Is it ok for christian to vote for Obama?

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You can vote however you like but you are deluding yourself Obama is the Most liberal senator in the Senate He is in their pocket he not only believes in abortion he actually voted to allow the killing babies that survived abortions. He voted to teach sex education including same sex to 7 year olds. This is his record and the left with Obama Nancy Peloski and Harry Reed intend to turn this country in Sodom and Gomorrah all with good intentions
These are both very common beliefs about Obama however these were both lies made up by the extreme right winged media.http://www.urbanmyths.com/index.php?/Polit...arten-myth.html
 

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These are both very common beliefs about Obama however these were both lies made up by the extreme right winged media.http://www.urbanmyths.com/index.php?/Polit...arten-myth.html
From your link:The bill that Obama supported in fact was to teach age-appropriate sex ed, and specifically was to instruct 5 year olds on how to avoid sexual predators and pedophiles!"This is part of what is specifically recommended to the 5-year-old crowd:Level 1 • Human beings can love people of the same gender and people of another gender.• Some people are heterosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone of another gender.• Some people are homosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone of the same gender.• Homosexual men and women are also known as gay men and lesbians.• People deserve respect regardless of who they are attracted to.• Making fun of people by calling them gay (e.g. “homo,” “fag,” “queer”) is disrespectful and hurtful.Byron, that and lot of other stuff in those guidelines look nothing like what the lie you passed on that Obama just wants to teach kindergarteners "how to avoid predators". On the contrary, it looks more like to me Obama wants to teach kindergartners to bend over for homosexuals, to respect the homosexual pedophile molesting them. What an insane age we live in where someone who thinks himself a Christian can vote for a "man" like Obama.
 

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If you walked upon a man killing a woman, or vice versa, would you just say 'Everone has free will, besides it's non of my busness.' ? If you say nothing and do nothing to stop it, then you are supporting it and saying it's not evil for some people.So, if you vote for someone who does nothing to stop what Jesus says is evil, then you support it and are for it. Have you ever watched the movie 'Not without my daughter' with Sally Field? You should, before you go to vote. The story is not uncommon. We just need to open our eyes. Remember, WE choose weather we allow ourselves to be decieved or not.
 

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From your link:The bill that Obama supported in fact was to teach age-appropriate sex ed, and specifically was to instruct 5 year olds on how to avoid sexual predators and pedophiles!"This is part of what is specifically recommended to the 5-year-old crowd:Level 1 • Human beings can love people of the same gender and people of another gender.• Some people are heterosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone of another gender.• Some people are homosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone of the same gender.• Homosexual men and women are also known as gay men and lesbians.• People deserve respect regardless of who they are attracted to.• Making fun of people by calling them gay (e.g. “homo,” “fag,” “queer”) is disrespectful and hurtful.Byron, that and lot of other stuff in those guidelines look nothing like what the lie you passed on that Obama just wants to teach kindergarteners "how to avoid predators". On the contrary, it looks more like to me Obama wants to teach kindergartners to bend over for homosexuals, to respect the homosexual pedophile molesting them. What an insane age we live in where someone who thinks himself a Christian can vote for a "man" like Obama.
You seem to jump to conclusions alot. Where does it say that "we teach kids to bend over for homosexuals." It doesn't. It just says we should respect as humans beings, just like every Christian should. This is what i would teach to my kids. I of course tell them I and our religion that you are a part of does not approve of homosexuality. However it does not give you the right to disrespect those who are homosexual, even though they are sinning, they are still God's children.
 

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From your link:The bill that Obama supported in fact was to teach age-appropriate sex ed, and specifically was to instruct 5 year olds on how to avoid sexual predators and pedophiles!"This is part of what is specifically recommended to the 5-year-old crowd:Level 1 • Human beings can love people of the same gender and people of another gender.• Some people are heterosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone of another gender.• Some people are homosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone of the same gender.• Homosexual men and women are also known as gay men and lesbians.• People deserve respect regardless of who they are attracted to.• Making fun of people by calling them gay (e.g. “homo,” “fag,” “queer”) is disrespectful and hurtful.Byron, that and lot of other stuff in those guidelines look nothing like what the lie you passed on that Obama just wants to teach kindergarteners "how to avoid predators". On the contrary, it looks more like to me Obama wants to teach kindergartners to bend over for homosexuals, to respect the homosexual pedophile molesting them. What an insane age we live in where someone who thinks himself a Christian can vote for a "man" like Obama.
You seem to jump to conclusions alot. Where does it say that "we teach kids to bend over for homosexuals." It doesn't. It just says we should respect as humans beings, just like every Christian should. This is what i would teach to my kids. I of course tell them I and our religion that you are a part of does not approve of homosexuality. However it does not give you the right to disrespect those who are homosexual, even though they are sinning, they are still God's children.Where does it say that they are God's children if they want to live and partake in darkness?
 

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Where does it say that they are God's children if they want to live and partake in darkness?
ROMANS 5:6-8 NKJ6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
 

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Where does it say that they are God's children if they want to live and partake in darkness?
ROMANS 5:6-8 NKJ6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.So to your conclusion, God is evil and allowed sin to enter Heaven. Therefore Satan will live also.
 

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So to your conclusion, God is evil and allowed sin to enter Heaven. Therefore Satan will live also.
Again, like many other people on this forum, you jump to conclusion. Did I ever say that God will allow all sinners into heaven. No. However I do believe it is possible for a homosexual to get into heaven, depending on their other religious values. Remember our God is a forgiving God. He still loves us and is willing to forgive us. However he will still punish some of us.And no he does not allow sinners into heaven. However sinners can be purified and let into heaven.
 

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You seem to jump to conclusions alot. Where does it say that "we teach kids to bend over for homosexuals."
You lied when you told us that Obama only supported teaching kindergartners about avoiding sexual predators. Obama supports comprehensive sexual education for kindergartners which includes, while they are still in kindergarten, to be taught about sexual activity and to be taught positively about homosexual activity.This curriculum that Obama supports doesn't explicitly teach kids to bend over for homosexuals, but positively teaching homosexual behavior implicitly teaches kids to be willing victims of homosexual predators.
This is what i would teach to my kids. I of course tell them I and our religion that you are a part of does not approve of homosexuality. However it does not give you the right to disrespect those who are homosexual, even though they are sinning, they are still God's children.
Jesus died for us while we were still sinners, but he died only for the elect, those who would repent and accept his gift of salvation. No where does the Bible say that every person is a child of God. On the contrary, it is very clear that there are people who are not children of God. (Not that I believe for a second that you think every person is a child of God. I recognize your statement as a liberal contrivance to defend homosexuals and to defend the teaching of young children to be willing victoms of homosexual predators - because the issue is not the homosexuals themselves, but about how government should deal with homosexuality, including in kindergarden.)You tell your children that your religion disapproves... That sounds like you're attacking your own religion. God and Nature hates homosexual behavior.
 

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So to your conclusion, God is evil and allowed sin to enter Heaven. Therefore Satan will live also.
Again, like many other people on this forum, you jump to conclusion. Did I ever say that God will allow all sinners into heaven. No. However I do believe it is possible for a homosexual to get into heaven, depending on their other religious values. Remember our God is a forgiving God. He still loves us and is willing to forgive us. However he will still punish some of us.And no he does not allow sinners into heaven. However sinners can be purified and let into heaven.Depending on their religious values?Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.Quite frankly, this needs to be said.John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.(Follower;61989)
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...This is what i would teach to my kids. I of course tell them I and our religion that you are a part of does not approve of homosexuality. However it does not give you the right to disrespect those who are homosexual, even though they are sinning, they are still God's children.
...Jesus died for us while we were still sinners, but he died only for the elect, those who would repent and accept his gift of salvation. No where does the Bible say that every person is a child of God. On the contrary, it is very clear that there are people who are not children of God. (Not that I believe for a second that you think every person is a child of God. I recognize your statement as a liberal contrivance to defend homosexuals and to defend the teaching of young children to be willing victoms of homosexual predators - because the issue is not the homosexuals themselves, but about how government should deal with homosexuality, including in kindergarden.)You tell your children that your religion disapproves... That sounds like you're attacking your own religion. God and Nature hates homosexual behavior.Where did the bible say that Jesus Christ died for some certain people? Quite frankly, you are wrong.
 

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Where did the bible say that Jesus Christ died for som certain people? Quite frankly, you are wrong.
John 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.Jesus died for those who receive him, not for those who reject him. I have not said anything that is not traditional and biblical Christianity.
 

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John 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.Jesus died for those who receive him, not for those who reject him. I have not said anything that is not traditional and biblical Christianity.
God loves everyone and hates no one. This quote you show us proves nothing to what you are saying. Our God is a loving God, and anyone who says that God hates anyone is disrespecting.God doesn't even hate Satan. The only thing God hates is sin but not the sinner. He will have you punished appropriately for it but will not hate you for it and will offer you repentance.Besides hating is a sin. Are you saying God has sin?
 

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Where did the bible say that Jesus Christ died for som certain people? Quite frankly, you are wrong.
John 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.Jesus died for those who receive him, not for those who reject him. I have not said anything that is not traditional and biblical Christianity.
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John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 4:42 - And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.I John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.I Timothy 4:10 - For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.II Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.(Byron-AW;61997)
God loves everyone and hates no one. This quote you show us proves nothing to what you are saying. Our God is a loving God, and anyone who says that God hates anyone is disrespecting.God doesn't even hate Satan. The only thing God hates is sin but not the sinner. He will have you punished appropriately for it but will not hate you for it and will offer you repentance.Besides hating is a sin. Are you saying God has sin?
God doesn't hate? Are you sure about that? How do you explain God already judged Satan to die the second death? (Ezekiel 28:18) Again if God can't hate? Why did He say this?Malachi 1:2-3 - I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.Romans 9:13 - As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
 

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God doesn't hate? Are you sure about that? How do you explain God already judged Satan to die the second death? (Ezekiel 28:18) Again if God can't hate? Why did He say this?Malachi 1:2-3 - [d] Jacob[/U][/COLOR], And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.[/COLOR]Romans 9:13 - As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Ever heard of though love? God is Satan's father. Satan has disobeyed his father's word. God therefore punishes Satan.Again God is only capable of love but is not afraid to punish those for their actions.