Three Earth Ages!

(Jordan;62109)
....II Peter 3:6 - Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:....
Good job Jordan, and I know you know this but I just wanted everyone else to realize that this verse in II Peter is not talking about the flood of Noah.

(tomwebster;62114)
Good job Jordan, and I know you know this but I just wanted everyone else to realize that this verse in II Peter is not talking about the flood of Noah.
Why do you say that? Noah's world was overflowed with water.

Because Noahs flood did not destroy the World ..IE. Make the earth Perish ...it destroyed man/life 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. This is better seen in the Older Wycliff BiblePeter3: 5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] Noahs flood also had nothing to do with heavens, Noahs flood was never hidden from anybody its part of scripture and legend from every civilization on earth. In KJV Be not Ignorant is a hebrew Idiom the term only occurs in a few places most often where a Hidden or Mystery is being revealed to us

(Follower;62142)
Why do you say that? Noah's world was overflowed with water.
Nothing survived the destruction at the end of the first earth age:form,(H8414) and void;(H922) [tohu va bohu]H8414תּהוּtôhûto'-hooFrom an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.H922בּהוּbôhûbo'-hooFrom an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.Noah's flood had survivors

Just to make sure that I am on the same page as everyone here--- I always believed in different earth ages (but I have to confess I did not think of it that way).The first one existed in Genesis 1:1 and between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 there was a cataclysm. In this first age Satan rules on the throne of this earth. (My mother, a godly woman, always told me that some people believed this)Then the second age is what people erroneously call "creation": which is really recreation, i.e. Adam told to "replenish" the earth which presupposes there was life beforehand. Adam was told to be the master on the throne of the earth (Genesis 1:26) to which Satan was jealous (see the end of my message about the details of this).The third age is Revelation's New heaven and new Earth. This earth will pass away with fervent heat and there will be the White throne Judgment (this is after the Millennium). The Millennium represents the Sabbath, the number seven, and the new earth age is the "eighth" day or new beginnings.Since the earth seemed to have been renovated between the first and second, some believe that the new earth in the end is likewise a renovation. However, the bible teaches that the old one passed away so there are some that believe this is an actual new earth.Now for the part regarding Satan's jealousy: There is apocryphal literature that says that God created man in place of Lucifer to rule the world. Satan and all the angels were commanded to worship Adam. Satan refused to worship a mere clay being and resented losing his throne to a mere man Adam, and thus the battle began. Using this thought in mind, since Christ was the second Adam, the first Adam was supposed to be like Christ, but failed. This may explain the thought behind Hebrews 1:6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.Of course we know that is referring to Christ, but Adam was supposed to have been the same had he not sinned. If we then apply this verse to Adam, we see that the legend of Satan refusing to worship Adam has substance and is perhaps this verse is based on it.

Tim, I just got to point out a single flaw as I can see so far in your post. Adam did not exist in Genesis 1:26-28.
I must respectfully disagree. The reason is this. In Genesis 1-26:28 it says:Let us make man....Man is translated:'âdâmaw-dawm'From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.It was saying let us make "Adam" in our image. Yes, I believe in the possibility of pre-Adamic man, but that could have been earlier.If you note, man in the generic sense is translated H376אישׁ'îysheeshContracted for H582 (or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant); a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term (and in such cases frequently not expressed in translation.) : - also, another, any (man), a certain, + champion, consent, each, every (one), fellow, [foot-, husband-] man, (good-, great, mighty) man, he, high (degree), him (that is), husband, man [-kind], + none, one, people, person, + steward, what (man) soever, whoso (-ever), worthy. Compare H802.God did not create 'îysh, but aw-dawm'

(Jordan;62390)
Yes, let us make man. Genesis 1:26-28 is the Pre-Adamic race. These people were made on the sixth day. (Genesis 1:31) These people were told to muliply everywhere.Whereof the special MAN name Adam where Christ came through existed after the seventh day... lock up in Eden, the Garden of God. No one else, but Eve (after Adam existed) and Lucy.Now I assume that some people believe that Adam was made in the eighth day.
Yes, then the man that was created then in Genesis 1:26-28 was also in God's image. So, what's the difference then between that and Adam, especially in light of Paul's writings? Just curious.As for the man on the eighth day, I missed that one. There's no record of an eighth day in Genesis.I would expect the pre-Adamic race more in the first earth age. The whole point of the second earth age was to recreate that which became a waste and desolation.

Jumping to 2 Peter 3:6, "That same world cleansed, then by water perished" (Wycliff). Wycliff means the world was cleansed by a flood. Wycliff translates flood to "cleansed" to equate this verse with Noah's flood. And, Wycliff is defining "parish" as cleansing, not complete destruction. His sentence structure is a bit awkward, but he uses the word "then" to mean the result of the cleansing, similar to "I flicked the switch, then by the light I could see." All the other Bible translations on your bookshelf agree with Wycliff, God destroyed the world with a flood. The other translations just correctly use a term similar to "flood". If you have a flood, it doesn't destroy the ground or the sky, just possibly what's on the ground. If you still wish to disagree, the language used by the Bibles on your bookshelf in Genesis refer to Noah's flood "destroying" or causing the world to "parish". The Book of Peter is just using the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word in Noah's account. Peter does not say there were no survivors.Backing up to v5, "that heavens were before" (Wycliff). This refers to the original creation, and these are the same heavens that still exist. Peter does not mention their destruction when the world was flooded.Going to Gen 1:2, "idle and void" (Wycliff). Where is the justification to say idle (unused or formless) means destroyed? None of those Bibles on your bookshelf say "destroyed". Those few that say "waste" just mean unused, idle, or formless, as in wasteland which is land that has not been developed. The Hebrew word does not mean "became waste" or "destroyed." Putting aside the Sola Scripture pretense, where do you people really get the "Three Ages" from? Who told you that 2Peter 3:6 does not mean Noah's Flood? Who told you that Geneses 1:2 says that there was an Earth before Genesis 1:2 that was destroyed?

(Jordan;62408)
How did Noah's Flood destroy the Heaven's if nobody was in Heaven except Him?
I don't follow your "if" statement. But, in regard to Noah's flood destroying the Heaven's. It didn't.

(tim_from_pa;62393)
Yes, then the man that was created then in Genesis 1:26-28 was also in God's image. So, what's the difference then between that and Adam, especially in light of Paul's writings? Just curious.As for the man on the eighth day, I missed that one. There's no record of an eighth day in Genesis.I would expect the pre-Adamic race more in the first earth age. The whole point of the second earth age was to recreate that which became a waste and desolation.
What Jordan is aluting to here is that all the races were created on the 6th day and God gave them a command to replenish the earth it is from these people that Cain took his wife from the land of Nod. Adam is not mentioned until after God rested (7th day)and then he is put in a special place a garden and he alone is to protected and to be the Blood line of which Christ would come. Was he given something special when God breathed into his nostrils? Something the races did not have ? It is because Adam was to be the Father of the blood line of Christ that Satan attacked him through Eve in the Garden Now I cant give scripture that says for sure whether Adam was created on the 6th Day or after God rested on the seventh.But he was set aside from the others for a special purpose.

(Jordan;62418)
Then there you go, there is another flood in the bible that speaks of it. About the Three Earth Ages, It's still the same old Earth, just different time period.
There's no mention of any flood in the Bible that destroys the heavens.

This is interesting Jordan, and I am definitely open to this provided scripture can be pieced together to make a definite case.First, let me make sure I understand the lineages as us old genealogists would say.There's at least three---- the "generic" man created the 6th day, Adam on the eighth and then the perverted Kenites between Satan and Eve, right?This makes the theology more interesting. But here's some questions then:1) If "man" was created in God's image and likeness, (which I always alluded to Adam,) but Adam was later formed, then could Adam claim the same properties (i.e. in his image) and what scripture backs that up?The possibility of three lineages do not bother me---- but then if we believe this, we have to make sure we assign the proper characteristics and scriptural promises to each one.2) What about Paul's reference to Adam and Christ? In Adam all die, in Christ all are made alive.Now I have no problem with accepting that death came to all creation because of Adam (c.f. Romans 8) so in that respect all men-like creatures also die, and then in Christ all are made alive. However, there is only a spiritual, not physical or genealogical connection with the original procreators of each lineage. I find in the bible that there is often both a physical and spiritual link.In the case of Luke's genealogy, Christ is traced back to Adam to show that Christ is the kinsman redeemer to all people, just as in Matthew he is the kinsman redeemer of the Israelites.I'll stop there with the questions, but here is another issue I ran into with the book of Jashar:The book of Jashar 1:1-4 states:1. And God said let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and God created man in his own image.2. And God formed man from the ground, and he blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul endowed with speech.3. And the Lord said it is not good for man to be alone; I will make unto him a helpmate.4. And the Lord caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam.....As you can see, the book of Jashar starts out with the creation of "man" and the wording is virtually verbatim to Genesis 2. Yet, this same man that he caused to fall asleep he called Adam. At face value, it very clearly equates the two. This is why apocryphal books shed light on the bible where something may not be all too clear.I always took Genesis 2 as the overview and chapter 3 as the specifics.You know me, I pride myself on believing the bible straightforward. For example, with the lost tribes, I often challenge the skeptics with Genesis 35:11 which speaks of many nations. Most Christianity today either ignores that or spiritualizes it by song and dancing around it.Likewise, I take things at face value. I have to be able to unquestionably defend the lineages by clear scripture otherwise I'd find myself song and dancing to explain something, (or answering contradictions) the very thing I say the critics do.Now, I have believed in the POSSIBILITY of pre-adamic man in the first earth age, now extinct, and that seems to be the consensus when I look on the Internet. Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 clearly shows something happened (that's obvious) but the details are sketchy except for other passages such as Jeremiah 4 that fills in a few precious details. Otherwise, I never used it to establish doctrine, and it bothers me not if someone believes it or not.As for Man and Kenites, I don't know much about them because there is precious little in the bible about the subject, but there is plenty on Adam's race and Israel. So in this case when I am not sure, I'll keep my mouth shut on the topic until further revelations come to me. However, I can teach and believe in what I do know for sure (I wish critics would likewise shut their mouths with topics like the lost tribes instead of arguing something they do not know about).

(tim_from_pa;62393)
Yes, then the man that was created then in Genesis 1:26-28 was also in God's image. So, what's the difference then between that and Adam, especially in light of Paul's writings? Just curious.As for the man on the eighth day, I missed that one. There's no record of an eighth day in Genesis.I would expect the pre-Adamic race more in the first earth age. The whole point of the second earth age was to recreate that which became a waste and desolation.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make(H6213) man(H120) in our image(H6754), after our likeness(H1823): and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Gen 1:27 So God created(H1254) man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. H6213עשׂה‛âśâhaw-saw'A primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and widest application: - accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, bruise, be busy, X certainly, have the charge of, commit, deal (with), deck, + displease, do, (ready) dress (-ed), (put in) execute (-ion), exercise, fashion, + feast, [fight-] ing man, + finish, fit, fly, follow, fulfil, furnish, gather, get, go about, govern, grant, great, + hinder, hold ([a feast]), X indeed, + be industrious, + journey, keep, labour, maintain, make, be meet, observe, be occupied, offer, + officer, pare, bring (come) to pass, perform, practise, prepare, procure, provide, put, requite, X sacrifice, serve, set, shew, X sin, spend, X surely, take, X thoroughly, trim, X very, + vex, be [warr-] ior, work (-man), yield, use.H6754צלםtselemtseh'-lemFrom an unused root meaning to shade; a phantom, that is, (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence a representative figure, especially an idol: - image, vain shew.H1823דּמוּתdemûthdem-ooth'From H1819; resemblance; concretely model, shape; adverbially like: - fashion, like (-ness, as), manner, similitude.Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man(H120) to till the ground. Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed(H3335) man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Gen 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. Gen 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; Gen 2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. Gen 2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. Gen 2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates. Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. H120אדם'âdâmaw-dawm'From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.H119אדם'âdamaw-dam'To show blood (in the face), that is, flush or turn rosy: - be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).H3335יצרyâtsaryaw-tsar'probably identical with H3334 (through the squeezing into shape); (compare H3331); to mould into a form; especially as a potter; figuratively to determine (that is, form a resolution): - X earthen, fashion, form, frame, make (-r), potter, purpose.The adam in Gen 1 and the adam in Gen 2 are the same word " 'âdam, " but the word in Genesis 2 has the particle ha ('eth) in addition to the article it is very emphatic, and means self, very, this same, this very. See Gen. 2:7 (first occurrence), 8, 15.It is 'eth-'Ha adham in Gen 2. The Gen 1 adam is 'adam (no Article) which means a generic man or mankind, humans.The man in Genesis 1 was given the jobs of hunting and fishing. The man in Genesis 2 was to be a farmer so God created farm animals for him to help him with the job of farming. Plus the 'adam in Genesis 1 was 'Created" The man in Genesis 2 was "Formed" or molded.=====This is Appendix 14 in the Companion Bible, it might be of help here:14. THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS USED FOR "MAN". There are four principal Hebrew words rendered "man", and these must be carefully discriminated. Every occurrence is noted in the margin of The Companion Bible. They represent him from four different points of view :-- 1. 'Adam, denotes his origin, as being made from the "dust of the Adamah" ground (Lat. homo).2. 'Ish, has regard to sex, a male (Lat. vir).3. 'Enosh, has regard to his infirmities, as physically mortal, and as to character, incurable.4. Geber, has respect to his strength, a mighty man. I. 'Adam, without the article, denotes man or mankind in general (Gen. 1:26; 2:5; 5:1, followed by plural pronoun). With the article, it denotes the man, Adam, though rendered "man" in Gen. 1:27; 2:7 (twice), 8, 15, 16, 19 (marg.), 22 (twice); 3:12, 22, 24; 5:1; 6:1 (rendered "men"), 2, 3, 4. After this, the Hebrew 'Adam = man or men, is used of the descendants of Adam. Hence, Christ is called "the son of Adam", not a son of Enosh. With the particle ha ('eth) in addition to the article it is very emphatic, and means self, very, this same, this very. See Gen. 2:7 (first occurrence), 8, 15. Rendered in the Septuagint anqrwpos (anthropos) 411 times; ajnhvr (aner) eighteen times (fifteen times in Proverbs); brotovs (brotos), mortal (all in Job); once ghgehvs (gegenes), earth-born, Jer. 32:20. II. 'Ish. First occurrence in feminine, Gen. 2:23, 'ishah = woman. Therefore, 'ish = male, or husband; a man, in contrast with a woman. A great man in contrast with ordinary men (Ps. 49:2, where "low" are called the children of Adam, and the "high" = children of 'ish. So Ps. 62:9 and Isa. 2:9; 5:15; 31:8). When God is spoken of as man, it is 'ish (Ex. 15:3. So Josh. 5:13. Dan. 9:21; 10:5; 12:6, 7. Zech. 1:8, &c.). Also, in such expressions as "man of God", "man of understanding", &c. In the early chapters of Genesis we have it in chapters 3:33, 34 and 4:1. Translated in Septuagint 1,083 times by ajnhvr (aner), Latin vir, and only 450 by anqrwpos (anthropos), Latin homo. It is rendered "husband" sixty-nine times, "person" twelve times, and once or twice each in thirty-nine different ways. III. 'Enosh. First occurrence Gen. 6:4, men of name. Always in a bad sense (Isa. 5:22; 45:14. Judg. 18:25). Morally = depraved, and physically = frail, weak. It is from 'anash, to be sick, wretched, weak, and denotes inability, for strength, physically; and for good, morally (cp. 2Sam. 12:15. Job 34:6. Jer. 15:18; 17:9; 30:12, 15. Mic. 1:9). Note the contrasts, Isa. 2:11 and 17, "The lofty looks of man ('Adam) shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men ('Enosh) shall be bowed down" (Cp. Isa. 13:12. Job 25:6. Ps. 8:4; 90:3; 144:3. Job 4:17; 10:5; 7:17. Dan. 4:16). Other instructive passages are Isa. 8:1; 66:24. Ezek. 24:17 (afflicted, or mourners. Cp. Jer. 17:16, "day of man"). In 1Sam. 4:9 it is probably plural of 'Ish (so probably Gen. 18 and 19, where the indefinite plural must be interpreted by the context, because 'Adam would have denoted human, and 'Ish, males). It is rendered "man" 518 times, "certain" eleven times, and once or twice each in twenty-four other and different ways. IV. Geber. First occurrence in Gen. 6:4 (*1), mighty men, and denotes man in respect of his physical strength, as 'Enosh does in respect of the depravity of his nature. It is rendered "man" sixty-seven times, "mighty" twice, "man-child" once, "every one" once. In the Septuagint rendered fourteen times anqrwpos (anthropos) and the rest by ajnhvr (aner). For illustrative passages see Ex. 10:11; 12:37. 1Sam. 16:18. 2Sam. 23:1. Num. 24:3, 15. 1Chron. 26:12; 28:1. 2Chron. 13:3. Ezra 4:21; 5:4, 10; 6:8. V. Methim (plural) = adults as distinguished from children, and males as distinguished from females. Occurs Gen. 34:30. Deut. 2:34; 3:6; 4:27; 26:5; 28:62; 33:6. 1Chron. 16:19. Job 11:3, 11; 19:19; 22:15; 24:12; 31:31. Ps. 17:14; 26:4; 105:12. Isa. 3:25; 5:13; 41:14. Jer. 44:28.(*1) In Gen. 6:4, we have three out of the above four words : "daughters of men" ( = daughters of [the man] 'Adam; "mighty men" = (geber); "men of renown" = Heb. men ('Enosh) of name, i.e. renowned for their moral depravity.

(Follower;62407)
...Putting aside the Sola Scripture pretense, where do you people really get the "Three Ages" from? Who told you that 2Peter 3:6 does not mean Noah's Flood? Who told you that Geneses 1:2 says that there was an Earth before Genesis 1:2 that was destroyed?
Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel