What is the difference between vengeance and justice?

GodsGrace said:

WHY does a person have to forgive?
WHY does the other person have to repent first?

We're talking about forgiving another person...
NOT God forgiving us.

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When one is hauled up to the Beak and one is defiant, a rebel ? what does the Beak do ? forgive ?
Now what if the one who is truly repented before the Beak ? the Beak takes such in consideration, would you not think.
As the Beak would think that one is a scoundrel and a menace to society and deal with such a one in a different way, I would think.

What would you do if one clown robbed you, forgive them for such ? what if they jabbed you with what's known here as a happy moment fish, now they sure hurt I have been informed by a mate and when I catch one in the dingy he goes into a fit if as soon as he sees one come up, he will not touch it, but bash it off with a waddy on the side of the boat, he got stung trying to pull one off the hook once, never again !

A person does not have to forgive.

No one forgives another of malice and this one is not repentant if they did such, what would be the point to for give such a clown.

If one forgives another it's because that person has repented to you and that means that you can forgive and mend the friendship.

Sure I know of idiots that I forgive them of their stupidity or ignorance and even being a right twat at times even thou I detest some of their traits, but I can still get along with such people, I forgive their lack of Grace somewhat say, but their is a line ? that is drawn as to such nonsense, now a old mate got into drugs and said to me that he would shoot a cop rather than get caught and I said don't shoot a cop what ever you do because I will never speak to you again if you did such, now that's drawing a line, it means I am not joking at all and I totally mean it. now he got off the drugs and never shot anyone and now he knows what a total moron he was on them drugs and has repented knowing full well just how bad them drugs are to people.

I don't have to respect bad traits in anyone and I don't have to support any bad traits, in fact I can and will point out what I do not like about them if it greaves me enough to have to say it, but that don't mean that I am not their friend ? but then again if someone I do not know or like, maybe I could not care to say such to them, or maybe I will if it needs saying because they are such a pain.

Comprehendey.

Miss Hepburn said:

Well, 'bothering with' and forgiving them are different.
Forgiving a scoundrel, a liar, a thief, a gossiper of my character is something I will do til the day I die, tho, I
may not hang out with them.
Everything they do is a cry for help.

'Never beforehand'?...I will never live my life that way...and thank you, Lord, for giving that wisdom to
me in the depths of my heart...and knowing THAT is all You care about, that is all You see, that is all You want...Love,
always Love in all it's forms, forgiveness, mercy, kindness, encouragement, charity and selflessness.
There is no question, no debate, no confusion of this in me.
It is Your Will, Lord, always, not my personal ego guiding what I shall do.
What a miserable, shallow, selfish life the Ego has in store for those that listen to it!

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I had to deal with a lot of total pricks in my life treating me like I was their slave and not to mention ripping me off, even people trying to bash me up for no reason at all, but that they just wanted to have a go, so that they could prove themselves to others and I was nice to them and never broke their bones or tore ligaments. I hated it and I can tell you it's not nice being attacked by groups of people or some moron with a knife. no I don't for give them at all.

I see company's ect who are all about malice wilfully trying to treat all around them as badly as they can.

I see the Talmud as the worst organisation in the world that their ever was, but you know what they can get away with creating wars and causing so much misery around the world, not to mention totally bastardising the world Banking system especially the USA and they are running the USA into the ground that's the plan. they created the totally Capitalist whores and the Communist bastards who have killed how many people ? not to mention they created Hitler Nazis who killed how many ? and the Talmud planed the killing the Jews, just like they tried to kill Holy Moses.

And should I forgive such people, well no ! not at all. I will point them out for what they are, Golden Calf idolisers of Satan.
Why should I just sit back and let such murders on the loose knowing full well their deeds.
But you see they have the world in the bag, because they have most under their spell. as the flesh gives in to such because they know not what they do because they are lost to the power of Satan and they can't get out of it because they are lost. Jesus said so and I will remind you that it's not the flesh that we are at war with. but what ? do you remember what it is. principality's and powers of ?
So yes I do forgive them for they know not what they do, but yes many do know they are doing totally wrong but they love doing it because they can and they have no excuse for what they do, even if they are lost to Sin, but they do know Sin but not the depth of such because they are not saved. they are still going to hell tho, because they love to make the world hell and reject Christ Jesus.
And that's why we have all the gutless Priest around the world who siting back leading the world astray like Pope Frances bowing down grovelling like a lap dog to Rothschild. and they are planning to kill the majority of the worlds population. Pope Francis is a Satanic as they come and has undermined the true RCC like a great termite that he is. and the new age mob that peddle the rapture are in bed with Satanist and have the blood of all them poor Souls on their hands. Jesus said that they were of their Father the Devil a liars and murders from the beginning.

Reggie Belafonte said:

When one is hauled up to the Beak and one is defiant, a rebel ? what does the Beak do ? forgive ?
Now what if the one who is truly repented before the Beak ? the Beak takes such in consideration, would you not think.
As the Beak would think that one is a scoundrel and a menace to society and deal with such a one in a different way, I would think.

What would you do if one clown robbed you, forgive them for such ? what if they jabbed you with what's known here as a happy moment fish, now they sure hurt I have been informed by a mate and when I catch one in the dingy he goes into a fit if as soon as he sees one come up, he will not touch it, but bash it off with a waddy on the side of the boat, he got stung trying to pull one off the hook once, never again !

A person does not have to forgive.

No one forgives another of malice and this one is not repentant if they did such, what would be the point to for give such a clown.

If one forgives another it's because that person has repented to you and that means that you can forgive and mend the friendship.

Sure I know of idiots that I forgive them of their stupidity or ignorance and even being a right twat at times even thou I detest some of their traits, but I can still get along with such people, I forgive their lack of Grace somewhat say, but their is a line ? that is drawn as to such nonsense, now a old mate got into drugs and said to me that he would shoot a cop rather than get caught and I said don't shoot a cop what ever you do because I will never speak to you again if you did such, now that's drawing a line, it means I am not joking at all and I totally mean it. now he got off the drugs and never shot anyone and now he knows what a total moron he was on them drugs and has repented knowing full well just how bad them drugs are to people.

I don't have to respect bad traits in anyone and I don't have to support any bad traits, in fact I can and will point out what I do not like about them if it greaves me enough to have to say it, but that don't mean that I am not their friend ? but then again if someone I do not know or like, maybe I could not care to say such to them, or maybe I will if it needs saying because they are such a pain.

Comprehendey.

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No. I don't comprehendy.
What you write above is not what was taught by Jesus.
Are you a disciple or not?
You get to make up your own lessons, or you get lessons from our Lord?

Soverign Grace said:

So in your opinion - should I have reported the corrupt probate lawyer? I did protect myself and refused to allow them to bully me into signing their corrupt document, but I had the choice to make of whether to report the two corrupt lawyers or not.

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Yes, you should have definitely reported those corrupt lawyers, since you would have been protecting yourself and others (who would also be subject to their tactics in the future). It is just as though you were seeing a crime in progress and reporting it. Nothing un-Christian about that.

I think that if we pray for the Lord to receive the perpetrators as sons, justice/vengeance will be meted out to them, and they will also be saved.

WIN/WIN.

Hebrews 12:6.

GodsGrace said:

No. I don't comprehendy.
What you write above is not what was taught by Jesus.
Are you a disciple or not?
You get to make up your own lessons, or you get lessons from our Lord?

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Christianity is not about being stupid. it's about understanding what you are and understand why we are dealing with the world around us.
A Christian should not close their eyes to the world around us, one must have a handle on it, or you are of Satan.
I think that it may be that you are giving in to temptation ? just like the ones that sat by knowing about the 6 million Jews were killed and did nothing at all, is that ok with you ? or may be you would say no ? but would of you truly of did anything in the day ? not to mention just sit back and swallow the lie that is peddled about it all in total ignorance, claiming that you have blind faith and that what is clamed is totally true. without bothering to look into it all, I say that such is just only blind ignorance.= lead by satan.

A disciple seeks always or you will never find.

I have met many a Christian who follow their denomination or the Pope blindly without question, such people are a disgrace and never are born again.

Anyone can be trained to sit on their arse like a dog and claim to be a saint dribbling just humbug that just sounds good, I have seen this type, not to mention such come across as good to the Atheist as they will love you because you are not a threat to their evil ? but was Jesus loved, no ! he was hated ! not to mention had to be killed because he got in their face and was exposing them. Jesus never just sat on his arse and said nice things about everyone regardless, as fact is that any idiot can do that.

Why do you think that God sent the Prophets ? they all hounded the leadership for doing wrong and that's why they were killed. did you not know that.
Look at Pope Francis he does not want to upset anyone and is claiming all sorts of lies, like Islam has the same God as Christianity. but for the true Christians he turns his back on. not to mention he gets away with all his stupid outright lies. so why support a idiot like that, what would a lying grub like him of done back in WW2 with the 6 million Jews, I would not expect nothing at all but lies. he is full of lies now and a unrepentant dog of Satan and crawling up to his master Lord Rothschild.

Reggie Belafonte said:

Christianity is not about being stupid. it's about understanding what you are and understand why we are dealing with the world around us.
A Christian should not close their eyes to the world around us, one must have a handle on it, or you are of Satan.
I think that it may be that you are giving in to temptation ? just like the ones that sat by knowing about the 6 million Jews were killed and did nothing at all, is that ok with you ? or may be you would say no ? but would of you truly of did anything in the day ? not to mention just sit back and swallow the lie that is peddled about it all in total ignorance, claiming that you have blind faith and that what is clamed is totally true. without bothering to look into it all, I say that such is just only blind ignorance.= lead by satan.

A disciple seeks always or you will never find.

I have met many a Christian who follow their denomination or the Pope blindly without question, such people are a disgrace and never are born again.

Anyone can be trained to sit on their arse like a dog and claim to be a saint dribbling just humbug that just sounds good, I have seen this type, not to mention such come across as good to the Atheist as they will love you because you are not a threat to their evil ? but was Jesus loved, no ! he was hated ! not to mention had to be killed because he got in their face and was exposing them. Jesus never just sat on his arse and said nice things about everyone regardless, as fact is that any idiot can do that.

Why do you think that God sent the Prophets ? they all hounded the leadership for doing wrong and that's why they were killed. did you not know that.
Look at Pope Francis he does not want to upset anyone and is claiming all sorts of lies, like Islam has the same God as Christianity. but for the true Christians he turns his back on. not to mention he gets away with all his stupid outright lies. so why support a idiot like that, what would a lying grub like him of done back in WW2 with the 6 million Jews, I would not expect nothing at all but lies. he is full of lies now and a unrepentant dog of Satan and crawling up to his master Lord Rothschild.

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I'm serious.
I don't know what you're talking about.
You must love the Pope,you talk about him all the time.
Looks like you think about him more than our Lord.

This thread is about the difference between vengeance and justice...
If you want to talk about that....

These were my original questions to you on post no. 61:

WHY does a person have to forgive?
WHY does the other person have to repent first?

We're talking about forgiving another person...
NOT God forgiving us.

It seemed to me that you had stated that we are not required to forgive anyone unless they repent first.

Maybe you could just answer my questions to clarify what you meant instead of going on some kind of rampage I don't understand?

Well, looks like he does not like the Pope...and rude too. So he has a religion that teaches him to be rude to ladies. Alrighty then! Poor guy. Don't you feel sorry for him? So if his parents were too stupid to teach him manners, what ya say we teach him some?

Grailhunter said:

Well, looks like he does not like the Pope...and rude too. So he has a religion that teaches him to be rude to ladies. Alrighty then! Poor guy. Don't you feel sorry for him? So if his parents were too stupid to teach him manners, what ya say we teach him some?

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LOL
How?
Some replies just sound like ramblings and I never know how to respond to such posts.

I like to stick to one subject...
some posters are all over the place with their thoughts.

GodsGrace said:

LOL
How?
Some replies just sound like ramblings and I never know how to respond to such posts.

I like to stick to one subject...
some posters are all over the place with their thoughts.

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I imagine we all drift a little but the whole rude thing does not make any sense. Like I am going to take the time to go to a Christian forum to share theology and the Bible with fellow Christians....and then get rude. Because rudeness mean I know a lot about Christianity? Why waste your time! Everyone is going think you are an idiot.

Grailhunter said:

I imagine we all drift a little but the whole rude thing does not make any sense. Like I am going to take the time to go to a Christian forum to share theology and the Bible with fellow Christians....and then get rude. Because rudeness mean I know a lot about Christianity? Why waste your time! Everyone is going think you are an idiot.

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I found it necessary to post John 13:35 a lot on a different forum.
It's not bad here.

GodsGrace said:

I found it necessary to post John 13:35 a lot on a different forum.
It's not bad here.

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I have got to be missing something....that is a shame.

Grailhunter said:

I have got to be missing something....that is a shame.

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NO. You're not.
Things are pretty nice here.
Some forums are impossible..why would you want to be on one?
I like the nicer ones. I don't need Christians to argue with...doesn't seem right.

Soverign Grace said:

I've found a curious perversion in people: as long as you're hurting someone else and not ME then I'm okay with you. I've seen this in Christians too.

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I believe that the Lord Jesus calls us to forgive other people, even when, and especially when, the person you are hurting is me.

GodsGrace said:

I found it necessary to post John 13:35 a lot on a different forum.
It's not bad here.

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Thing is that what you are claiming to be as Love, is not truly Love at all that John 13:35 is truly on about in fact.

The Mother Theresa thing has nothing to do with Jesus Christ at all, she never saved anyone and never was about Salvation in Christ Jesus.

Look do you remember BAND AID and old Bob and his bunch of drugged out Satanist morons who gave all that money to Who ? that went to Kill all them Black Christians in Africa in fact ? remember all that, many gave donations to this Satanic scam, I did not at the time because I could see through it all.
So be carful that you understand things and don't just support a scam that claims to be doing the right thing I would say. you know I was bad mouthed for palming them off at the time and I had to be up front with them directly and say no ! but they would not listen as to why, because they were ignorant of the reality's, fact is that they were only a 'mans good works' mob ! and lost as to God.

Grailhunter said:

Well, looks like he does not like the Pope...and rude too. So he has a religion that teaches him to be rude to ladies. Alrighty then! Poor guy. Don't you feel sorry for him? So if his parents were too stupid to teach him manners, what ya say we teach him some?

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I do not respect Pope Frances at all, that's true.
But I do have admiration of Pope Ben and liked John Paul II.
Would you like me to give you a lesson on why it is so.
One may feel I am being rude to Pope Frances, but fact is I am not because it's him that is insulting all of the history of RCC doctrine and he is in bed with the world.

Reggie Belafonte said:

I do not respect Pope Frances at all, that's true.
But I do have admiration of Pope Ben and liked John Paul II.
Would you like me to give you a lesson on why it is so.
One may feel I am being rude to Pope Frances, but fact is I am not because it's him that is insulting all of the history of RCC doctrine and he is in bed with the world.

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No...rude in general. You are speaking of the Word of God and it appears you know nothing about the Spirit of the Word. The best your religion has taught you, is to be rude with the ladies. You know no better because you have learnt nothing.

Lesson one:
Christianity 101
Rule one: Keep a civil tongue---do not be rude.
Reality check one: You are on a Christian forum. Your demeanor would be better suited for a pornography site.
Are you ready for the next lesson?

Grailhunter said:

No...rude in general. You are speaking of the Word of God and it appears you know nothing about the Spirit of the Word. The best your religion has taught you, is to be rude with the ladies. You know no better because you have learnt nothing.

Lesson one:
Christianity 101
Rule one: Keep a civil tongue---do not be rude.
Reality check one: You are on a Christian forum. Your demeanor would be better suited for a pornography site.
Are you ready for the next lesson?

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This is the first time that I have come across you I think.
Your works are of Satan ! and you are clearly on a worldly trip.

I take it that what you are referring to as rude, must be coming from your ego I would think, sadly many a fool blindly follow a religion for religious sake following a hypocritical line of political correctness 101 that no one is to criticise or they will see that as rude ? ? much like Stalin types who are offend because you do not idolise them totally.
People like that are a pox on the Church and drive people away in droves and I have seen it many a time.

Some how you remind me of this.
I had a mates dad that got new people in next door, so he did the Christian thing and offered her to come to his church, well he regrated that totally he confessed to me, she was a Nazi type of ignorance stomping about in no time, no grace at all but only a curse, and she lorded it all over her hubby and he was that hen pecked that he was like a zombie and her son was a Nazi type of kid stomping about my mates farm and all, trying to get him into trouble, my mate was 16yo at the time they moved in and this brat would go directly to my mates dad and piddle on with anything that he could try make up, he had a vendetta on my mate for some reason and my mate did noting wrong to him at all.
I lived with that mate for some months and old wormy even had a chop at me for cutting him off turning up the road to the farm, thing was he had to give way by law anyway but he had only just got his licence and did not understand this fact.
I asked that old mate some years ago about old wormy what is he doing now, thinking that he was a prison guard or something like that.