Mass Shootings and Gun Control

Bobby Jo · Aug 8, 2019

JohnPaul said:
Stranger I've agreed with what you have said, with today;s Military technology, would our weapons even make a difference, if the Government decided to take us over? ...

Apparently Amazon has a security camera door bell which can be "shared" with the police. -- We ARE being taken over with all the surveillance cameras, license plate cameras, facial recognition technology, and "pin-point" cell phone tracking.

Rev. 13:10 If any one is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes ...

Bobby Jo

Helen · Aug 8, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
We should all wish the best for GOD's creation, especially for the "lost". -- But it IS more challenging when they PREFER to be "lost".

We all make choices,
Bobby Jo

If you are talking about Aspen...then I can assure you...he is far from lost...and ahead of many....even on this site. I have talked to him at length.
Lost no. holds some different views , yes, ...but then again...so do I.

Bobby Jo · Aug 8, 2019

"ByGrace" said:
If you are talking about Aspen...then I can assure you...he is far from lost...and ahead of many....even on this site. I have talked to him at length.
Lost no. holds some different views , yes, ...but then again...so do I.

Yes, I was referring to @aspen, but also many in this Forum whose views appear to depart from Scripture/History/Reality/etc., depending on the Topic/Subject. And where GOD gives HIS Gifts to HIS Creation, some have more and some have less, and some use what they're given and some don't. We should earnestly aspire to not only use what we're given, but to attain that which we desire:

1 Cor. 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts.
1 Cor. 14:1 Make love your aim, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.

Bobby Jo

Lady Crosstalk · Aug 8, 2019

Enoch111 said:
But has the general public been given a comprehensive and cogent analysis of their absurd Leftist/Islamist ideas and their treachery? It is not enough to rely on Twitter or any other approach where there are just sound bites. Mr. Trump should devote a special broadcast from the oval office to the entire nation (and the world) spelling out ALL the dangerous ideas coming from the Left, and how they are destroying (and will) destroy America. At the same time he should expose the unprincipled and shallow RINOs so that the public does not see this as a partisan effort. Has this happened? This is not simply a matter of campaigning but statesmanship.

It is more than likely that a Democrat will simply steal the upcoming election because little or nothing has been done to address voter fraud and how illegals will sabotage the elections. I would not be surprised if the Democrats are churning out fake documents to enable illegals to vote for them.

The problem is that past administrations have put people in place who owe more loyalty to the elite globalist agenda than they do to the country. These "swamp creatures" block any attempt to change the Washington Swamp. Ever heard of the Senior Executive Service?

Stranger · Aug 8, 2019

JohnPaul said:
Stranger I've agreed with what you have said, with todays Military technology, would our weapons even make a difference, if the Government decided to take us over? They practically don't even need as many ground troops as they once did when taking over a foreign country, they use drones to take out Islamic terrorists. Who's to say they wouldn't do the same against us civilians if there were an uprising?

I'm against gun control for law abiding citizens, criminals don't apply for permits or follow the law in carrying firearms, so yes there is a need for firearms and for us to protect ourselves against them, here in New Jersey it's almost impossible to get a permit.

Of course government would do the same against their own civilians. That is the way it survives.

You ask, would our weapons make a differnece? Well, an assault rifle would work better than a sling shot...right?

Taking over a foreign country is different than taking over your own.

Understand...if our people have no stomach for it...if they are not willing to die for their freedom...if they would rather exist as the slaves of the atheistic liberal left rather than give their life for it....then there is no hope. When all you have left is 'guys' and no 'men' then just submit. It would be best.

Stranger

Lady Crosstalk · Aug 8, 2019

Stranger said:
Of course government would do the same against their own civilians. That is the way it survives.

You ask, would our weapons make a differnece? Well, an assault rifle would work better than a sling shot...right?

Taking over a foreign country is different than taking over your own.

Understand...if our people have no stomach for it...if they are not willing to die for their freedom...if they would rather exist as the slaves of the atheistic liberal left rather than give their life for it....then there is no hope. When all you have left is 'guys' and no 'men' then just submit. It would be best.

Stranger

Jesus said these things would come one day. But He also said that no matter what came, He would be with us always. He wins. And because He does, so do we. Much better to die on one's feet as a free person--a child of God--than to die on one's knees, as a slave to Satan. Make no mistake, Satan wants all humans dead but he is willing to enslave some. The day where this will be true again is apparently fast approaching. Submission will mean taking the Mark of the Beast and being damned--dying forever. There will be no middle ground. The blood of the martyrs speaks. They have been selected for honor in heaven for a reason.

Stranger · Aug 8, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Jesus said these things would come one day. But He also said that no matter what came, He would be with us always. He wins--and because He does, so do we. Much better to die on one's feet as a free person--a child of God--than to die on one's knees, as a slave to Satan. Make no mistake, he wants all humans dead but he is willing to enslave some. The day where this will be true again is apparently fast approaching. Submission will mean taking the Mark of the Beast and being damned--dying forever. There will be no middle ground. The blood of the martyrs speaks. They have been selected for honor in heaven for a reason.

Appreciate those words.

Stranger

Bobby Jo · Aug 8, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Jesus said these things would come one day. But He also said that no matter what came, He would be with us always. He wins. And because He does, so do we. ...

Ummmmmmm, it would help if we ALSO FOLLOWED HIS INSTRUCTIONS. And that is that we should not simply have "faith", but also the "WORKS":

Luke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.

If you're not using your "purse", "bag", and "sword", you may be in for a rude awakening, -- preferably using your resources in the context of a "lifeboat-cabin" or "remote-refuge" where you can flee to, much like Lot fled to a cave. And you might want access to water, and a supply of food, fuel, medical supplies, etc. Or -- I understand that crossing your fingers is equivalent.

Bobby Jo

Taken · Aug 8, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
Ummmmmmm, it would help if we ALSO FOLLOWED HIS INSTRUCTIONS. And that is that we should not simply have "faith", but also the "WORKS":

Luke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.

If you're not using your "purse", "bag", and "sword", you may be in for a rude awakening, -- preferably using your resources in the context of a "lifeboat-cabin" or "remote-refuge" where you can flee to, much like Lot fled to a cave. And you might want access to water, and a supply of food, fuel, medical supplies, etc. Or -- I understand that crossing your fingers is equivalent.

Bobby Jo

Several times Jesus fled a crowd.
The Jews will flee Jerusalem to the hills.

Yes, there are times, fleeing from a situation is necessary, for particular things to first be accomplished.

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken · Aug 8, 2019

Gun Control ~ Steady Aim.

Glory to God,
Taken

Reggie Belafonte · Aug 8, 2019

Stranger said:
One has only to look at the history of socialist countries to see how it would go. Ours would be especially brutal due to the race factor.

Stranger

In Australia we don't have a race problem, but the media sure as hell are the ones who try as hard as they can to create one.

We have little pockets of racial problems in some spots, one of my good mates from grad 3 on is a half cast Aboriginal and he was one of the saved generation and lived in a church home till old enough to go see his mum in Redfern NSW a real racist backwards area, he informed me that he could not stand it living down their as all the Blacks were just to far crazy racist for him to put up with and that he could not stand it peddled 24/7 so he came back to our town and never went back to that dump, he claims he is racist himself but not stupid racist like that mob down their are and I agree with him that he has a point as to his perceptions of why he has issues with white people as I understand why it is so and I have no problem with that. he has every right to express himself just as anyone should on any subject at hand without fear of some big brother coming the heavy pointing out what you can say and what not.

I can complain about all the issues on things that I have had to deal with but it will do no good bothering to go on about it, as you will only end up getting the wrong end of the stick anyway regardless most likely anyway. I was saying only last week to a bloke that if I knew what was in store for me in my Trade, that when I got my licence to drive I would of turned the key and drove off never to return, that would of been the smartest thing I ever did.

The thing is that the far right capitalist are just as bad as the far left and that their works only created the far left because people had to try and stand up to such that could not care less about anyone but themselves and then the far left was created and both worked together so as to delude the majority into taking sides and his setup is a win win for both of them radicals that undermine the majority, if only the majority were bright enough to understand, but they never will be. because the radicals have made sure of that with their media, education system, propaganda system.

Butterfly · Aug 9, 2019

Stranger said:
Our gun rights are based on our first 10 amendments to the Constitution of 1787. More commonly known as the 'Bill of Rights'.

This is not our original Constitution. Our original Constitution of 1776 was called the Articles of Confederation. In 1787 a bloodless coop occurred where this Constitution was thrown out the window and a new one created. Which is the one we are now under. But when this one occurred a lot of Americans had doubts about the purpose and intent of this new Constitution. Therefore they who oppossed this new Constitution demanded a 'Bill of Rights' in writing to be attached to this new Constitution. Why? Because they did not trust their government that threw away the other one.

The original framers of this Constitution did not want a Bill of Rights that were demanded by the populace. But they could not get it ratified without it. The Americans knew the importance of guns for 'defense' from oppressors. They were not concerned with hunting. They were concerned with being able to provide a defense from their own government when it comes against them....as governments do.

So this is why it is important...imperative...that the citizenry be allowed assault weapons. To go up against an armed army with only single shot shotguns, and a 22 pistol, is foolish. And the government knows it. The government knows that when the citizens posses assault rifles, they can can be stopped.

In other words, guns are for our protection against government when it turns on you.

Stranger

Sorry for a late response, it's been a busy week and I have also been pondering over what you relayed. I am wondering if the end justifies the means - on one hand, if and when any government turn on its people it is obvious that those with the better weapons are going to be able to defend themselves, and those ( like me ) won't stand a chance. However as far as I am concerned any law that was put in place would be totally irrelevant if that ever happened, and only those with assault rifles ( which is not every citizen of the US ) would be able to defend themselves with any real chance.
Also the government would be able to use a whole range of weopens or means to subdue it's people, so it perhaps would only bide your time.
Also, what if that never happens. ( theoretically speaking ) does that justify all the lives that have been lost so that you have the right to have a more power weopen at hand. Gun control, to me,is about stopping people with mental health issues from being able to get hold of weopens that they can then use on others - so it's not about saying '. ' no ' to everyone, but actually being sensible , and responsible.
This is not a ' leftist ' viewpoint ( well some one is bound to throw that around ) but I kind of think it's a pretty selfish attitude to say ' it's my right ' when others have died as a result of that - it's your right to protect yourself, it's your right to have weopens in your country, but it's your choice to say that every weopen is okay, when clearly it isn't. There is no reason why a constitution cannot have clauses, rules, regulations .......... Out of interest do you have a automatic assault weopen ?
This is just my opinion, viewpoint - it's not based on anything other than mulling it over and weighing things up - I know it won't be agreed with, but I wanted to express it as you had taken the time to explain.
Rita

Stranger · Aug 9, 2019

Butterfly said:
Sorry for a late response, it's been a busy week and I have also been pondering over what you relayed. I am wondering if the end justifies the means - on one hand, if and when any government turn on its people it is obvious that those with the better weapons are going to be able to defend themselves, and those ( like me ) won't stand a chance. However as far as I am concerned any law that was put in place would be totally irrelevant if that ever happened, and only those with assault rifles ( which is not every citizen of the US ) would be able to defend themselves with any real chance.
Also the government would be able to use a whole range of weopens or means to subdue it's people, so it perhaps would only bide your time.
Also, what if that never happens. ( theoretically speaking ) does that justify all the lives that have been lost so that you have the right to have a more power weopen at hand. Gun control, to me,is about stopping people with mental health issues from being able to get hold of weopens that they can then use on others - so it's not about saying '. ' no ' to everyone, but actually being sensible , and responsible.
This is not a ' leftist ' viewpoint ( well some one is bound to throw that around ) but I kind of think it's a pretty selfish attitude to say ' it's my right ' when others have died as a result of that - it's your right to protect yourself, it's your right to have weopens in your country, but it's your choice to say that every weopen is okay, when clearly it isn't. There is no reason why a constitution cannot have clauses, rules, regulations .......... Out of interest do you have a automatic assault weopen ?
This is just my opinion, viewpoint - it's not based on anything other than mulling it over and weighing things up - I know it won't be agreed with, but I wanted to express it as you had taken the time to explain.
Rita

Concerning our government, the U.S, it is quite divided, just like the people are divided. So here it won't play out that the whole government turns against you. The infighting in the government will occur first. This would likely result in actual physical boundaries such as state secession being declared or pursued. Much like our first War between the States. Both sides would have political representation. Just my opinion.

We already have gun control. There are many laws regulating the sale of guns. It is already illegal for one who has mental issues to purchase a gun. When you buy a gun you have to answer questions on a form. You then have to go through a background check done by the FBI. If you have lied on the form, you will not get the gun. If there is anything suspicious in your background you will not get the gun. This ranges from mental health to a dishonorable discharge in the military. If you are a felon you cannot get the gun. If you were charged with domestic violence you will not get the gun. etc. etc. So, understand guns are already regulated.

Guns exist. Just like cars exist. You are always going to have them. You cannot wish them away. The technology to make a gun is known. And in countries that have the most severe gun laws, like Mexico, you still have them. And there are still mass murders...done with guns.

Gun ownership in this country is a right under the Constitution. And it is regulated. But our nation has become very secular. It does not breed a God fearing, Christian people. It breeds an atheistic, violent people. We are seeing the results of that. Instead of government owning up to their guilt in this, it is much easier to say, we must get the guns. Take a gun out of the hand of a mass murderer, he is still a mass murderer. He will just find another way.

Stranger

Stranger · Aug 9, 2019

Reggie Belafonte said:
In Australia we don't have a race problem, but the media sure as hell are the ones who try as hard as they can to create one.

We have little pockets of racial problems in some spots, one of my good mates from grad 3 on is a half cast Aboriginal and he was one of the saved generation and lived in a church home till old enough to go see his mum in Redfern NSW a real racist backwards area, he informed me that he could not stand it living down their as all the Blacks were just to far crazy racist for him to put up with and that he could not stand it peddled 24/7 so he came back to our town and never went back to that dump, he claims he is racist himself but not stupid racist like that mob down their are and I agree with him that he has a point as to his perceptions of why he has issues with white people as I understand why it is so and I have no problem with that. he has every right to express himself just as anyone should on any subject at hand without fear of some big brother coming the heavy pointing out what you can say and what not.

I can complain about all the issues on things that I have had to deal with but it will do no good bothering to go on about it, as you will only end up getting the wrong end of the stick anyway regardless most likely anyway. I was saying only last week to a bloke that if I knew what was in store for me in my Trade, that when I got my licence to drive I would of turned the key and drove off never to return, that would of been the smartest thing I ever did.

The thing is that the far right capitalist are just as bad as the far left and that their works only created the far left because people had to try and stand up to such that could not care less about anyone but themselves and then the far left was created and both worked together so as to delude the majority into taking sides and his setup is a win win for both of them radicals that undermine the majority, if only the majority were bright enough to understand, but they never will be. because the radicals have made sure of that with their media, education system, propaganda system.

Yes, the media will always fuel race problems. Basically it always revolves on you being guilty just because your white.

Stranger

Butterfly · Aug 9, 2019

Stranger said:
Concerning our government, the U.S, it is quite divided, just like the people are divided. So here it won't play out that the whole government turns against you. The infighting in the government will occur first. This would likely result in actual physical boundaries such as state secession being declared or pursued. Much like our first War between the States. Both sides would have political representation. Just my opinion.

We already have gun control. There are many laws regulating the sale of guns. It is already illegal for one who has mental issues to purchase a gun. When you buy a gun you have to answer questions on a form. You then have to go through a background check done by the FBI. If you have lied on the form, you will not get the gun. If there is anything suspicious in your background you will not get the gun. This ranges from mental health to a dishonorable discharge in the military. If you are a felon you cannot get the gun. If you were charged with domestic violence you will not get the gun. etc. etc. So, understand guns are already regulated.

Guns exist. Just like cars exist. You are always going to have them. You cannot wish them away. The technology to make a gun is known. And in countries that have the most severe gun laws, like Mexico, you still have them. And there are still mass murders...done with guns.

Gun ownership in this country is a right under the Constitution. And it is regulated. But our nation has become very secular. It does not breed a God fearing, Christian people. It breeds an atheistic, violent people. We are seeing the results of that. Instead of government owning up to their guilt in this, it is much easier to say, we must get the guns. Take a gun out of the hand of a mass murderer, he is still a mass murderer. He will just find another way.

Stranger

Thanks Stranger, that's helpful to know because I thought that anyone could just go into a shop and buy a gun of any kind, that's certainly the impression I had based on what is relayed, so is that not true ?
Are those rules universal throughout the country, or do they vary from state to state.
So do you have to have a gun licence ?
Rita

Stranger · Aug 9, 2019

Butterfly said:
Thanks Stranger, that's helpful to know because I thought that anyone could just go into a shop and buy a gun of any kind, that's certainly the impression I had based on what is relayed, so is that not true ?
Are those rules universal throughout the country, or do they vary from state to state.
So do you have to have a gun licence ?
Rita

Those laws are Federal laws so that every state has to abide by them. But the state can be even more strict but it cannot be less strict. Such as California, and Massachusetts, where some guns are not allowed at all to be bought or sold.

You don't have to have a gun license unless you want to buy and sell guns, or if you want to carry a gun on your person in the public. And that too varies from state to state.

The big loophole everyone always complain about is the sell of a gun from an individual. Let's say I own a gun. I and a friend are out fishing and talking about guns, and I say I am thinking about selling my 357. He says what would you take? I say, for you, 400.00 dollars. He agrees and pays me and I give him the gun. This sell is not covered by background check or the filling out of any forms. It is just a private sell. And it is still legal.

Yes, the media presents the sell of guns as you believed them to be. When in fact it is not. Just like gunshows. The media presents it that this is a big exchange of guns where millions of guns are being bought and sold and no regulations exist. This is just not true. You go to a gunshow and you have hundreds of dealers. They all must and do go through the forms and FBI background check when they sell a gun.

There are some individuals who bring a gun with them to sell legally as a private sell. They usually walk around with a price hanging off of it. It is a perfectly legal sell, and by passes the forms and background check. Just like the scenario I gave you if I sold a gun to a friend. But this is a small minority of sells.

So as you see, there are plenty of laws regulating gun sales in America. The one who wants to commit a crime will probably break these laws already in the obtaining of a gun. Will it stop him? No. Not because there is not enough laws, but because he is a criminal.

Stranger

Butterfly · Aug 9, 2019

Thanks for answering my questions, appreciate that, and it gives me better understanding as an outsider to the whole issue.
Rita

pompadour · Aug 9, 2019

Stranger said:
Concerning our government, the U.S, it is quite divided, just like the people are divided. So here it won't play out that the whole government turns against you. The infighting in the government will occur first. This would likely result in actual physical boundaries such as state secession being declared or pursued. Much like our first War between the States. Both sides would have political representation. Just my opinion.

We already have gun control. There are many laws regulating the sale of guns. It is already illegal for one who has mental issues to purchase a gun. When you buy a gun you have to answer questions on a form. You then have to go through a background check done by the FBI. If you have lied on the form, you will not get the gun. If there is anything suspicious in your background you will not get the gun. This ranges from mental health to a dishonorable discharge in the military. If you are a felon you cannot get the gun. If you were charged with domestic violence you will not get the gun. etc. etc. So, understand guns are already regulated.

Guns exist. Just like cars exist. You are always going to have them. You cannot wish them away. The technology to make a gun is known. And in countries that have the most severe gun laws, like Mexico, you still have them. And there are still mass murders...done with guns.

Gun ownership in this country is a right under the Constitution. And it is regulated. But our nation has become very secular. It does not breed a God fearing, Christian people. It breeds an atheistic, violent people. We are seeing the results of that. Instead of government owning up to their guilt in this, it is much easier to say, we must get the guns. Take a gun out of the hand of a mass murderer, he is still a mass murderer. He will just find another way.

Stranger

I read an article the other day about Revolution 2.0 The government runs simulated war games ( red team versus blue team ) all the time. the article was about some one that was part of the war game. they broke it down into 14 different parts. ( advantage red team / advantage blue team ) results were always the same. advantage red team. 12 = ( aggressors ) advantage blue team. 2 = Government They have run the war games several times. The Government knows they can't win.

If you take away someones gun, you didn't stop him, you just made them change tactics.

You are right about military and police divided. advantage = Red team.

In the last days the seas and the waves will be roaring = People .

Stranger · Aug 9, 2019

pompadour said:
I read an article the other day about Revolution 2.0 The government runs simulated war games ( red team versus blue team ) all the time. the article was about some one that was part of the war game. they broke it down into 14 different parts. ( advantage red team / advantage blue team ) results were always the same. advantage red team. 12 = ( aggressors ) advantage blue team. 2 = Government They have run the war games several times. The Government knows they can't win.

If you take away someones gun, you didn't stop him you just made them change tactics.

You are right about military and police divided. advantage = Red team.

In the last days the seas and the waves will be roaring = People .

That is interesting.

Yes, their will be great chaos among the people.

Stranger

Bobby Jo · Aug 9, 2019

pompadour said:
I read an article the other day about Revolution 2.0 The government runs simulated war games ( red team versus blue team ) all the time. the article was about some one that was part of the war game. they broke it down into 14 different parts. ( advantage red team / advantage blue team ) results were always the same. advantage red team. 12 = ( aggressors ) advantage blue team. 2 = Government They have run the war games several times. The Government knows they can't win.

If you take away someones gun, you didn't stop him you just made them change tactics.

You are right about military and police divided. advantage = Red team.

In the last days the seas and the waves will be roaring = People .

... that is -- if the people unite in opposition, but they're basically passive. So apparently the "end" won't come with government overthrow, but by international tensions in which nuclear weapons will be deployed. And the existence of mankind will be threatened, but world leaders will cease launching because the extermination of our enemies threatens our own self preservation. And then Jesus will return and the three superpower's lives will be extended for a year and a half until they're integrated into the Millennial Kingdom model.

And according to the Prophetic Psalms concept (J.R. Church, "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms"), we're looking at the FALL of 2021, during a multi-day feast in which no man knows the "day" or the "hour" of that multi-day feast.

Bobby Jo

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