When is a christian NOT a Christian?

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marks

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You should have learned by now that bbyrd009 has his own WEIRD ideas about Christianity and Christians. He calls them "Mithraists" and Christianity is "Mithraism". So it is all just a big joke for him, and in effect he is constantly mocking Christ and Christians. Here is what Mithraism is all about:

'Because of the lack of written sources, little is known about the beliefs of Mithraism. But they clearly centered on the god Mithras, who was based on the pre-Zoroastrian Persian god Mithra. Mithra was the most important god in Persian polytheism.

The Persian Mithras was a god of contracts (which is the literal meaning of his name) and all things associated with contracts: justice, friendship, cattle-herding and the sun (which beholds all things and thus can ensure the keeping of oaths). Zoroaster (6th century BC) specifically denounced the sacrifice of the bull, suggesting this was a ceremony of the ancient worshippers of Mithras.

In a Roman context, Mithras was a sun god (called sol invictus, "the invincible sun"), a "bull-slayer," "cattle-thief" and the savior of initiates of his cult. He was probably also the god of kings and of war (which explains the religion's popularity among soldiers).'

Mithraism

So all I am saying is DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

Hi Enoch, thank you, and I do understand that.

much love!
 

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I just wish we could all just ignore those people on here who discourage rather than encourage. The ones who are so determined to pull down rather than build up. The ones who are critical and judgemental etc . . .
 

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I just wish we could all just ignore those people on here who discourage rather than encourage. The ones who are so determined to pull down rather than build up. The ones who are critical and judgemental etc . . .

I still have one on ignore ...but if we just 'ignored' every negative thing...that would mean that there is not opportunity to balance it...as I said earlier...you had a nasty post which you did not see as you have the person on ignore. So it went unchallenged...if there is never any challenge then the person is deluded into believing that those kind of posts are acceptable.

So I see the ignore has it's good and bad sides right?
I'm watching your back... :)
 
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JW sincerely believe that they are the true Christians and all the others are false.

So do United Pentecostals.
Unless you believe like they do, you are not a Christian.
Which means, you MUST be speaking in tongues, you MUST be water baptised.

Simple belief in Christ as the Son of God and Saviour is all that is required....

I agree. I.o.w. you must be born again.

Simple isn't it?
 
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Helen

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So do United Pentecostals.
Unless you believe like they do, you are not a Christian.
Which means, you MUST be speaking in tongues, you MUST be water baptised.


Really?
I never knew that...back in England I was in a Pentecostal church for years...and I never heard that taught ....but who cares, it is not even biblical.

I knew lots of people who attended who were wonderful christians and walked the walk but many never, spoke in tongues. I got baptised in the Spirit there , and also did and do, speak in tongues. Most if not all were water baptised, but never as a requirement for salvation.

BTW SORRY, I forgot to tag you in post number #2 ..my bad :oops: xx
 

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So do United Pentecostals.
There is a world of difference between Jehovah's Witnesses (a cult who reject the deity of Christ and the Trinity) and the United Pentecostals (who uphold both those doctrines and believe what all conservative Christians believe about God). This is the key doctrine which separates Christians from those who claim to be Christians (see the 2nd epistle of John).

UNITED PENTECOSTAL BELIEFS
About God
There is one God, who has revealed Himself as our Father, in His Son Jesus Christ, and as the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is God manifested in flesh. He is both God and man. (See Deuteronomy 6:4; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 2:9; I Timothy 3:16.)

Our Beliefs | United Pentecostal Church International | UPCI
 
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Really?
I never knew that...back in England I was in a Pentecostal church for years...and I never heard that taught ....but who cares, it is not even biblical.

I knew lots of people who attended who were wonderful christians and walked the walk but many never, spoke in tongues. I got baptised in the Spirit there , and also did and do, speak in tongues. Most if not all were water baptised, but never as a requirement for salvation.

BTW SORRY, I forgot to tag you in post number #2 ..my bad :oops: xx
Only time I heard that someone spoke in tongues was when they’re possessed.

I don’t believe in the speaking in tongues is this true?
 
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I still have one on ignore ...but if we just 'ignored' every negative thing...that would mean that there is not opportunity to balance it...as I said earlier...you had a nasty post which you did not see as you have the person on ignore. So it went unchallenged...if there is never any challenge then the person is deluded into believing that those kind of posts are acceptable.

So I see the ignore has it's good and bad sides right?
I'm watching you back... :)
I didn't mean to put them on 'ignore' but rather to refuse to be drawn into discussing their negative responses. I don't see that those sort of posts 'balance' anything. Just saying.
 
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... I don’t believe in the speaking in tongues is this true?

?The "believe" part, or the "speaking" part?!? ;)

Yeah, the "speaking" part is true:

Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

1 Cor. 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 On the other hand, he who prophesies speaks to men for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified.

1 Cor. 14:18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than you all; 19 nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind, in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

1 Cor. 14:26 What then, brethren? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God.

... among others! :)


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Thanks for That Bobby Jo, I guess u have watched the Exorcist once too many times.
 

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what does darkness have to do with light?

This is a deep statement...no kidding bro. One that is taken too lightly today.....pun intended :D

Abraham was glad to 'see' or believe in Yahshua's Day as one of the promises of YHWH. The Light (Day) finally arrived with the birth of the perfect human bearer of this light of YHWH, the Father. He was born to shine his Father's light into the darkness of this fallen world. The true darkness as always, split and hid. The same is true of people today. They think they believe in the light although their hearts are hiding in the darkness, faking they are believers of the light. They are mental believers - lukewarm. They never made the deep personal commitment to the Light. They would rather hide and be part of a group that thinks as they do, covered together in the same commune spiritual security blanket.

Bless you,

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No one needs to tell anyone else that they are not a Christian. But if one comes to your door (or to a Christian forum) and tries to convince you that Jesus is NOT God, he or she is telling you that they are not really Christians. Here's an example from the Jehovah's Witnesses website:

Is Jesus Almighty God?

The Bible’s answer
Jesus’ opposers accused him of making himself equal to God. (John 5:18; 10:30-33) However, Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28.

Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? —Philippians 2:9.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-jesus-almighty/

Enoch, It may not be perfect scripture interpretation or representation although its intent and message is scriptural and clear IMO - that Yahshua has a Father, his God, and also the same as mine. So what is your concern about what these JWs presented? Break your concern down, and we can discuss it if you desire.

Bless you,

APAK
 
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Only time I heard that someone spoke in tongues was when they’re possessed.

I don’t believe in the speaking in tongues is this true?

That is somewhat off topic on 'this' thread.
But if you hunt through the old threads there are quite a few discussion about this.

Just because you 'don't believe' that speaking in tongues is valid...does not change anything. You are free to believe or not believe what you like.

But tongues is usually a hot potato topic and not for this thread. It is not up for discussion 'here'. :)

Bless you Helen
 

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That is somewhat off topic on 'this' thread.
But if you hunt through the old threads there are quite a few discussion about this.

Just because you 'don't believe' that speaking in tongues is valid...does not change anything. You are free to believe or not believe what you like.

But tongues is usually a hot potato topic and not for this thread. It is not up for discussion 'here'. :)

Bless you Helen
Sorry Helen, I’m new to speaking tongues, I shouldn’t say I don’t believe, those were the wrong words, my Catholic upbringing taught against it, or never taught me anything about it, I’m learning a lot of new things on here.

God bless you Helen.
 

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Even when they are challenged!

Some will defend to the teeth their right to beat the fellowservants.

:-(

True, but at least it give visiting readers both side of the issue at hand right.

The 'challenge' doesn't have to be in the same spirit as the unpleasant post...but when it sadly is...it is no longer a challenge but an argument!!
( which usually goes around and around and around...as we have seen on some of these long endless threads. :rolleyes: )
 
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Thanks for That Bobby Jo, I guess u have watched the Exorcist once too many times.

Heard about it, but never watched it, and don't care to watch it. But ALL denominations have some false doctrines, and slandering a Scriptural aspect is certainly within that domain. :)


Bobby Jo


Now back to the program! (And who ever thought up the concept is a GENIUS.) ;)
 

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Sorry Helen, I’m new to speaking tongues, I shouldn’t say I don’t believe, those were the wrong words, my Catholic upbringing taught against it, or never taught me anything about it, I’m learning a lot of new things on here.

God bless you Helen.

What you 'heard' was obviously very biased....No worries. :)

( BTW ...in my time I have known some wonderful Charismatic Catholics , = Spirit filled and speakers in tongues. )
 
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Heard about it, but never watched it, and don't care to watch it. But ALL denominations have some false doctrines, and slandering a Scriptural aspect is certainly within that domain. :)


Bobby Jo


Now back to the program! (And who ever thought up the concept is a GENIUS.) ;)
That was a typo I meant I watched it too many times not you.
 
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True, but at least it give visiting readers both side of the issue at hand right.

The 'challenge' doesn't have to be in the same spirit as the unpleasant post...but when it sadly is...it is no longer a challenge but an argument!!
( which usually goes around and around and around...as we have seen on some of these long endless threads. :rolleyes: )

If only it could be presented in a spirit of love.

Much love!
 
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