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When people wait to take their chances at the great white throne event
depicted at Rev 20:11-15, in all likelihood they will end up like a foundry
worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

That can be easily avoided by opting to become a joint participant in Christ's
crucifixion.

Rom 6:3 . .Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into
Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

Rom 6:4 . .We have been buried with him through baptism into death, in
order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the
Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

Rom 6:5 . .Knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him

Rom 6:8 . . Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live
with him.

Col 3:3 . . For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
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When people wait to take their chances at the great white throne event
depicted at Rev 20:11-15, in all likelihood they will end up like a foundry
worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

That can be easily avoided by opting to become a joint participant in Christ's
crucifixion.

Rom 6:3 . .Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into
Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

Rom 6:4 . .We have been buried with him through baptism into death, in
order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the
Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

Rom 6:5 . .Knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him

Rom 6:8 . . Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live
with him.

Col 3:3 . . For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
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Hi, many blessings.

May this truth of our deaths in Christ that you are putting forth.

May each and every day, we might come to know this truth, by experience, in a deeper and deeper way.

Much love in Christ, Not me
 
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When people wait to take their chances at the great white throne event
depicted at Rev 20:11-15, in all likelihood they will end up like a foundry
worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.


As was stated in post No.1, such a fate can be easily avoided by opting to become
a joint participant (a.k.a. joint principal) in Christ's crucifixion.

Rom 6:3 . .Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into
Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?


FAQ: How?

A: This is accomplished by means of a special, supernatural initiation
process.

1Cor 12:13 . . For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether
we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all
made to drink into one Spirit.

There are two baptisms in Christianity-- one with water, and one with the
Spirit. Needless to say; when the chips are down, the Spirit baptism as per
1Cor 12:13 is the only baptism that really matters.

Eph 4:4-5 . .There is one body, one Spirit, and one baptism.


FAQ: Can people obtain this Spirit baptism by means of a church service?

A: Nobody in church can do this; not even the senior pastor. Everyone has
to personally contact Jesus Christ on their own for this particular baptism.

John 4:10-14 . . If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you
"Give Me a drink" you would have asked him, and He would have given you
living water.

. . .She said to him: "Sir, You have nothing to draw with and the well is
deep; where then do You get that living water? You are not greater than our
father Jacob, are you, who gave us the well, and drank of it himself, and his
sons, and his cattle?"

Jesus answered and said to her: "Everyone who drinks of this water shall
thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall
never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a well of
water springing up to eternal life."

John 7:37-39 . .If any man is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. He who
believes in me as the Scripture says; from his innermost being shall flow
rivers of living water. But this he spoke of the Spirit, whom those who
believed in him were to receive.

In John 4:10-14, Jesus instructed the woman to ask of him. In John 7:37-39
he instructed the people to come to him. It's up to each individual to take
the initiative to do what says: come to him and ask of him.
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When people wait to take their chances at the great white throne event
depicted at Rev 20:11-15, in all likelihood they will end up like a foundry
worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

That can be easily avoided by opting to become a joint participant in Christ's
crucifixion.

Rom 6:3 . .Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into
Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

Rom 6:4 . .We have been buried with him through baptism into death, in
order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the
Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

Rom 6:5 . .Knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him

Rom 6:8 . . Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live
with him.

Col 3:3 . . For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
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My brother used to have a CD by a band called "Acid Bath". I think a molten metal bath might be less painless.
 
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There are two baptisms in Christianity

That is not a biblical statement. According to Ephesians 4:4, there is one baptism.

This means that baptism in water and baptism in the Spirit are intertwined to the point of being one.

See Acts 2:38-39, Acts 22:16.
 

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baptism in water and baptism in the Spirit are intertwined to the point of
being one.

Don't be foolhardy justbyfaith. You can have your baptismal rite; I have no
interest in taking that away from you. But just to be on the safe side I highly
recommend following Christ's instructions to come to him and to speak with
him one-on-one about obtaining both the Spirit and the water that he spoke
about in John 4:10-14 and John 7:37-39.
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The water that He spoke of in those verses is the Holy Spirit.

And therefore they are not two separate things.

baptismal water is physical water, however; and the Lord has ordained that the promise of the Spirit is absolutely given when a man submits to the physical waters of baptism in Jesus' Name.

It is not the water that saves; rather it is the identification with the name of Jesus Christ along with His death, burial, and resurrection.

Mat 10:32, Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Luk 12:8, Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
 

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FAQ: Why do you believe that what Paul wrote about participation in Christ's
crucifixion applies to you?


A: That's a fair question; and deserves a straight answer.

Most Christians like to think of themselves as reasonable people. But at the
same time they must admit that there are supernatural components of
Christianity so absurd and so contrary to common sense that it takes a leap
of faith to accept them.

A leap of faith can be defined as the act of believing in something without, or
in spite of, available empirical evidence.

Christians are fond of using the Bible as empirical evidence to prove that the
supernatural components of their religion are true. But that method is
unacceptable because quoting the Bible's sayings to prove that the Bible's
sayings are true is what's known as circular reasoning, which is tantamount
to a judge dismissing all charges against a defendant merely on the basis of
him saying he didn't do it.

Anyway, to answer the question: Paul wrote his letters to Christians. Well; I
sincerely believe myself a Christian; so, by association, I believe Paul's
teachings about joint participation in Christ's crucifixion apply to me as well
as the Christians to whom he originally penned his letters.
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FAQ: Just how extensive is this "joint participation" thing you're talking
about?


A: Christ's crucifixion was for the purpose of vindicating the justice system
of a very legal-minded God.

Isa 53:6 . . All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to
his own way; but The Lord has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him.

(From here on in I'll just give the broad strokes without quoting Scripture.)

Well then, if it's true that God caused my iniquity to fall on Jesus' shoulders,
then as a joint principal in his crucifixion, I've paid my debts to the law of
God, i.e. I've given the law of God its pound of flesh, so to speak. There's a
very important upside to this.

Jesus went to the cross for me not just up to the point when I first believed
in the purpose of his crucifixion, but from then on too. In other words, my
entire life was nailed up there with him from first to last; which is at least
one of the reasons why the Bible urges me to reckon myself deceased.

Now, I am not only a joint principal in Christ's crucifixion, but also a joint
principal in his burial and his resurrection. So while I am supposed to reckon
myself deceased, I'm also supposed to reckon myself resurrected.

That's good because Jesus rose from the dead with immortality. So then,
since I am a joint principal in his resurrection, then I'm supposed to
reckoned myself immortal, i.e. my immortality is a lock, viz: I can't lose my
immortality with any more ease than Jesus can lose his.

Christ also rose from the dead without sin, so then, as a joint principal in his
resurrection, I'm supposed to reckon myself risen from the dead without sin.

There's more

Jesus is never again going to face death for iniquity. So then as his joint
principal, I too will never again have to face death for iniquity.

What can we conclude from all the above? Well; if all the above is true, then
I think it's pretty obvious that we may safely conclude that Jesus' joint
principals have heaven in the bag.

It gets better.

Jesus Christ is God's firstborn son; ergo; Jesus is God's primary heir.
Incredible as it may seem; joint principals in Jesus' crucifixion and
resurrection are also joint heirs with him in God's estate.

A joint heir is much better than off than a simple heir because joint heirs
inherit the entire estate as if they were all together one heir.
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If anyone has any doubt about whether they have received the Holy Spirit, it will remove all doubt when they are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. A heavenly, absolute promise is attached to that action, that God shall give you the Holy Ghost.

Ask, seek, knock. Luke 11:9-13.
 

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But that method is
unacceptable because quoting the Bible's sayings to prove that the Bible's
sayings are true is what's known as circular reasoning, which is tantamount
to a judge dismissing all charges against a defendant merely on the basis of
him saying he didn't do it.
I think that the point that I would make to that is that the Bible at almost every level requires faith of the ones who would adhere to its teachings; and therefore when it makes the claim to be inspired (cf. 2 Timothy 3:16-17), the response is not one of looking at all of the facts (although the facts do support that the Bible is the word of the Lord); but one of faith.

Call it circular reasoning if you wish; but it is clear to me that the Bible calls for a response of faith to the claims that it makes for itself as well as the concepts of eternal/everlasting life.

You can either believe it or not believe it: that is your choice.

Of course, realize also that the Bible claims that unbelief will result in condemnation.

Some take this to be a threat: I simply consider that God requires faith of His people and that those who do not have faith will not live the life that they would need to live in order to be accepted into the kingdom.

Because faith or unbelief is an issue of the will; and most often it has to do with whether the person is willing to be surrendered to the Lord on issues that He has identified as issues of faith, such as sex.

This is one issue that keeps many people out of the kingdom. They do not want to be surrendered to the Lord on this issue; and therefore they choose not to believe in Jesus and His plan for receiving eternal/everlasting life.

The scripture is clear on this issue:

Jas 1:21, Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22, But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.