Followers

soul man · Aug 4, 2019

Not me said:
Yes it is a awesome thing to have a personal relationship with this one Who died to set us free.

Many blessings as we search into this One...Not me

Bless you dear brother

bbyrd009 · Aug 4, 2019

Not me said:
Yes Jesus said; “you must be born again” this is a real birth in us. It, as you know is the Divine Nature come to birth in us at the time we received salvation. Which was by faith. And now it is a matter of that new birth (Divine Nature) growing in us, to rule our life’s.

Blessings my fellow laborer in Christ, Not me

soul man said:
Yes absulutely, we get Christ in his fullness at the new birth and grow in mind to understand that, thanks

ok but let's not forget what happens to the many, if we're going by the Book, ok. Bc that up there is also how we get to many will be deceived right?

bbyrd009 · Aug 4, 2019

Not me said:
Yes it is a awesome thing to have a personal relationship with this one Who died to set us free.

Many blessings as we search into this One...Not me

when you address No Son of Man may die for another's sins and you are no longer comfortable singing When We All Get to Heaven, and you are iow ready to set a toe on the path, you might have occasion to question some of your premises here i guess. No one has ever gone up to heaven

Not me · Aug 4, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
when you address No Son of Man may die for another's sins and you are no longer comfortable singing When We All Get to Heaven, and you are iow ready to set a toe on the path, you might have occasion to question some of your premises here i guess. No one has ever gone up to heaven

Wishing you all the good things in Christ as you search after Him.

May all the joy found in Christ be yours, Not me

bbyrd009 · Aug 4, 2019

"if wishes were horses" eh? "I will steadfastly refuse to address any Scripture that does not comport with my imagination" prolly not the best idea

soul man · Aug 5, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
ok but let's not forget what happens to the many, if we're going by the Book, ok. Bc that up there is also how we get to many will be deceived right?

What is the deception Byrd? How do we identify it.

bbyrd009 · Aug 5, 2019

soul man said:
What is the deception Byrd? How do we identify it.

well idk sm, plenty of ways i guess, but i doubt anyone much wants to address any of them.
few there are who find it
many will be deceived
nowdays i mostly look for ppl who speak from the hegelian dialectic for that?
that have not found the Naive dialectic yet?
"that is this, this is that" type stuff?
followed by lack of engagement @ any address of the points?
No one has ever gone up to heaven
No Son of Man may die for another's sins

Nancy · Aug 5, 2019

soul man said:
Philippines 3:17-18,

17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Now let's look at a very powerful verse of scripture. Paul admonishes us to mark them that have made the change inwardly. They are not just outward talk but they have become examples or patterns that can and should be followed. They represent, if you will, what a Christian is and you can pattern yourself after them. Paul is a our example of what Christianity is, and at the same time he tells them what it isn't also. You understand, Paul being sent to the gentiles who had no upbringing in the things of God as an Israelite had, was dealing with heathens that had multiple gods and knew nothing about the one true God. That is another reason Paul gives so much information on earth living, the gentiles were heathen and lived according to the flesh.

Even the disciples that followed Jesus, when the time came and their test came they miserably failed, not a one stuck with Jesus in his greatest hour of need. Point being just an outer following is not enough you must make the change, changed from an outer believer to an inward knower. You know it's Christ that lives in you, you know you have no life of your own, you have reckoned yourself dead. Simply because that is fact, you don't grow into death, you we're crucified with Christ and you are dead, you have to reckon that before change is made in you.

Those that are never capable of making such a radical change Paul calls them "enemies of the cross of Christ." What is the difference between those that follow and those that follow a pattern. A follower goes by what is in their mind, by what they think it should look like. Those that follow a pattern have the plans like building a house they go by, the blueprint and it turns out. You cannot go by just what you think you need a pattern. Christ in you is your blueprint, Paul is trying when he writes to get us to see Christ as your life because in that you will have the blueprint for life. If you have not been able to put life together yet, regroup some and begin to follow the blueprint.

How do I do that, listen to the Apostle Paul, follow him because he will lead you into the understanding of Christ as the life of the believer, Ephesians 3:1-7,

1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Hi soul man. I love your posts, they are full of treasures. There was one you recently posted and I cannot find it now, I think it was "Who is Jesus". I wanted to come back to it because it was a bit lengthy. One of the things I remember is about how you mentioned the fact that Jesus IS the Word and that, perhaps when Jesus said that only the Father knows when the end will come, could simply be that God has not yet "spoken" it. And I think you mentioned there the question of Jesus being equal to God and, that is where I left off. It was late, I was tired so, I just wanted to say that the post was awesome and opened up some issues I had. Thank you

marks · Aug 5, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
No Son of Man may die for another's sins

So what does this mean to you?

You italicize, are you quoting a Scripture? Or is this just your own wording?

Much love!

marks · Aug 5, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
No one has ever gone up to heaven
No Son of Man may die for another's sins

Quote the verses, let's look at those.

This "heaven" one you mention, do you mean where Jesus says that no one has on their own ascended into heaven? Do you take that to mean that Jesus is saying that no one will ever be taken into heaven?

bbyrd009 · Aug 5, 2019

marks said:
So what does this mean to you?

You italicize, are you quoting a Scripture? Or is this just your own wording?

Much love!

Quoting, google can find it tho. And it means what it means, thats up to you what that means i guess lol. If you think Jesus died for your sins in order to appease God you will read it one way, and if you dont you will read it another i guess

bbyrd009 · Aug 5, 2019

marks said:
Quote the verses, let's look at those.

This "heaven" one you mention, do you mean where Jesus says that no one has on their own ascended into heaven? Do you take that to mean that Jesus is saying that no one will ever be taken into heaven?

you and your sons will be here with me
life, more abundantly
there is only One Immortal
the kingdom of heaven is within you
so, yes, at least in the manner you infer, "death more abundantly"

marks · Aug 5, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
you and your sons will be here with me
life, more abundantly
there is only One Immortal
the kingdom of heaven is within you
so, yes, at least in the manner you infer, "death more abundantly"

I'm sorry, I don't see an answer to my question of you. But that seems to be the way it goes.

Much love!

marks · Aug 5, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
Quoting, google can find it tho. And it means what it means, thats up to you what that means i guess lol. If you think Jesus died for your sins in order to appease God you will read it one way, and if you dont you will read it another i guess

You know, I think the words have meaning themselves. And that's what is important.

I guess I have to just remember that your naive thing doesn't really seek after some actual truth. At least what it sounds like to me. More like, take a surface reading, find a verse that on the surface reads different, and declare there is no absolute truth, nothing that we can know anyway.

So, OK.

Much love!

soul man · Aug 5, 2019

Nancy said:
Thank you

Thank you

amadeus · Aug 6, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
well idk sm, plenty of ways i guess, but i doubt anyone much wants to address any of them.
few there are who find it
many will be deceived
nowdays i mostly look for ppl who speak from the hegelian dialectic for that?
that have not found the Naive dialectic yet?
"that is this, this is that" type stuff?
followed by lack of engagement @ any address of the points?
No one has ever gone up to heaven
No Son of Man may die for another's sins

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." John 3:13
And herein we see those three heavens of which we may have heard tell before... and in the scripture too. Jesus was in all three! How many have each of us even visited?

And then there is this which so many hear you mention and so many do not seem to understand at all. Why is that?

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." Ezek 18:20

bbyrd009 said:
"if wishes were horses" eh? "I will steadfastly refuse to address any Scripture that does not comport with my imagination" prolly not the best idea

"If wishes were horses then beggars would ride" as the rhyme goes. Its meaning is not readily apparent in a society not so dependent upon horses as it was in the past. Who would now wish for a horse when he could wish for an automobile? Then we should remember what Solomon asked of God that first time... He got his wish and more... yet apparently in the end he failed to use to best advantage what he received. Does that sound at all familiar to anyone?

bbyrd009 · Aug 6, 2019

marks said:
I'm sorry, I don't see an answer to my question of you. But that seems to be the way it goes.

Much love!

you and your sons will be here with me strikes me as a pretty succinct answer to your question, marks, what problem are you having with it?

marks said:
I guess I have to just remember that your naive thing doesn't really seek after some actual truth

it is not "my naive thing," and actual truth may certainly still be discerned in the moment on the evidence, i guess anyway? But you are really talking about Absolute Truths, that might be stated to apply to any/all past and future situations, yes? "We're tired of this manna, give us some meat" iow maybe? I guess i just have to remember that you have been raised to reason logically, and only know the Hegelian Dialectic bc that is all we are taught, and Orientals playing baseball games to a deliberate tie is ridiculous to us, yeh?

marks said:
More like, take a surface reading, find a verse that on the surface reads different, and declare there is no absolute truth, nothing that we can know anyway.

marks, it came to my attention a while back that the authors of Talmud intentionally used a dialectic unfamiliar to us in order to hide wisdom from the wise, and we have a thread here about it that i'm sure you are aware of and allowed to comment in if you like.

You have also been invited to state any Absolute Truth that you can find in Scripture, and we have a thread for that too. Ok?

marks said:
Do you take that to mean that Jesus is saying that no one will ever be taken into heaven?

bbyrd009 said:
so, yes, at least in the manner you infer, "death more abundantly"

marks said:
I'm sorry, I don't see an answer to my question of you. But that seems to be the way it goes.

burp!

marks said:
This "heaven" one you mention, do you mean where Jesus says that no one has on their own ascended into heaven?

"on their own" lol, yeh.

bbyrd009 · Aug 6, 2019

soul man said:
What is the deception Byrd? How do we identify it.

ask them about their experience going out in the way of the seventy maybe?

marks · Aug 6, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
you and your sons will be here with me strikes me as a pretty succinct answer to your question, marks, what problem are you having with it?

It doesn't seem so to me. Maybe if you shared a little more of your thought behind posting that little bit of Samuel's convo with Saul?

bbyrd009 said:
I guess i just have to remember that you have been raised to reason logically, and only know the Hegelian Dialectic bc that is all we are taught, and Orientals playing baseball games to a deliberate tie is ridiculous to us, yeh?

One of the many things you don't know about me, is that I grew up playing Go, which, as I recall, the perfect game is a tie. And very difficult to do.

I'm sorry, I don't see an answer to my question of you. But that seems to be the way it goes.

burp!

Noticed the little addition. What gives?

bbyrd009 · Aug 6, 2019

ah, you dont see? meant to be a little joke

marks said:
It doesn't seem so to me. Maybe if you shared a little more of your thought behind posting that little bit of Samuel's convo with Saul?

hmm, not sure how it does not speak for itself? The dead "accepted" Samuel is telling the live "rejected" Saul that you and your sons will be here with me. I have no thoughts on the matter

marks said:
perfect game is a tie

ok well thats an interesting subject change marks, but i dont see the point?

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