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H. Richard

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2 Peter 3:15-17 NKJV
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation — as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

Twist #1. That Jesus came to both the Jews and the Gentiles; Jesus told us who He came to in two places,
Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the
Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Twist #2. That Peter was preaching to both the Jews and the Gentiles on the day of Pentecost and what he said about repenting and being baptized is the formula to be used for salvation. (What were they to repent of?) see a. below
a. He was addressing the Jews who had their Messiah and King killed.
b. It is obvious that Peter was not addressing the Gentiles since at that time he did not know the Gentile were to be included. It was revealed to Peter some years later.

Twist #3. That the Apostles were teaching the same gospel as Paul.
a. Obvious they were not. That is why the 12 Apostles wanted to meet with Paul in Acts 15.
b. Peter preached to the Jews who were under the Law of Moses.
c. Paul preached to the Gentiles who were never under the law of Moses.
d. As late as Acts 21 the Jews were still saying they were under the Judaic laws and they were mad at Paul for saying the Jews no longer had to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses. So much for the Jewish apostles teaching the same thing as Paul. It took a long time for Peter to acknowledge that Paul’s writing were scripture.

Twist #4. That Cornelius was saved under grace.
a. Peter told Cornelius that Jesus was from God and was sent by God the Father..
b. Cornelius believed Jesus was the Jew’s Messiah and King. He believed in Jesus and was saved..



Twist #5. That a person has to ignore what Paul said and only believe what Jesus said in the 4 gospels. If they don’t they are saying Paul is greater that Jesus.
a, Jesus was sent to the Jews who rejected Him so God has set them aside for a time.
b. Since the Jews rejected Jesus, He gave the gospel of grace to Paul for the whole world.
c. Under grace God has instituted a gospel where God (Jesus) Him self did for mankind what mankind could not do. He paid for the sins of the whole world.
d. But the religious will not believe c. and continue to say that mankind will be judged for their sins of the flesh in spite of the fact that God has already paid for them.

Twist #6. That James and Paul are teaching the same thing. In spite of the fact that what James taught was for the Jews only. See James 1:1

Twist #7. That the gospel of grace was instituted in the O.T and was not a mystery hidden in God. They refuse to believe it was hidden in God so that makes Paul a liar.
a. According to the religious the only thing hidden was that the Gentiles would be included. This is false because in the Abrahamic covenant the Gentiles would (in the future) be saved through the Jews.
b. No where in the 4 gospels is it mentioned that the Gentiles would be saved outside of the Mosaic laws.
c. No where in the 4 gospel is it said that Jesus’ shed blood would be the only way to God.
d. Because it was in the hidden gospel given to Paul.

There are many more things that have been twisted but I am aware that most will ignore the obvious and just try and ostracize me. If they have the word YOU in a reply I will not respond because all they will want to do is argue.

It can certainly be seen that Peter though Paul’s writing were hard to understand. That is because of the things he was taught under the Law of Moses. It is hard for the religious today because of what they have been taught. The religious should pay attention to what Peter wrote and stop trying to put Paul’s writing out in left field.
 

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IT IS IRONICAL THAT THE GUY WHO TWISTS SCRIPTURE IS COMPLAINING!
Twist #1. That Jesus came to both the Jews and the Gentiles
NOT A TWIST BUT THE TRUTH.
Jesus did come to save both Jews and Gentiles.
SIMEON IN THE TEMPLE
(LUKE 2)
29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
[JESUS]
31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; [ALL PEOPLE = ALL HUMANITY]
32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. [ALL PEOPLE = THE GENTILES + ISRAEL]
Twist #2. That Peter was preaching to both the Jews and the Gentiles on the day of Pentecost...
FALSE. No one in their right mind makes this assertion. Only the Jews were gathered in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.
Twist #3. That the Apostles were teaching the same gospel as Paul.
NOT A TWIST BUT THE TRUTH.
It could not be other wise. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOSPEL FOR ALL.
Twist #4. That Cornelius was saved under grace.
NOT A TWIST BUT THE TRUTH.
It could not be other wise. ALL ARE SAVED UNDER GRACE AND BY GRACE.

Twist #5. That a person has to ignore what Paul said and only believe what Jesus said in the 4 gospels.
FALSE. No one in their right mind makes this assertion. And what Jesus said in the Gospels cannot contradict what Paul preached.
Twist #6. That James and Paul are teaching the same thing.
NOT A TWIST BUT THE TRUTH.
It could not be other wise. ALL THE NT WRITERS ARE IN PERFECT HARMONY.

[QUOTE="H. Richard, post: 587636, member: 6940"] Twist #7. That the gospel of grace was instituted in the O.T and was not a mystery hidden in God.[/QUOTE]
NOT A TWIST BUT THE TRUTH.
It could not be other wise. ONLY THE CHURCH (JEW AND GENTILE IN ONE BODY) WAS A MYSTERY HIDDEN IN THE OT.

Mr. Richard, you are so far off base there is little hope of putting you back on track. But your nonsense cannot be left unaddressed.
 

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He is promoting the idea of two Gospels and conflict between Paul's teachings and those of the apostles. That affects essential doctrines.
Since Paul is the primary teacher concerning doctrine, I don't see how that is so.

John, James, and Peter, I find more to be exhorters than anything else. But they don't really touch on doctrine very much.

Paul is the doctrinal hero of the bunch.
 

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Twist #2. That Peter was preaching to both the Jews and the Gentiles on the day of Pentecost and what he said about repenting and being baptized is the formula to be used for salvation. (What were they to repent of?) see a. below
a. He was addressing the Jews who had their Messiah and King killed.
b. It is obvious that Peter was not addressing the Gentiles since at that time he did not know the Gentile were to be included. It was revealed to Peter some years later.

Well, yeah. He was addressing Jews as it was the Feast of Shavuot in Jerusalem, one of the feasts that were required attendance in the Torah. Most Gentiles would not have anything to do with that.

Twist #7. That the gospel of grace was instituted in the O.T and was not a mystery hidden in God. They refuse to believe it was hidden in God so that makes Paul a liar.
a. According to the religious the only thing hidden was that the Gentiles would be included. This is false because in the Abrahamic covenant the Gentiles would (in the future) be saved through the Jews.
b. No where in the 4 gospels is it mentioned that the Gentiles would be saved outside of the Mosaic laws.
c. No where in the 4 gospel is it said that Jesus’ shed blood would be the only way to God.
d. Because it was in the hidden gospel given to Paul.

Except that one may be unaware that the complete Christian Gospel message is laid out in Genesis 5, via the meaning of the names in the lineage from Adam to Noah. The Gospel of grace spelled out for all mankind, not just the Hebrews. And it is very clear that the death of the Mighty God (Yeshua) would be the redemption. So counter to your assertion, it was not only given to Paul. The redemption of all mankind via the death and shed blood of Messiah was established from the very beginning.

Adam = Man
Seth = Appointed
Enosh = mortal, frail, incurable
Kenan = sorrow, dirge
Mahalalel = Blessed God
Jared = Shall Come Down
Enoch = Teaching or commencement
Methuselah = His Death Shall Bring
Lamech = despair, lament or lamentation
Noah = comfort or relief

Now those meanings laid end to end, in order with some grammatical improvement......

Man is appointed mortal sorrow. The Blessed God shall come down teaching that His death shall bring the despairing comfort.

It supports the idea that the NT is in the OT concealed, the OT is in the NT revealed.
 

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Well, yeah. He was addressing Jews as it was the Feast of Shavuot in Jerusalem, one of the feasts that were required attendance in the Torah. Most Gentiles would not have anything to do with that.



Except that one may be unaware that the complete Christian Gospel message is laid out in Genesis 5, via the meaning of the names in the lineage from Adam to Noah. The Gospel of grace spelled out for all mankind, not just the Hebrews. And it is very clear that the death of the Mighty God (Yeshua) would be the redemption. So counter to your assertion, it was not only given to Paul. The redemption of all mankind via the death and shed blood of Messiah was established from the very beginning.

Please explain. Are you saying that the following scriptures are in error?

Eph 3:9-10
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
NKJV

Col 1:26-27
6 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
NKJV
 

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Please explain. Are you saying that the following scriptures are in error?

Eph 3:9-10
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
NKJV

Col 1:26-27
6 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
NKJV

No scripture is in error. But how a passage is viewed in the light of other scripture may be in error. One must avoid cherry picking verses out of context in an attempt to make a point.

The entire Christian Gospel is laid out in the names of the genealogy of Adam to Noah. No escaping that. It is expounding on Genesis 3:15. Just like Enoch preached about the redeemed coming with Yeshua.... a few hundred years before the flood of Noah. Just ask Jude when you see him. He gave us the insight into what Enoch preached. Jude 1:14-15

The entire plan was laid out from before the foundation of the world. From the time long before there was a defined Hebrew people. Therefore it was intended for all mankind from the beginning.... both Jew and Gentile.
 

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One must avoid cherry picking verses

I beg to differ. Every cherry contains a seed that can be planted in the heart; which will grow into cherry tree that produces more cherries.

By their fruits you shall know them; and I would contend that cherries are a good fruit type.