of Christ Jesus, and an Individual mans Choice to CALL ON thee Lord Jesus' Name;
The man "CALLING ON" the Lord, has Just Effected TWO, being Gathered Together.
To which Thee Lord Jesus THEN exercises His Power and Authority;
Which Results IN the Individual man RECEIVING Salvation.

Glory to God,
Taken

Earburner · Jun 27, 2019

CNKW3 said:
You can’t baptize yourself

Baptism by water saves no one, but is a symbolic representation of the inward experience of God baptizing one with the Holy Spirit, which is that moment when both God the Father and God the Son take up permanent residence within the believer.

Ezra · Jun 27, 2019

this is where we are failing ..
Proverbs 26:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

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