Grailhunter,
re: "Asking you. Why were they there?"
And I told you that you can find the answer with Mark 16:1 and Luke 24:21.
re: "Asking you. Why were they there?"
And I told you that you can find the answer with Mark 16:1 and Luke 24:21.
Jesus' Crucifixion and Death, and Burial, were on consecutive days
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I do not have the time to justify my understanding that the triumphant entry into Jerusalem on a colt occurred after the end of the Sabbath day during the twilight period of the first day of the week. If John states that it happened on the next day, then if it occurred during the twilight period of the next day then it did happen on the next day.
Shalom
the Scriptures John 13:1,30; 18:28; 19:14 to 19:30 Luke 22:7-23:49 Mark 14:12-15:41 Matthew 26:17-27:56 teach that Jesus was delivered and led out to be crucified when "it was The Preparation Day OF THE PASSOVER", and that He was crucified and died "the ninth hour" 3 PM three hours before sunset on the Fifth Day of the week Thursday when "That Day great day of sabbath" OF THE PASSOVER, the Sixth Day of the week, was drawing <close> or was nearing. NOT BURIED ALSO. O God, open their eyes so that they may SEE?
No man. You DO NOT, HAVE, THE ABILITY TO, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE, THE SCRIPTURES TO.
Agreed: <<the special "High Sabbath" that begins the Feast of Unleavened Bread, no matter what day of the week it falls on because it is tied to Passover which can fall on any day of the week. The period of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is one week…>>
Agreed: <<and the day that begins it --the Feast of Unleavened Bread-- is always a Sabbath (known as the "High Sabbath") because the first day is Passover.>>
Just to make sure: The day that begins the Feast-week of Unleavened Bread, was always “the sabbath”—“sabbath” of the passover, <known as the "High Sabbath" of the seven days of unleavened bread eaten>--NOT WHEN “THEY HAD KILLED the passover”, nor therefore “the Sabbath of the week” Matthew 28:1.
Disagreed: <<Jesus was crucified on Wednesday.>>
Here is the timeline:
Agreed: Taking <early> to mean <early> of night, <<Jesus celebrated…> NOT <…the Passover meal…>, but the Lord’s Supper meal, <…early with His disciples. He, no doubt celebrated it early [being “evening”], which was permissible, because He knew He would not be alive for the actual Passover celebration the next evening. Then He and His disciples went to pray in Gethsemane. He was arrested and brought before the Jews that night.>>
In other words, Jesus celebrated the Lord’s Supper of bread and wine “an hour later” than sunset in the “evening” of the early night Luke 22:14 Mark 14:17 Matthew 26:20 John 13:30 1Corinthians 11:23 with His disciples. <<He, no doubt celebrated it as soon as was permissible, because He knew He would not be alive for the actual Passover celebration of the first and Feast night the next evening. Then He and His disciples went to pray in Gethsemane. He was arrested and brought before the Jews that night>>—1Corinthians 11:23! Agreed so far!
Disagreed: <<Wednesday morning-->> It was Thursday morning. See the Texts of the four Gospels in full agreement!
Agreed: <<He was taken before Pilate, was on the cross by 9 a.m. and had died by 3 p.m.>>
Disagreed: <<They hastened the death of the other prisoners because the Passover would begin at sundown.>> HERE is the GREAT OMISSION!
Agreed: <<The Passover Lamb was to be killed before the Passover would begin at sundown.>> Of course! How not for heaven’s sake! Because you are obliged to FILL IN THE TEXT AS IS COMPLETELY, HERE, conspicuous in its absence Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:31,38.
Disagreed: <<Wednesday night-->>. Words cannot be found where there is nothing to say unless it’s nonsense said. But Thursday night beginning of the Sixth Day, yes!
Like the grave and the clothing were prophetically predestined to be “PREPARED”, so was the time and day “NIGHT AND DAY” “THAT DAY BONE-ESSENTIAL DAY” of the Passover of Yahweh, prophetically predestined and “PREPARED” FOR “THIS NIGHT (of Abib 15) THAT NIGHT (of Abib 13)” in Egypt.
Disagreed: <<Jesus in the tomb – first night, High Sabbath begins at sundown, as the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread as well as Passover.>> Jesus’ body was still “PREPARED FOR TO BE BURIED .. AT THE FIRST NIGHT” of ulb. John 19:39 on, Mark 15:42 on, Matthew 27:57 on, Luke 23:54 on.
Disagreed: <<Thursday-->> But Friday, “the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath”, “That Day great day of sabbath of” the Passover of Yahweh, yes!
end of High sabbath at sundown
Agreed then: <<Jesus in the tomb – first day [of ulb], continuation of the High Sabbath>> “That Day The Preparation the Sabbath nearing” Luke 23:54 John 19:42;
Disagreed: <<Thursday night--> Jesus in the tomb, second night, end of High Sabbath at sundown>>.
Friday night, after the <High sabbath at sundown> Jesus was only taken off from the cross and his body prepared for burial,<Thursday night--> -- what was <in the tomb> already!
After the <end of High Sabbath at sundown>, “the women began to rest the Sabbath..." -- the third of the "three nights" and ONLY night <in the tomb>.
“The women began to rest the Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment” and “Sabbath OF THE WEEK” Luke 23:56b Matthew 28:1.
THEREFORE
Also agreed: <<Friday--> Jesus in the tomb, second day, spices …. prepared before the regular weekly Sabbath would begin at sundown, but there was no time to anoint Him.>> Fully agreed EXCEPT for the word… <bought>! Because spices were “bought”, “after the Sabbath had gone through” on Saturday night Mark 16:1, naturally.
THEREFORE
Also agreed: <<Friday night--> Jesus in the tomb, third night, regular weekly Sabbath begins at sundown>>. Naturally! Incontrovertibly!
Agreed: <<Saturday --> Jesus in the tomb third day, regular weekly Sabbath>>. AMEN
Agreed: <<Saturday Night --> Jesus must have been raised before sundown on Saturday--the end of the weekly
Sabbath…>> Halleluiah
Disagreed: <<…and the beginning of a new night.>> <Before sundown on Saturday> is before <the beginning of a new night> and is still <on Saturday>.
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Research it for yourself. Jesus had to die before the High Sabbath would begin the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The pre-selected Passover lambs were killed in an approximately two-hour period between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m. or so, on Nisan 14. The descent of darkness on Abib/Nisan 14 marked the time for the beginning of the Passover Seder and the Feast of Unleavened Bread--(which was already reckoned to be Nisan 15 because of the start of the new day at sundown). Some of the source of confusion is that the Roman Julian calendar and later Gregorian calendar reckoned days to begin and end at midnight.
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I am sorry, but are you speaking for yourself here. We both have used the same scriptures. You have used todays cultural norms to forge your POV. I have not. I have followed the traditions of the Jewish cultural norms of Jesus' day.
It seems that when people can logically present a strong case against your personally perceived wisdom, that you react badly. Angrily in fact. I am sorry, but it seems to me that you need to repent of your sins of turning away from God and trampling His Sanctuary and Holy scriptures.
Shalom
Lady Crosstalk,
re: "Some of the source of confusion is that the Roman Julian calendar and later Gregorian calendar reckoned days to begin and end at midnight. "
And it appears you are using a midnight to midnight calendar day when you should be using a sunset to sunset calendar day.
re: "Some of the source of confusion is that the Roman Julian calendar and later Gregorian calendar reckoned days to begin and end at midnight. "
And it appears you are using a midnight to midnight calendar day when you should be using a sunset to sunset calendar day.
Just trying to help other Gentiles wrap their minds around it.
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The Passover was the "type". It was a "shadow of things to come". Jesus was the "Anti-type" and if you step into the shadow of the Passover and start following it, you will eventually bump your head at the Cross.
The Passover was in Nisan....
...and yet, Jesus died in a different month? Sorry, didn't happen.
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God's commandments are only grievous to those who don't love Him.
Do you love Jesus? He says to those who run off at the mouth about how much they love Him to "keep My commandments" and prove it. Do you keep the commandments? Those which He wrote with His own finger in stone which He Himself says "stand fast forever and ever"?
What the world needs today are Christians like those of the past who refused to confess that stupid piece of papal dead bread was "divinity" - even as they watched those papal monsters ordering the troops to toss their children one by one over the cliff each time they refused the opportunity to recant their belief in Christ alone. But, alas, Christ Himself said when He comes, "Shall the Son of Man find faith" which actually means "the faith" - the one true faith, not the zillions of false Christian churches who don't resemble in the least God's remnant church which "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony...and faith of Jesus."
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The Torah renders the month as "Abib" in the Hebrew. After the Babylonian captivity, it was called Nisan (or Nican). It is the same month.
It is TRUE <"The Passover was the "type".>
It is TRUE <It was a "shadow of things to come".>
It is TRUE <Jesus was the "Anti-type">,
and,
IT IS VERY TRUE, that, <<if you step into the shadow of the Passover and start following it, you will eventually bump your head at the Cross">>,
so that, if you don't <bump your head at the Cross>, YOU <MISSED> GOD'S ETERNAL PLAN with and PURPOSE for "the Passover of Yahweh". Because Jesus Christ is "the Passover of Yahweh" because He became a Man only to become "OUR PASSOVER" ONLY TO become "THE LAMB OF GOD".
So that every Scripture about the passover BECOMES "all Scripture concerning the Christ".
I tell you, for you a mystery, that as every Scripture about the passover BECOMES "all Scripture concerning the Christ", it BECOMES Scripture concerning "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD".
If this about the passover of the Bible Old AND New Testament were not true, dear brother in Jesus Christ, you resigned your job for a pot of bean-soup and you pay your tithe and offering and offer up your life -- you in fact ARE A BELIEVER, IN VAIN; plus, you would not, surely not, have had any Sabbath to remember or observe or keep holy!
Agreed: <<Research it for yourself.>>
Agreed: <<Jesus had to die before the High Sabbath would begin>>
Disagreed: <<the High Sabbath would begin the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread>> The passover began with “The month Abib is the month of Passover”; then “the tenth day of the First Month” began the Last Week of the heart of the passover; then only, began the passover, “the head first day they removed leaven” and “killed the passover” and “PREPARED” to move out;
AFTER the fourteenth day “the fifteenth day is feast when they ATE the passover PLUS “the next daylight .. of the fifteenth day of the First Month .. they burned with fire that which remained” in order to FULLY BURY the sacrifice eaten in the NIGHT before on the fifteenth day of the First Month.
Thus <the High Sabbath would begin .. the Feast of Unleavened Bread> while it continued the passover and was the second day of the “three days thick darkness” of “the selfsame whole day BONE-ESSENTIAL DAY” of the passover, teaching us that sacrifice alone has no value unless EATEN by believers. .
Agreed: <<The pre-selected Passover lambs were killed in an approximately two-hour period between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m. or so, on Nisan 14>> “in the past”!
But when Jesus died, 3 p.m., the veil was torn and the Holy Spirit LEFT and the entrance to the temple collapsed and DARKNESS prevented any offerings and sacrifices because CHRIST was the LAST Lamb of GOD who offered up Himself “ONCE FOREVER”. So, Disagreed!
Disagreed: <<The descent of darkness on Abib/Nisan 14 marked the time for the beginning of the Passover Seder and the Feast of Unleavened Bread--(which was already reckoned to be Nisan 15 because of the start of the new day at sundown).>> These lines are the multiplication of cultist arrogance with cultist ignorance.
Disagreed: <<Some of the source of confusion is that the Roman Julian calendar and later Gregorian calendar reckoned days to begin and end at midnight.>> And these lines underline the sum.
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Sorry, you will haver to make your point much clearer that that as I am not good at guessing what you are talking about. There is too little information.
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