Religious Facade Christianity

Nancy · Jul 26, 2019

Episkopos said:
It has been said...that the New Testament is in the Old testament concealed, and the Old testament is in the New Testament revealed.

It takes wisdom to see how that works. We can't expect everyone to just get it. There will be naysayers. But those who understand spiritual things the OT is as rich or richer in it's hidden depths than even the NT.

God has specifically put hidden treasure in the OT for they who seek them out. They are the hidden riches of knowledge put there for they who seek out everything that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Proverbs 25:2
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing (a word): but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.(word)

But who is sufficient to understand these things?

"But who is sufficient to understand these things?"
Those who continually seek Him diligently. I do believe that the Gospel is threaded throughout the OT. Pearls!!!! ♥♥♥

Nancy · Jul 26, 2019

firstthings1st. said:
I have been thinking about the above since I first read it on 7-25-19, and is familiar with the passage Isaiah 35:8-9 in some way, but I will be in prayer with the above.

Reminds me of "Pilgrims Progress"

Nancy · Jul 27, 2019

Enoch111 said:
You mean the Hebrews before Pentecost (not "us") . Some of God's people did have the Holy Spirit within them before Pentecost, particularly the prophets. Also He came upon some from time to time. He also left some when necessary. But the gift of the Holy Spirit was given on the Day of Pentecost, and He comes to indwell believers since then.

Well, yes of course I am talking about the Hebrews...I kind of assume folks know when I talk about the OT.

Hisman · Jul 27, 2019

Enoch111 said:
You mean the Hebrews before Pentecost (not "us") . Some of God's people did have the Holy Spirit within them before Pentecost, particularly the prophets. Also He came upon some from time to time. He also left some when necessary. But the gift of the Holy Spirit was given on the Day of Pentecost, and He comes to indwell believers since then.

Interesting .
We do know that the Holy Spirit was very active in the OT, but He came UPON the OT Prophets and did not dwell within them.

That is my understanding in studying the OT

bless you.

Episkopos · Jul 27, 2019

Hisman said:
Interesting .
We do know that the Holy Spirit was very active in the OT, but He came UPON the OT Prophets and did not dwell within them.

That is my understanding in studying the OT

bless you.

Yes, There was no divine nature in anyone in the OT. That's why Jesus said that even the least in the kingdom of God was greater than the greatest among the sons of men...ie ..John the Baptist.

But people have reduced what is means to be born again and walk in divine power and love. So many assume they have the fulness of this without any seeking or forsaking the things of this life.

We have access to everything pertaining to life and the riches of holiness when we enter into Christ. It just remains for us to present ourselves to God as a living sacrifice. If we are accepted into the beloved then we will walk as Jesus walked...in the gift of His perfected humanity which is by grace through faith.

Again...so many presumptions surround these promises of God.

In the OT what we saw was the anointing ON a person. But the nature remained very human. Just look at Jonah who ran away or Elijah who killed people with His anointing.

Although even the human nature can learn to know the Lord. We learn things through example and exposure. So that exposure to holiness turns us towards righteousness as heat emanates from the flame. That is what is also meant to happen to we who have received the Spirit inwardly. But I fear that many don't understand that we will be judged by what the grace of God has produced in us...or...what we have done with what we have been given. I fear that there is no heat of holiness in many that translates into righteousness of behaviour. Plenty of assumptions and empty boasting however.

The OT is there to show us an example of the treatment of men and judgment towards them by God. We would be wise to learn from their example...so often an example of what NOT to do.

The alternative to the truth is to think that God is not perfectly fair to judge people equally from one generation to the other...as suggested with the man-made doctrine called "Dispensationalism."

Enoch111 · Jul 27, 2019

Hisman said:
Interesting .
We do know that the Holy Spirit was very active in the OT, but He came UPON the OT Prophets and did not dwell within them.

Please note that the Spirit of Christ (the Holy Spirit) was within the prophets:

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. (1 Peter 1:10,11)

WalterandDebbie · Jul 27, 2019

Episkopos said:
It has been said that for every mile of road there are 2 miles of ditch (one ditch on either side of the road)

But in truth those ditches are more like vast fields. The road is the elevated road of holiness.

Isaiah 35:8-9
8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

The early church was called the followers of "the way".... the way of Christ which is in holiness.

But that way is narrow and few can find it. So then the possibility of missing that road and ending up rather in left field or right field are great indeed. In fact we all will fall into the ditch at some point. We will all fall into traps. But it is what we do after that that determines what we become.

We could see the left ditch field as the sins of the flesh...the carnal rebellion of man. Debauchey, perversion, lusts, obsessions, greed, gluttony....etc

I think we all understand this side of sin...the sins that are in the world that we are called out from in order to lead a life with God.

What we don't hear so much....and we should all the more...concerns the religious field which is the ditch on the other side of the road.

This field consists of......religious pride, presumption, delusion, judgementalism, indoctrination, hypocrisy....

Jesus was more concerned for the sins of the religious right as opposed to the sins on the carnal left. And this goes contrary to what most churches teach. Most churches see sin as worldliness (the sins of the flesh) which is that which we can fall into on the left side while fully ignoring the more prevalent sins on the right side that believers fall into on a routine basis.

And this is due to the overwhelming infiltration of error into the modern church. There is a blindness that has come into the church at the level of an epidemic in our time. And this epidemic is spreading.

I have prayed about the above statement, The above is correct, and sounds like to me, IF Christians would follow the Lord steps everything would be in place with the book of life to be with the Lord. 1 Peter 4

Marymog · Jul 27, 2019

Episkopos said:
It has been said that for every mile of road there are 2 miles of ditch (one ditch on either side of the road)

But in truth those ditches are more like vast fields. The road is the elevated road of holiness.

Isaiah 35:8-9
8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

The early church was called the followers of "the way".... the way of Christ which is in holiness.

But that way is narrow and few can find it. So then the possibility of missing that road and ending up rather in left field or right field are great indeed. In fact we all will fall into the ditch at some point. We will all fall into traps. But it is what we do after that that determines what we become.

We could see the left ditch field as the sins of the flesh...the carnal rebellion of man. Debauchey, perversion, lusts, obsessions, greed, gluttony....etc

I think we all understand this side of sin...the sins that are in the world that we are called out from in order to lead a life with God.

What we don't hear so much....and we should all the more...concerns the religious field which is the ditch on the other side of the road.

This field consists of......religious pride, presumption, delusion, judgementalism, indoctrination, hypocrisy....

Jesus was more concerned for the sins of the religious right as opposed to the sins on the carnal left. And this goes contrary to what most churches teach. Most churches see sin as worldliness (the sins of the flesh) which is that which we can fall into on the left side while fully ignoring the more prevalent sins on the right side that believers fall into on a routine basis.

And this is due to the overwhelming infiltration of error into the modern church. There is a blindness that has come into the church at the level of an epidemic in our time. And this epidemic is spreading.

Hi,

I get the gist of what you are saying and I agree with you. Can you share with me your top 5 errors the modern church is committing?

Thank you in advance....Mary

Episkopos · Jul 27, 2019

Marymog said:
Hi,

I get the gist of what you are saying and I agree with you. Can you share with me your top 5 errors the modern church is committing?

Thank you in advance....Mary

Why just 5?

What I see is that we aren't listening to the teachings of Jesus. We are trying to build on shaky ground...rather than on obedience to God. So then

1. We don't honour obedience to God enough
2. We have exchanged a biblical supernatural faith with a human belief system.
3. We have forsaken the fear of the Lord and humility....therefore we have forsaken wisdom.
4. We have lowered the spiritual standard to allow anyone to say they are born again.
5. We are not discerning Christ in each other to discern the body...maybe because of the above 4 other errors.

Anyhoo...that's a quick purview...

Marymog · Jul 27, 2019

Episkopos said:
Why just 5?

What I see is that we aren't listening to the teachings of Jesus. We are trying to build on shaky ground...rather than on obedience to God. So then

1. We don't honour obedience to God enough
2. We have exchanged a biblical supernatural faith with a human belief system.
3. We have forsaken the fear of the Lord and humility....therefore forsaken wisdom.
4. We have lowered the spiritual standard to allow anyone to say they are born again.
5. We are not discerning Christ in each other to discern the body...maybe because of the above 4 other errors.

Anyhoo...that's a quick purview...

Good question....why only 5! For brevity sake I suppose since we could list 100+ now couldn't we.....

I was thinking the biggest errors of the modern church are things such as gay marriage, actively gay pastors, pastors that pray FOR safe abortions not doing what Jesus told us to do or what we must do (Luke 22:19, John 6:53) etc. I thought that were the type of errors you were talking about.

I love your error #4. This same thing happened almost 2,000 years ago so The Church started requiring people that wanted to become Christian to participate in classes. It took 1-3 years of class time, learning what it meant to call yourself a Christian and learning the bible, before they could fully participate in the church service. TODAY..... ???? all's one has to do is walk up to a stage that is playing Christian rock and roll music with smoke and lasers everywhere and say the sinners prayer and you are considered a Christian....

Mary

WalterandDebbie · Jul 27, 2019

firstthings1st. said:
I have prayed about the above statement, The above is correct, and sounds like to me, IF Christians would follow the Lord steps everything would be in place with the book of life to be with the Lord. 1 Peter 4

Amen

Enoch111 · Jul 28, 2019

Marymog said:
I was thinking the biggest errors of the modern church...

Mary, since you follow the teachings of a church which has promoted False Christianity for over 1,000 years, you are hardly in a position to talk about the "errors of the modern church". And the RCC has been tolerating and protecting *gay* priests and bishops for hundreds of years. So hypocrisy should be your greatest concern.

*Gay* is a misnomer. *Miserable* would be more appropriate.

marks · Jul 29, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Mary, since you follow the teachings of a church which has promoted False Christianity for over 1,000 years, you are hardly in a position to talk about the "errors of the modern church". And the RCC has been tolerating and protecting *gay* priests and bishops for hundreds of years. So hypocrisy should be your greatest concern.

*Gay* is a misnomer. *Miserable* would be more appropriate.

Same Sex Attraction Disorder

Marymog · Jul 31, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Mary, since you follow the teachings of a church which has promoted False Christianity for over 1,000 years, you are hardly in a position to talk about the "errors of the modern church". And the RCC has been tolerating and protecting *gay* priests and bishops for hundreds of years. So hypocrisy should be your greatest concern.

*Gay* is a misnomer. *Miserable* would be more appropriate.

LOL...In the year 107 AD what church was Ignatius talking about when he called it the Catholic Church? Soooo you are about 1,000 years off on your theory.

What criteria has to be met and WHO sets the criteria for who is allowed or who is in the "position to talk about the errors of the modern church"? YOU????

Which church is not promoting a "False Christianity"? Please let me know so I can join it.

Maybe at @"ByGrace" can help you with those answers since she likes your statement and seems to agree with you.....

Mary

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