Please explain this.

Grailhunter · Jul 17, 2019

@marks @GodsGrace @Lady Crosstalk @"ByGrace"
If you notice that people that preach this you are a dirty rag sinners thing….Go in circles with the scriptures that discuss that we cannot sin and then scriptures that speak of sinning. Watch closely, it is back and forth, even in their own heads. And it is because they cannot figure it out themselves. Be confident of your salvation. God would not have sent His Son to be crucified for us, to setup a system of dirty rag sinners. He had that before He started. People get into this thing that Christ was not good enough or powerful enough to take away the sins of the world. But He did just that…The mistakes you make are between you and Christ, and he is the only person you need to answer too. You are not dirty rags of sin in His sight. Your salvation is not in jeopardy. You are part of the family of God. Wrongs we do, but still white before Christ. They cannot figure it out, because they do not understand. Do that walk with Christ and He will have your back. Stop fighting the scriptures and use that focus on how to apply Christianity to your life. The son that takes up the profession of the Father and walks with Him will have a closer relationship

marks · Jul 17, 2019

justbyfaith said:
How then can we be righteous?...

Perhaps in admitting that I am the chief of sinners, I am confessing my sin before God and man; and then He is faihtful and just to cleanse me from all unrighteousness through the confession; which avails as long as it is in effect: which means that a perpetual confession that I am a sinner (even the chief of them) is the safest bet.

Hi JBF,

Jesus said that truth shall set us free, and then we would be free indeed!

We are a new creation in Christ
There is no condemnation
We are created holy and righteous
He will never leave us or forsake us
We can always come boldly to His throne of grace to find help
We are dead to the law
We are dead to the world
We are crucifed to the flesh
The flesh is rendered powerless
We are under no obligation to the flesh

These are some of those liberating truths, all directly in Scripture. Given more time I will be happy, very happy to add more!

Much love!

marks · Jul 17, 2019

Grailhunter said:
God would not have sent His Son to be crucified for us, to setup a system of dirty rag sinners. He had that before He started.

Very succinct!

Grailhunter said:
People get into this thing that Christ was not good enough or powerful enough to take away the sins of the world. But He did just that…The mistakes you make are between you and Christ, and he is the only person you need to answer too.

The joy of sonship! As in, we are the children of God, all of us.

Joy unending!

Much love!

justbyfaith · Jul 17, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Uh-no. I just used another translation.

Would you care to tell us which one?

Grailhunter said:
You are not dirty rags of sin in His sight.

That depends. Are you trusting in your works to save you? Those kinds of things are indeed filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6).

Are you putting your trust in Christ and what He did for you on the Cross, and are you abiding in Him? Those kinds of things are fine linen (Revelation 19:8 (kjv)).

Grailhunter said:
Your salvation is not in jeopardy. You are part of the family of God.

You cannot say that to everyone here across the board. There may be someone reading to whom the statements do not apply; and you would be giving them a false assurance.

The only assurance that even counts is that which is spoken of in Romans 8:16.

It is sometimes even the job of the true minister to strip away false assurances so that the person can put their hope in that which really and truly does save.

marks said:
Hi JBF,

Jesus said that truth shall set us free, and then we would be free indeed!

We are a new creation in Christ
There is no condemnation
We are created holy and righteous
He will never leave us or forsake us
We can always come boldly to His throne of grace to find help
We are dead to the law
We are dead to the world
We are crucifed to the flesh
The flesh is rendered powerless
We are under no obligation to the flesh

These are some of those liberating truths, all directly in Scripture. Given more time I will be happy, very happy to add more!

Much love!

Amen, all of those things are excellent. I would love it if you would add more to that list.

Grailhunter · Jul 17, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Would you care to tell us which one?

That depends. Are you trusting in your works to save you? Those kinds of things are indeed filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6).

Are you putting your trust in Christ and what He did for you on the Cross, and are you abiding in Him? Those kinds of things are fine linen (Revelation 19:8 (kjv)).

You cannot say that to everyone here across the board. There may be someone reading to whom the statements do not apply; and you would be giving them a false assurance.

The only assurance that even counts is that which is spoken of in Romans 8:16.

It is sometimes even the job of the true minister to strip away false assurances so that the person can put their hope in that which really and truly saves.

Amen, all of those things are excellent. I would love it if you would add more to that list.

And the insanity continues!

marks · Jul 17, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Amen, all of those things are excellent. I would love it if you would add more to that list.

Do you believe them?

Much love!

justbyfaith · Jul 17, 2019

Grailhunter said:
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And the insanity continues!

Now you're showing your true colors.

Because you're wearing filthy rags

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justbyfaith · Jul 17, 2019

marks said:
Do you believe them?

Much love!

Most definitely.

Of course, I also am not sure what to do with 1 Timothy 1:15 in light of them.

Lady Crosstalk · Jul 17, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Would you care to tell us which one?

Let's play a game--you tell me which one it is. It is easy to find out--just put the book, chapter and verse into something like Bible Hub and it will give you the passage in all the different translations at the top of the list and then moves down through the paraphrases. I'll give you a hint--it IS a true translation. AND COULD YOU PLEASE LEARN TO USE THE QUOTE FUNCTION PROPERLY?! I'm going to put you on "ignore" if you don't because your responses are too time-consuming to answer.

justbyfaith · Jul 17, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
AND COULD YOU PLEASE LEARN TO USE THE QUOTE FUNCTION PROPERLY?!

I'm using it properly. But I think that you have used it improperly, or failed to use it at all, on some occasions.

Lady Crosstalk · Jul 17, 2019

justbyfaith said:
I'm using it properly.

No--you are not. You cut out so much that it is difficult to decipher what you are saying. I thought you said you had the gift of teaching. Our God is not a God of confusion.

justbyfaith · Jul 17, 2019

Grailhunter said:
And the insanity continues!

Tell me what was insane about what you were just responding to.

It appears to me that you were attributing insanity to the sound doctrines of the Bible.

justbyfaith · Jul 17, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
No--you are not. You cut out so much that it is difficult to decipher what you are saying. I thought you said you had the gift of teaching. Our God is not a God of confusion.

You know, there is a little, invisible button, just to the right of a person's name in a quote, that you can click on to go back to the post that it was quoted from. It makes it easier to follow the trail.

I also normally only quote the meat of what I am responding to, so that people will not be confused by the surrounding information.

Helen · Jul 17, 2019

justbyfaith said:
putting your trust in Christ and what He did for you on the Cross, and are you abiding in Him? Those kinds of things are fine linen (Revelation 19:8 (kjv)).

Ummm isn't that what Grailhunter just said in his post?

And:-
he also said-

Your salvation is not in jeopardy. You are part of the family of God.

and you said :-

You cannot say that to everyone here across the board. There may be someone reading to whom the statements do not apply; and you would be giving them a false assurance.

He tagged who he was saying it to at the top of his post. 4 people.
But it does apply to all believers .

BTW I thought you were a OSAS ...have you changed horses?

I think that because you have been under attack so often (mostly by the calvinists) you seem to be in 'that mode'... We are all on the same side...just standing at different positions , in the same room.

This is the Good News:- " But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5 KJV

Blessings ...Helen

Grailhunter · Jul 17, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Tell me what was insane about what you were just responding to.

It appears to me that you were attributing insanity to the sound doctrines of the Bible.

You cannot say that to everyone here across the board. Oh my! you want me to save some victims for you?

Lady Crosstalk · Jul 17, 2019

justbyfaith said:
I'm using it properly. But I think that you have used it improperly, or failed to use it at all, on some occasions.

Are you being deliberately antagonistic? No one has ever told me that they thought that I have used it improperly. Occasionally, I don't use it at all but rarely--and unlikely that I would fail to do so with you. I am not the only one who has a problem with your posts in that way.

marks · Jul 17, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Most definitely.

Of course, I also am not sure what to do with 1 Timothy 1:15 in light of them.

You make a good point. How can you be chief of sinners . . . when the Apostle, commissioned and taught by Jesus Himself, already took that to himself?

Seriously tho' . . .

Paul was chosen for his part to show God's mercy to the chief of sinners, persecuting the fledgling church.

12 I thank him that enabled me, [even] Christ Jesus our Lord, for that he counted me faithful, appointing me to [his] service; 13 though I was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: howbeit I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief; 14 and the grace of our Lord abounded exceedingly with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16 howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

Was Paul saying that as an Apostle, there was no sinner worse then himself? Or was he saying that the things he did were worse than what anyone else had done?

If Paul here is saying he is the worst of all sinners, where is the power of the Gospel?

Much love!

justbyfaith · Jul 17, 2019

"ByGrace" said:
He tagged who he was saying it to at the top of his post. 4 people.

Sorry, I didn't notice that. And there may have been some others who wouldn't have noticed it either.

"ByGrace" said:
But it does apply to all believers .

Yes, though not to everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord", Matthew 7:21-23.

Grailhunter said:
You cannot say that to everyone here across the board. Oh my! you want me to save some victims for you?

Do you honestly think that the only people looking on are the ones who are responding? there may be webcrawlers who are simply interested in the doctrines of Christianity...who may not yet be saved. To tell them that they are would be to give them a false assurance.

But, my bad...I didn't notice that you had tagged certain people at the top of your post. Though I have doubts about the salvation of @GodsGrace (for that she believes that her salvation is maintained by works, which is unbiblical), @Lady Crosstalk (over her opposition to me, John 15:20, 1 John 4:5-6), and even @"ByGrace" (for that she has appeared to believe in Universalism in previous conversations) the Holy Spirit bears witness with their spirit as to whether they are saved or not, in their own hearts.

Lady Crosstalk said:
No one has ever told me that they thought that I have used it improperly.

Well, now someone has.

Helen · Jul 17, 2019

justbyfaith said:
You changed the wording in that scripture...and that can't be good.

Oh come on...did nobody tell you that the original was not written in English.
MUCH of the wording has been changed....

The bible we hold in our hand contains the full essence of God's heart to us.
Don't fret, even thought much was probably lost in translation, and by the biases of those given the task of writing it out longhand..." oh I don't think God meant that, I will just say it a bit plainer..."...and thus a tweak here and a tweak there.... ) God is well able to convey all His thoughts to us.

Take a breath bro

justbyfaith · Jul 17, 2019

marks said:
If Paul here is saying he is the worst of all sinners, where is the power of the Gospel?

Was not Paul here saying that it is a trustworthy saying for all of us that "I am the chief of sinners"?

Please explain this.

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