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the decision you made when you chose to undertake the standard Christian "salvation" checklist, sbg; essentially, "I sure dont wanna goto that pit, so i'm gonna do what these ppl are telling me to do, dunno about this evidence of speaking in tongues deal but if they say i gotta do that then i will by arg do that too i guess!"
You said I'm not saved.
1. I believe that God is good because I believe in the God of the bible.
hey, preach it if you like. Dont leave out how you imagine that you might go up to heaven after you have died tho k, even though Scripture tells us many diff ways that you will not. What does "religious" even mean, then? Indoctrinated, what is that?
It means that they were called but not chosen. Jesus said, "Many are called, but few are chosen." (Matthew 22:14) in His parable of the Great Feast. Humans are a stubborn and stiff-necked lot--they refuse to let God take away their hearts of stone and give them a heart of flesh. When God would change our hearts, He asks us to give up chasing after the world, fleshly satisfaction and especially the gratification of our pride--which is of the devil. Like the "rich young ruler" they turn their backs and walk away onto "the broad road that leads to destruction". It is the tragedy of all the ages of man.
I agree that John seemed, of all the Apostles, most concerned about the growing influence of gnosticism, as Gentiles flowed into the churches. There were (and are yet today) many different kinds of gnosticism. But whether they were gnosticis or just ordinary unbelievers, they "went out" because they were not truly converted to Christ.
All of Romans 11 is speaking of corporate salvation. Look at verse 27 and subsequent verses--particularly verse 32.
Where is that written? Does not God send the rain on the just and unjust? He is kind to all, but His greatest kindness to us has always been the sending of His Son to save us from the penalty of our sin.
Yes--Peter tells us that God wants all to come to repentance. But God insists that we come under His terms, not ours. That is apparently the only way that we can be chosen. In Matthew 13:11, Jesus actually told His disciples, in answer to the question of why He spoke in parables, that: "You are permitted to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven but others are not." In verses the following verses He explains that, for those who listen to His teaching, more understanding will be given and then He further explains that for "those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away". In verses, 14 and 15, He quotes Isaiah 6:9-10 and says that it is fulfilled in those Jews who are not listening to Him. He then begins a teaching on the Four Soils and those who "fall away" would be the second of the four. Those who are glad when they hear the message but because their roots are shallow, they wither as soon as they have problems or are persecuted for believing God's word. I believe that is what happened to my nephew when he went off to university. The persecution of Christians was always there in the universities but it has become much worse in recent decades. Professors will actually openly mock Christians today. How long will it be before the persecution gets even worse?
Paul couldn't but God knows. He knows all those He saves.
They have a type of believing but it is not real faith that abides. Real faith always abides. Some people speak of "seed faith" which is not the faith that abides. That is the "true faith" of which Paul writes in 1 Timothy 4:1. The other passages you cite are more of the same. In the Hebrews 6:4-6, they specifically reject Jesus as Savior (like my nephew who claims to be a "deist").
For those with true faith, no "maintenance" is necessary--the indwelling Holy Spirit keeps us in the faith. The Body of Christ has never developed a very comprehensive theology of the Holy Spirit. It is vital that we do so in these last days.
Usually, if someone is trusting in their works to save them (or to keep them saved), it is safe to say (based on the teaching of God's word) that they are not saved; since they are trusting, to save them, that which cannot save.
well, you fear for some amorphous other bunch, that are not you, yes? What is your fear, for them?
i thought you already met God, and had tea and everything?
yes, until you read some other Scripture, the ones you dont want to address, then it makes considerably less sense, trust me on that ok, or witness your own desire for me to disappear and stop bringing it up? lol
Hi GH,
Me too.It means that they were called but not chosen. Jesus said, "Many are called, but few are chosen." (Matthew 22:14) in His parable of the Great Feast. Humans are a stubborn and stiff-necked lot--they refuse to let God take away their hearts of stone and give them a heart of flesh. When God would change our hearts, He asks us to give up chasing after the world, fleshly satisfaction and especially the gratification of our pride--which is of the devil. Like the "rich young ruler" they turn their backs and walk away on the broad road. It is the tragedy of all the ages of man.
I agree that John seemed, of all the Apostles, most concerned about the growing influence of gnosticism, as Gentiles flowed into the churches. There were (and are yet today) many different kinds of gnosticism. But whether they were gnosticis or just ordinary unbelievers, they "went out" because they were not truly converted to Christ.
All of Romans 11 is speaking of corporate salvation. Look at verse 27 and subsequent verses--particularly verse 32.
Where is that written? Does not God send the rain on the just and unjust? He is kind to all, but His greatest kindness to us has always been the sending of His Son to save us from the penalty of our sin.
Yes--Peter tells us that God wants all to come to repentance. But God insists that we come under His terms, not ours. That is apparently the only way that we can be chosen. In Matthew 13:11, Jesus actually told His disciples, in answer to the question of why He spoke in parables, that: "You are permitted to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven but others are not." In verses the following verses He explains that, for those who listen to His teaching, more understanding will be given and then He further explains that for "those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away". In verses, 14 and 15, He quotes Isaiah 6:9-10 and says that it is fulfilled in those Jews who are not listening to Him. He then begins a teaching on the Four Soils and those who "fall away" would be the second of the four. Those who are glad when they hear the message but because their roots are shallow, they wither as soon as they have problems or are persecuted for believing God's word. I believe that is what happened to my nephew when he went off to university. The persecution of Christians was always there in the universities but it has become much worse in recent decades. Professors will actually openly mock Christians today. How long will it be before the persecution gets even worse?
Paul couldn't but God knows. He knows all those He saves.
They have a type of believing but it is not real faith that abides. Real faith always abides. Some people speak of "seed faith" which is not the faith that abides. That is the "true faith" of which Paul writes in 1 Timothy 4:1. The other passages you cite are more of the same. In the Hebrews 6:4-6, they specifically reject Jesus as Savior (like my nephew who claims to be a "deist").
For those with true faith, no "maintenance" is necessary--the indwelling Holy Spirit keeps us in the faith. The Body of Christ has never developed a very comprehensive theology of the Holy Spirit. It is vital that we do so in these last days.
I will have to continue with the rest of your post later as I need to go out now.
