The war before Ezekiel 38

shilohsfoal · Jul 29, 2019

Ezekiel 38:4 KJV: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
Ezekiel 38:5 KJV: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
Ezekiel 38:6 KJV: Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Notice all of Israels neighbors do not invade Israel in Ezekiel 38?Egypt,Iraq,Turkey,Jordan,Lebanon,Syria,Gaza are not there.

The reason is they get wiped out in the war before Ezekiel 38.You should never overlook that war .

shilohsfoal · Jul 29, 2019

Never overlook the war the land recovers from before Gog invades Israel.

Ezekiel 38:8 NIV: After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.

Once you learn of that war,you will understand why none of Israels neighbours (Egypt,Jordan,Syria,Turkey, Lebanon ,Gaza or Iraq invade Israel at the time Gog does.

Keraz · Jul 29, 2019

shilohsfoal said:
Never overlook the war the land recovers from before Gog invades Israel.

Ezekiel 38:8....a land restored from ruin... REBible
Many prophesies describe the event that will 'ruin the land'.
Ezekiel 7:14 says: there will be no war, for their tumult brings forth My wrath and Psalms 83, that is all about this event, triggered by an attack on Israel. Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord will wipe out all of them. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Joel 1:15-20

It will be the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath; Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will directly affect the ME, but will also destroy our modern infrastructure. This event that will commence all the things prophesied before Jesus Returns.

shilohsfoal · Jul 30, 2019

Keraz said:
Ezekiel 38:8....a land restored from ruin... REBible
Many prophesies describe the event that will 'ruin the land'.
Ezekiel 7:14 says: there will be no war, for their tumult brings forth My wrath and Psalms 83, that is all about this event, triggered by an attack on Israel. Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord will wipe out all of them. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Joel 1:15-20

It will be the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath; Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will directly affect the ME, but will also destroy our modern infrastructure. This event that will commence all the things prophesied before Jesus Returns.

Yes it is psalms 83.
Also known as Armegeddon in Revelation.The war takes place 1000 years before Gog ever invades Israel.
The land will be completely restored and the saints will live there in peace and safety having no fear and needing no walls or weapons of any kind.

Proof that they need no walls or weapons is to look at what God does to Gog for coming against his people.

dismas · Jul 30, 2019

I'm not dogmatic about it, but it seems like the sequence could be:

2nd Seal war (aka Psalm 83)
nation state Israel becomes restored from ruin
6th Seal war (aka start of the year of recompense/ 'day of the Lord'/ Isaiah 34:8) (Gog war for nation state Israel)
6th Trumpet war (caps off the end of the 'year of recompense'/ day of wrath) (symbolic Psalm 83 war vs. Christian 'Israel')
start of the WWIII peace treaty/ start of the 2 witnesses 1260 days
Symbolic 'Israel' becomes restored from ruin
6th bowl war (Gog war for Christian 'Israel')
7th bowl ends at 24 Kislev, 7 months after the 6th bowl war
'1000 years'
Gog war of Rev 19

dismas · Jul 30, 2019

Keraz said:
Ezekiel 38:8....a land restored from ruin... REBible
Many prophesies describe the event that will 'ruin the land'.
Ezekiel 7:14 says: there will be no war, for their tumult brings forth My wrath and Psalms 83, that is all about this event, triggered by an attack on Israel. Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord will wipe out all of them. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Joel 1:15-20

It will be the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath; Sixth Seal worldwide disaster that will directly affect the ME, but will also destroy our modern infrastructure. This event that will commence all the things prophesied before Jesus Returns.

I'm curious why you would interpret 'Israel' as 'Christianity', but when you say that Christians will be gathered, you insist that they have to be gathered to literal nation-state 'Israel'.

Keraz · Jul 30, 2019

shilohsfoal said:
Yes it is psalms 83.
Also known as Armegeddon in Revelation.The war takes place 1000 years before Gog ever invades Israel.
The land will be completely restored and the saints will live there in peace and safety having no fear and needing no walls or weapons of any kind.

Proof that they need no walls or weapons is to look at what God does to Gog for coming against his people.

Do not confuse Armageddon with the G/M attack, they are quite separate. As is the final attack, compared with G/M in Revelation 20:7-9
This next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal, will be triggered by Iran and its proxies attempting to destroy Israel. Jeremiah 49:35-37

shilohsfoal · Jul 30, 2019

Keraz said:
Do not confuse Armageddon with the G/M attack, they are quite separate. As is the final attack, compared with G/M in Revelation 20:7-9
This next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal, will be triggered by Iran and its proxies attempting to destroy Israel. Jeremiah 49:35-37

Im not confusing the two.I know and understand the war of armegeddon takes place 1000 years before Gog invades Israel.

The next prophecied event im expecting is Trump establishing a millitary within Jerusalem.

Keraz · Jul 30, 2019

dismas said:
I'm curious why you would interpret 'Israel' as 'Christianity', but when you say that Christians will be gathered, you insist that they have to be gathered to literal nation-state 'Israel'.

We Christians ARE the Israelites of God. Galatians 6:14-16
After all of the holy Land is cleared and cleansed, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Hosea 4:3, it will be repopulated by the Lord's faithful people. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26 In the new nation of Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5

Keraz · Jul 30, 2019

shilohsfoal said:
Im not confusing the two.I know and understand the war of armegeddon takes place 1000 years before Gog invades Israel.

The final attack, Revelation 20:7-9 is not the G/M attack described in Ezekiel 38 & 39. It is just compared with it by reason of the huge numbers of attackers.

shilohsfoal said:
The next prophecied event im expecting is Trump establishing a millitary within Jerusalem.

Where in the Bible is this found?
It will be an attack by the Islamic peoples, that will trigger the Lord's fiery wrath. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 11:4-6

shilohsfoal · Jul 30, 2019

Keraz said:
The final attack, Revelation 20:7-9 is not the G/M attack described in Ezekiel 38 & 39. It is just compared with it by reason of the huge numbers of attackers.

Where in the Bible is this found?
It will be an attack by the Islamic peoples, that will trigger the Lord's fiery wrath. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 11:4-6

So you believe revelation 20 is a lie?
You say this is not Gog here?

Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.

dismas · Jul 30, 2019

Keraz said:
We Christians ARE the Israelites of God. Galatians 6:14-16
After all of the holy Land is cleared and cleansed, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Hosea 4:3, it will be repopulated by the Lord's faithful people. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26 In the new nation of Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5

Yes, but why do you interpret the 'land' of 'Israel' as literal nation state Israel while at the same time you spiritualize 'Israel'? You spiritualize the one, but are literal with the other.

It would seem more consistent to say that the New Jerusalem will not be the literal land mass of Jerusalem in nation state Israel. But maybe you mean that the inhabitants of nation state 'Israel' will become Christians. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you or I will go to nation state Israel.

Keraz · Jul 30, 2019

shilohsfoal said:
So you believe revelation 20 is a lie?
You say this is not Gog here?

Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.

Rev 20 refers to another huge army, this time from all the world; from the four quarters of the world, that will make the final attack against Jesus. They are not the same as the G/M attack onto God's people, from the north, 1000 years earlier.

dismas said:
Yes, but why do you interpret the 'land' of 'Israel' as literal nation state Israel while at the same time you spiritualize 'Israel'? You spiritualize the one, but are literal with the other.

Spiritually; we Christians are now the Israel of God; the Overcomers for Him.
The holy Land, currently occupied by 'evil neighbors' and apostate Israelis, will soon be cleared and cleansed by the Lord and only the faithful Christian people will live there. Jeremiah 12:14-16, Romans 9:24-27

shilohsfoal · Jul 31, 2019

Keraz said:
Rev 20 refers to another huge army, this time from all the world; from the four quarters of the world, that will make the final attack against Jesus. They are not the same as the G/M attack onto God's people, from the north, 1000 years earlier.

Spiritually; we Christians are now the Israel of God; the Overcomers for Him.
The holy Land, currently occupied by 'evil neighbors' and apostate Israelis, will soon be cleared and cleansed by the Lord and only the faithful Christian people will live there. Jeremiah 12:14-16, Romans 9:24-27

So who do you believe is wrong ?
Do you believe God is wrong or do you believe John wrote the wrong name down and John is at fault ?

Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.

Keraz · Jul 31, 2019

shilohsfoal said:
So who do you believe is wrong ?
Do you believe God is wrong or do you believe John wrote the wrong name down and John is at fault ?

Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.

John simply used the name of Gog Magog as a example, symbolic of a vast horde that will again attack the Lord's people.

Careful reading of Ezekiel 38-39, shows that attack cannot happen at the end of the Millennium. Will spiritual people gather up the bones and burn the weapons?

shilohsfoal · Aug 1, 2019

Keraz said:
John simply used the name of Gog Magog as a example, symbolic of a vast horde that will again attack the Lord's people.

Careful reading of Ezekiel 38-39, shows that attack cannot happen at the end of the Millennium. Will spiritual people gather up the bones and burn the weapons?

So you saying this is not the word of God but is insted what John chose to write.
Your saying John chose to call someone oter than Gog by Gogs name.That would dishonest to say the least.
Dont you believe God wouldbe displeased with John to have claimed this is the revelation Godgave to Christ to show his servants the things that must come to pass when they are only Johns words and are faulty?

Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.

I cant see why God would want John to mislead so,many people to believe this is Gog by calling this man by the proper name Gog.

But then again,you said this is Johns choice.Not Gods.

Davy · Aug 1, 2019

The Ezekiel 38-39 Gog and Magog alignment is gearing up today for the end of this world on the last day. God's consuming fire is what will destroy that northern army.

Turkey (old area of Togarmah) is the final nation that will join the Ezek.38 alliance. It is a member of NATO, but it is still a Muslim nation.

Turkey recently purchased some Russian missles, against U.S. wishes. Those missles are designed to take out NATO defenses. So President Trump canceled Turkey's orders for the F35 fighter, and also sent Turkey's pilots in training on American soil back to Turkey.

Turkey is an area to be watching. It will eventually align with Russia.

Keraz · Aug 1, 2019

shilohsfoal said:
I cant see why God would want John to mislead so,many people to believe this is Gog by calling this man by the proper name Gog.

What the Revelation of Jesus Christ says in Rev 20:8, is that this army, from all over the world, will be as numerous as the previous one that came from the North to attack Gods people.
The first attackers are killed by the Lord and buried, Ezekiel 39:11-12, the final attack against Jesus at the end of the Millennium, they are consumed by fire from heaven. Revelation 20:9

Why is understanding this so hard for you?

shilohsfoal · Aug 1, 2019

Keraz said:
What the Revelation of Jesus Christ says in Rev 20:8, is that this army, from all over the world, will be as numerous as the previous one that came from the North to attack Gods people.
The first attackers are killed by the Lord and buried, Ezekiel 39:11-12, the final attack against Jesus at the end of the Millennium, they are consumed by fire from heaven. Revelation 20:9

Why is understanding this so hard for you?

Because it doesnt say that.The word of God says it is Gog.God doesnt say this is someone similar to Gog.God does not say its an army silimilar to Gogs army.
God says thus is the one and only GOG.

Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.

Why can you not believe God ?
Why do you believe God is wrong?

Davy · Aug 10, 2019

shilohsfoal said:
Yes it is psalms 83.
Also known as Armegeddon in Revelation.The war takes place 1000 years before Gog ever invades Israel.
The land will be completely restored and the saints will live there in peace and safety having no fear and needing no walls or weapons of any kind.

Proof that they need no walls or weapons is to look at what God does to Gog for coming against his people.

The old area of Togarmah is equal to today's Turkey. It's the last area to fall to the Gog alignment of nations, and it's in the works today, as President Trump just canceled sending F35s to Turkey, and sent Turkish pilots training on American soil back home; this because Turkey bought Russian missles against NATO wishes, as those missles are designed to attack NATO defenses.

I see the Ezek.38 & 39 events for the very last day of this world, linked with the battle of Armageddon when Jesus returns. The Gog event of Rev.20, I see that as a separate attack at the end of Christ's thousand years reign, and simply using the Gog-Magog label to symbolize Satan's gathering of the rebellious nations one final time.

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