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That's all you were looking for. Since you were seriously misinterpreting the passage, it had to be "you".
LOOK all you are saying is just YOUR interpretation (OPINION) and it can be just as wrong as you accuse mine of being.
Why don't you just state what you believe and leave me out of it. But you can't do that because you take great PRIDE in doing what you are doing. You take pride in pouring out your snake venom on others. Christian forums have a bad taste in the mouths of many because of people like you.
You hit the nail on the head, but according to our misguided friend, when I showed him exactly this and in fine detail, he called it my "opinion" (above). Obviously, he prefers his false ideas over Bible truth.
Davy
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That discussion has already been done. Our first belief on Jesus is for the remission of sins that are... past (according to Apostle Paul). References to future sin being covered by our first belief on Jesus Christ is not Biblical. We are to still repent and ask forgiveness of our Lord Jesus for future sins we may commit. That is John's Message to the believer in 1 John 1, and is why our Lord Jesus put the petition of forgiveness of sins in teaching us how to pray per Luke 11.
Philip James
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Hi Davy,
Indeed John's message is all about love.
Can we say we abide on Christ, and yet not love those around us?
We are called to share all that we have, just as Jesus shared all that He has for our sakes...
Even to the laying down of our lives for those who would destroy us...
Do we stumble? Do we fall short of this great call to LOVE?
When we do stumble, we have a merciful and generous God, who is quick to forgive us and restore us, if we but turn to HIM!
Let us love one another in Truth, by our actions, showing forth the love of God for all His children.... This is how the light of Christ shines forth from all those who are His....
Peace be with you!
Davy
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That's right, we are to love one another, which is exactly what I'm doing, otherwise I wouldn't care if brethren fall away from Jesus.
And truly... the doctrine of men that says we cannot sin anymore after having believed on Jesus is a way to fall away from Jesus, and instead be faced with His telling us to get away from Him when He appears on the last day...
Matt 7:19-23
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.
KJV
Those are believers on Jesus. Notice they claim to prophesy in His name, and in His name cast out devils, and done many wonderful works. Yet Jesus shows He will reject them because they worked iniquity.
Does that mean those won't be saved eventually? Not up to us to decide. But based on what our Lord Jesus showed there, those won't be of His elect "first resurrection" reigning with Him per Rev.20.
Any doctrine that teaches that we cannot sin anymore after having believed on Jesus, and thus there is no need to repent and ask Jesus forgiveness, is a doctrine from men. It's a doctrine designed to lead brethren away from Christ, simply because refusing to recognize future sin, and failing to repent to our Lord Jesus, means being found with iniquity when He appears.
I am glad I do not believe what you have said. Those that do will never find any joy and peace with God. Jesus said those that come to Him He will not cast away. The gospel of grace is that God has done everything that is required for a person to be saved. All that is required of that person is that they place their faith in His work on the cross. Some where above it was said that Jesus only paid for past sins. That is not what the scriptures say. Where Paul said past sins is where God overlooked past sins of those that believe Him until the sins were paid for on the cross.
But if a person wishes to believe He only paid for past sins then they do not have a way to paid for their sins of today and the future and will live in constant fear of not being saved. I don't think that is what Jesus had in mind.
God (Jesus) showed His love for mankind on the cross where He paid for all the sins of the whole world but it will only pay for the ones that believe it.
Philip James
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Read that letter from John again! He gives good and loving counsel for us when we see our brethren stumble... Pray for them! As I hope they pray for us!
Peace be with you!
Hidden In Him
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Ok, H. Richard. I enjoy discussing scripture so I am going to give you another shot. But please stay civil this time. I said nothing offensive last time and was polite with my responses, but you nevertheless went off on me like I had rained on your parade.
My first question is this: Do you regard "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" as a law, or no?
Bobby Jo
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Hidden In Him
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So I'm not the only one?
Bobby Jo
He didn't seem to be that way on previous occasions. I'm hoping it was just a momentary loss of composure. We all have them : )
"""I am not under the law.""" It is impossible for anyone living in sinful flesh to keep the laws of God, any of them. That is why He had to keep them FOR US. Anyone saying they can keep the laws of God are saying God did not have to keep them for us and Jesus doing it for us was not necessary.
Wonderful, you are going to give me another shot. How gracious you are.
Hidden In Him
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It's over.
A. You didn't answer my question, again.
B. All you could muster was being insulting, again.
Foolish of me to give you another shot, but I thought I would at least try. But you're content to be a sinner.
It's no small wonder you are in ill-health, H. Richard. You walk in continual, unrepentant sin, and will not repent even when being chastised for it. Please do so before you go to meet with God. As I told you before, none of this is a game, and those who present themselves as teachers of the word bear a grave responsibility. They will answer for what they did with His holy word.
But no need to worry about me "following you all over the forum with my Satanic hatred," LoL. I'm not interested in stressing you out, and your responses suggest that's all that ever happens.
Blessings in Christ as always,
Hidden In Him
So I walk in continual sinning and you don't. It seems you think you no longer sin in the flesh and you will find some on this forum who make the same claim.
You say you are walking as Jesus walked but the truth is that you do not really see how Jesus walked. --- There is an event in scriptures of how a group of men brought a woman caught in adultery before Jesus asking if she should be stoned to death. --- Jesus told them "he who is without sin may throw the first stone. Jesus had a way to make them look into their own hearts and when they did they saw their own sins. ___ None of them threw a stone. Jesus told the woman "neither do I condemn you. That is how Jesus walked. But it seems you are condemning me for my sins of the flesh. I thank God always that He made a way for me to be saved. You should understand that you are not my judge.
But it is obvious, that since you can not see the sin in your own heart, you would have cast the first stone just as you have done here to me.
But that is okay. The religious did the same thing to Jesus, Stephen and Paul so I am in very good company.
There is nothing that will get through to you because of your religious pride and self importance.
Bobby Jo
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Hidden In Him
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HR, it is not about casting stones, and yes I am not your Judge. What I'm trying to do is warn you that the One who will judge you may not be as lenient on you as you think. The teaching of the word is a very serious business, and you said it yourself that you have "helped" (i.e. influenced) many here through your teachings. What if you have influenced them into error? In the very short interactions I've had with you, I have presented you with questions to your arguments that, if they could not be answered, would demonstrate to you the weakness in your arguments. Consistently you could not answer me. The wise man who is honest with himself and God will take pause when he cannot answer someone else's line of questioning, recognizing it is a strong indication that there might just be a problem with his theology. A wise man will be more concerned with making sure what he teaches is accurate than with his reputation. I've had it happen to me a few times, and I acknowledged my error in light of the scriptures and reasoning that was presented. Why? Because I fear God, and do not want to lead anyone astray into falsehood. There is a saying, "Rebuke a wise man and he will thank you," and I would have thanked you if you could have proven me wrong. But you won't even answer my questions, i.e. with anything other than evasiveness.
As I have tried to remind you repeatedly, it is not a game. Your judgement when all is said and done is at issue here, and your soul may even be at stake, whether you realize it or not. And so I have considered that matter important enough to take time out of my day to respond to your threads. But if you still see yourself as in company with Jesus, Stephen and Paul, and I am merely persecuting you, then I have done all I can. But it had nothing to do with my supposed "religious pride and self-importance." I was trying to warn you.
We have repeatedly been at odds in what we believe. The truth is that you think you are right and I am wrong. You have judged me to be wrong and have made it your mission to convert me to your religious ideas. That is obvious to anyone and is a fruitless task. You have made an issue out of your questions which you claim I did not answer. I did answer them but you will not see what I said as an answer because it wasn't what you expected.
I am a child of God, made one by the Holy Spirit when I trusted in Jesus' work on the cross. I will not convert to legalism nor will I see myself as sinless in the flesh as some do. What I see is that Jesus came to save the ungodly and that includes all men/women because all sin in the flesh (Romans 7) even you. You judge me for sins of the flesh and you don't even know me. You think you have the right to do that. Why do you assume that right?
I have shown you what Jesus said about stoning a woman but you ignore it because it does not elevate your idea that you are given the power to not sin in the flesh.
I have shown you the scripture where is it said that it is wrong to judge another's servant but you ignore it. You will continue to do that in every OP I start. But I am sure that God can open the eyes of others to see what is going on. I post what the Holy Spirit shows me to post and will not stop.
2 Cor 4:1-6
4 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart.
2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus' sake.
6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
NKJV
4 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart.
2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus' sake.
6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
NKJV
Hidden In Him
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I haven't tried to convert you to my "religious ideas." I have been trying to hold you accountable for what you teach to others.
No, H. Richard, you have never answered any of my questions directly. You evade direct questioning by deflecting and bringing up something else. As I have told you, what I "expect" is that someone who proclaims himself to be a teacher of God's word should be able to properly account for scriptures that have relevance to his position and appear to completely contradict it; and in this case there are literally dozens upon dozens. But we'll never get to the rest because you never respond even to the few I cite. When you utterly avoid passages that present a problem to your position, you prove you are being selective about what parts of the Bible you want to accept and discuss, and this is the mark of someone whose teachings are not well-grounded.
No, I am rebuking and warning you that you are TEACHING FALSE DOCTRINE, H. Richard. How is that hard to understand? It appears to be something you think utterly impossible. So you are deflecting from what I am actually saying to save face with others; those whose eyes you are "trying to open."
I pray nothing worse comes upon you, and wish you the best.
In Christ Jesus,
Hidden In Him
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