Can one be saved while they are all alone?

amadeus said:

OK so no "road to Damascus" type of experience exists for you. When the hungry seeker asks of you, in your answer to him you will give him chapter and verse. I guess I missed that. On which post did you give book, chapter and verse of your conversion? Was it on this thread? [I have not read all of your posts on all of the threads on the forum.]

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I did exactly what Saul of Tarsus did. I heard the word, believed, repented, confessed and was baptized in order to wash away my sins calling on the name of the Lord. He wasn’t saved alone neither was I. You can find all of that in acts 9 and 22. This is the same example we find over and over in the NT. But you know what example is surprisingly absent? Yours and many others on this board. But I guess that’s ok. You can be saved in any way you feel is right whether it comes from God or not. It’s all about emotion and testimony.

ScottA said:

That's it...he doesn't have or know the Holy Spirit! He said himself "We are eye witnesses to nothing." ...He has got nothing but what is written.

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Haha. What have you been an eye witness to?

Acolyte said:

And neither did I. I said I received the HS before water baptism. And I was physically alone, but Jesus was with me, right then, right there. Amen!

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If we don’t all receive HS before baptism then how did you get it? Were you a special case? How do you know “Jesus was with me”? Did you just have some warm feeling? Did he personally speak to you like Saul on the road? Anybody can claim anything but that doesn’t make it so. The difference is those in the first century could prove it.

Earburner said:

Paul the Apostle was saved that way.
In a similar manner, so was I.
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I received a vision, and in it, I was handed a book, with title of 1 Timothy on the cover, and was told to "Read it". During the vision, I attempted to read that book, but to no avail. I read the words, but couldn't understand it.
Being "un-churched" to a large degree, I had no knowledge if there even was such a book. I assumed that it must be in the Bible. I found it in the table of contents in a KJV Bible, and then read it for real.
In 1 Timothy 4:1, God spoke to me of the error of my ways.
I continued to read and found John chapter 3, and it was there and then that I repented and accepted Jesus as my Savior, and was born again by His Holy Spirit.
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All of the above is only a small part of my testimony
Of how God can save anyone all by themselves, through Him alone!
Earburner

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Saul was not saved that way. I’ve covered it in a few other post and don’t care to do it again. I’ll say again....anybody can claim anything they want but it doesn’t make it so. You can “testify” away but that has no bearing on ones salvation. I can claim I am saved but if it doesn’t line up with the word of God it is void. There is not one example of anybody being quite “saved” all by themselves in the entire NT.

Taken said:

"ALL ALONE" is the KEY element.
A PERSON becoming SAVED is NOT "ALL ALONE".

A Human person, MAY CERTAINLY, "NOT BE WITH other HUMAN Persons"....thus
"ALL ALONE" would MEAN...VOID of the company of "OTHER HUMAN Persons".

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Yes I am speaking of being with another human being. Not one person was ever “saved” without another person involved. Show me the example.

ONE example:

Matt 18
[20] For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

As soon AS "A" man, (NOT in the company of other Humans) CALLS on the Name of the Lord Jesus....The individual Human Man and the Lord Jesus ARE TWO gathered together IN Jesus' NAME.

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this is not an example of a person obeying the gospel and therefore receiving salvation being all alone and you know that. The context of your passage is dealing with brethren in the church. Read the previous 4,5 verses to receive the context. So, when he speaks of two or three gathering in his name he is talking about people who are already saved they are already children of God.

The Lord does NOT, and "A" man does NOT, require the Includsion or Participation or Notification or Authority of Another man, to Establish a Relationship BETWEEN;
An Individual man AND Thee Lord God Almighty.

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Of course he does. The lord specifically said...he that believes and is baptized shall be saved. You cannot baptize yourself. In another account of the same commission the Lord COMMANDED MEN to go preach and baptize. You CANNOT be saved all by yourself. You have no relationship with God without obedience to the gospel and that includes baptism.
Galatians 3:26-27 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (How)
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Do you want a relationship with Christ? Then you must be baptized into Christ in order to put on Christ. You cannot do that by yourself.

Human Men DO NOT Save Human men.
Man made Churches DO NOT save Human men.
Established Relationships between Human men DO NOT Save Human men.

Living HUMAN men Become SAVED exclusively BY the Power and Authority of Christ Jesus, and an Individual mans Choice to CALL ON thee Lord Jesus' Name;
The man "CALLING ON" the Lord, has Just Effected TWO, being Gathered Together.
To which Thee Lord Jesus THEN exercises His Power and Authority;
Which Results IN the Individual man RECEIVING Salvation.

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The phrase...calling on the name of the lord is found three times in the NT and its not in your source passage. I suggest you study all three and then come and tell me if people “called” all by themself with no human intervention.

Earburner said:

Baptism by water saves no one, but is a symbolic representation of the inward experience of God baptizing one with the Holy Spirit, which is that moment when both God the Father and God the Son take up permanent residence within the believer.

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You made that up. Where does the Bible EVER say baptism...”is a symbolic representation of the inward experience of God baptizing one with the Holy Spirit”
Baptism, in water, is how one obeys the gospel. The death burial and resurrection.
Rom 6.
When one is baptized they die to sin,(through repentance) are buried with Christ,(lowered into the water) and are raised (brought up out of the water) to walk in newness of life. Vs 4
Why “newness of life”? Because their sins have been washed away.vs 17,18. Acts 2:38,
ac 22:16
That is why Peter can say....
“Baptism doth also NOW SAVE US”
I would rather believe a divinely inspired, miracle working apostle rather then you.

Ezra said:

this is where we are failing ..
Proverbs 26:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

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Now you just have to decide who the fool is. I’m sure we all have our opinions.

Ezra said:

it amazes me how someone can form a doctrine out of acts chapter 10 Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
2 Corinthians 1:22 and he has identified us as his own by placing the Holy Spirit in our hearts as the first installment that guarantees everything he has promised us...

really no matter what we say/show in scripture they reject .

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Eph 1:13 does NOT say... you were “included in Christ” when you heard the message.
Eph 1:13 does NOT say you were marked in him with a seal “when you believed”.
I don’t know where you got that translation but it is false and needs to be thrown away.
When were those in Ephesus “sealed with the HS”? The text says....AFTER they believed. So, when did that happen?

Let’s look at the conversion account of the Ephesians..
Acts 19:1-6 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus:
This is Paul coming into Ephesus

and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?
Paul comes across people who he believes to be disciples and he asked a question.

And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized?
He knew something was wrong by their answer and he IMMEDIATELY questions their baptism. Why? Because one cannot be saved without the proper baptism. We know he is not talking about HS baptism because we find him giving them the HS in the next couple of verses.

And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
He realizes now they had been baptized, in water, with the wrong baptism. They did not have the proper understand that goes along with baptism into Christ.

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
So, after giving them the proper understanding he baptized them in water again. They are now saved. They are now “believers”.

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Then Paul, sealed the Ephesians with the HS through the laying on of his hands.
Show me where the Ephesians EVER received the Spirit directly without human hands?
A hint....it’s not in the Bible.
When you understand their conversion account you will understand what Paul means in his letter to this church. Were the Ephesians “saved” by themselves? No. They required human interaction.

Ezra said:

washing your sins away then explain this with out the SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SINS . you have just left out the Blood atonement and thus you have just took away from the word of God no water has ever cleansed us from sin no water has ever saved any one. baptis is a command not salvation..

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Of course the blood washes away our sins. You are exactly right.
Here’s the million dollar question......
WHEN DOES THAT HAPPEN?
Let’s let the Bible help us with that. Let’s not rely on your pastor, Billy Graham or some seminary professor.

The Bible clearly tells us WHAT washes our sins away...
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
This passage does not tell us WHEN that happens. We have to get more information.

The Bible also clearly tells us WHEN the blood washes our sins away.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
You can include acts 2:38 and rom 6:3-5,17,18 as further support

Ps 119:160 say that “the sum of thy word is truth”.
So, the sum of what we just studied shows us that the blood is applied to the believer when they come out of the waters of baptism. They work together in concert as planned by God.
Feel free to show me where the Bible teaches that sins are washed away by the blood at the point of belief.

Ezra said:

you seem to be doing a good job of claims

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You aren’t reading are you. I’m the only one on here who has said I have no testimony. I make no claims what so ever. I can point to book chapter and verse to show anybody how God saved me. God saved me in the same way he saved....
Those on Pentecost
The Samaritans
The Eunuch
Saul
Cornelius and his family
Lydia
Those in Philippi, Corinth, and Ephesus

The problem is you can’t say the same. They weren’t “saved” all by themselves just accepting Christ in their hearts and asking for forgiveness.

Ezra said:

lol i bet your favorite song is tiptoe through the tulips..as you are sidestepping every question

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I have no idea what you are talking about. Any reasonable person can go back and read my responses and tell that I spend wayyyy more time and effort to present my answers and respond to people’s questions than ANYBODY on this board. You don’t have to worry though, I won’t be here all that much longer.

ScottA said:

...Why on earth would you laugh? Is the subject of interaction with the Holy Spirit seem funny to you? Do you think this is a joke?

I witness the Holy Spirit daily.

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Yes it is. The things some of you people claim is very funny. You ever seen the Pentecostals running around jumping on and over pews? It’s pretty funny.
Ok. Give me a “witness”.