Biblical Foreknowledge

John Caldwell · Aug 9, 2019

Enoch111 said:
If you have a beef with this poster, why don't you just drop it. We can discern what is true and what is not.

I suspect it is like the old west - "there aint room enough for both of us" so he thinks one of us must be censored...meaning I should leave.

Fortunately I am not bullied so easily (not with the "ignore" feature). I have to peek every once in a while but mostly out of curiosity. I am pertty much ambivalent towards people who insult and slander others.

I also like showing people who they are dealing with - and hopefully provide some contrast.

Matthew 5:11-12 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Mjh29 · Aug 9, 2019

Jane_Doe22 said:
Do you believe a man has the will to seek Christ? How about the will to accept Christ?

Depends; Do dead men seek? How about accept; do dead men accept?

John Caldwell · Aug 9, 2019

Mjh29 said:
Depends; Do dead men seek? How about accept; do dead men accept?

Dead men do not seek or accept. Of course, dead men don't sin either.

And dead men tell no tales.

Mjh29 · Aug 9, 2019

John Caldwell said:
Dead men do not seek or accept. Of course, dead men don't sin either.

And dead men tell no tales.

Of course. But dead men DO pay the penalty for sins... or are with Christ in glory.

Oh, and one more thing:

GodsGrace · Aug 9, 2019

Anthony D'Arienzo said:
GH,
I am about scripture ,discussing it, working through it.
If you are not about that, of course you will view me strangely.
I do not worry about that.
I worry about being faithful to the person I am responding to.
I have asked you and the others to respond to the OP.
You do not want to do that. That is your choice, but I cannot be of any help to you then.

Ummm.
I doth object.
YOU are NOT about scripture.

Just because YOU claim how you understand it..
DOES NOT MAKE IT SO.

Romans 1:19-20
HAD ENOUGH ALREADY??

Care to try:
1 Timothy 2:3-6a
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6who gave Himself as a ransom for all,

John Caldwell · Aug 9, 2019

Mjh29 said:
Of course. But dead men DO pay the penalty for sins... or are with Christ in glory.

Oh, and one more thing:

Enoch111 · Aug 9, 2019

John Caldwell said:
I suspect it is like the old west - "there aint room enough for both of us" so he thinks one of us must be censored...meaning I should leave.

Either that or face each other at High Noon. Just kidding.

Jane_Doe22 · Aug 9, 2019

Mjh29 said:
Depends; Do dead men seek? How about accept; do dead men accept?

Hi Mjh29, you and I have chatted before, and I felt the conversation was productive for me to better understand you (thank you again for that).

My question about seeking was posed to Anthony, who does believe that people seek. I know you believe people don't seek, and hence know that this would be a silly question to ask you.

Mjh29 · Aug 9, 2019

John Caldwell said:
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I DO smile like that

Grailhunter · Aug 9, 2019

Anthony D'Arienzo said:
GH,
I am about scripture ,discussing it, working through it.
If you are not about that, of course you will view me strangely.
I do not worry about that.
I worry about being faithful to the person I am responding to.
I have asked you and the others to respond to the OP.
You do not want to do that. That is your choice, but I cannot be of any help to you then.

Mjh29 · Aug 9, 2019

Jane_Doe22 said:
Hi Mjh29, you and I have chatted before, and I felt the conversation was productive for me to better understand you (thank you again for that).

My question about seeking was posed to Anthony, who does believe that people seek. I know you believe people don't seek, and hence know that this would be a silly question to ask you.

I do believe that people seek God; just not of their own accord. It has to come of Him, and to Him, and through Him, as do all things.
No problem; I just like tossing in my 2 cents every now and again

Mjh29 · Aug 9, 2019

Grailhunter said:
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Jane_Doe22 · Aug 9, 2019

Mjh29 said:
I do believe that people seek God; just not of their own accord. It has to come of Him, and to Him, and through Him, as do all things.
No problem; I just like tossing in my 2 cents every now and again

I do appreciate you and your willingness to talk about things, even when we have different views!

God be with you always.

GodsGrace · Aug 9, 2019

Mjh29 said:
Depends; Do dead men seek? How about accept; do dead men accept?

Isn't it nice that YOU are free to join any forum...
BUT YOUR CALVINIST FORUM
only allows calvinists.
You must have some party between yourselves...
since no other Christian agrees with you'all.

How about posting some scripture for your dead man idea and we can handle it.

Something I was not allowed to do at you know where.

John Caldwell · Aug 9, 2019

Mjh29 said:
I do believe that people seek God; just not of their own accord. It has to come of Him, and to Him, and through Him, as do all things.
No problem; I just like tossing in my 2 cents every now and again

I think that the difference between you and a few others can be seen in your signature (the Hodges quote). Sometimes it is not the doctrine held but how that doctrine is held that makes it false.

GodsGrace · Aug 9, 2019

Mjh29 said:

You know what you should do M?

STOP FOLLOWING MEN
And start following JESUS!

Augustine
Pelagius
Arminius
Knox
Luther
Calvin

WOW. It's like you can't even be a Christian unless you know all these guys.

That's called a cult BTW...
When you follow A MAN
Instead of GOD.

Anthony D'Arienzo · Aug 9, 2019

John Caldwell said:
I suspect it is like the old west - "there aint room enough for both of us" so he thinks one of us must be censored...meaning I should leave.

Fortunately I am not bullied so easily (not with the "ignore" feature). I have to peek every once in a while but mostly out of curiosity. I am pertty much ambivalent towards people who insult and slander others.

I also like showing people who they are dealing with - and hopefully provide some contrast.

Matthew 5:11-12 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Lol..
Sure JonC, that is what you are doing.
You can post where you want, just stay away from my posts, and I do not need your accusations, which are a projection of who you are...
I am the one who had to explain your nefarious deeds to these innocents.
It is amazing how wonderful you are,lol

Mjh29 · Aug 9, 2019

GodsGrace said:
Isn't it nice that YOU are free to join any forum...
BUT YOUR CALVINIST FORUM
only allows calvinists.
You must have some party between yourselves...
since no other Christian agrees with you'all.

How about posting some scripture for your dead man idea and we can handle it.

Something I was not allowed to do at you know where.

1.) I was unaware that I had my own forum!

2.) None of the Pharisees agreed with Jesus either... And they too insisted their works could save them; HMMMM!!

3.) Verses the state man's Spiritual Deadness:
~ Genesis 2:16-17
~ Romans 5:12
~ Ephesians 2:1-3
~ Colossians 2:13

John Caldwell · Aug 9, 2019

GodsGrace said:
Isn't it nice that YOU are free to join any forum...
BUT YOUR CALVINIST FORUM
only allows calvinists.
You must have some party between yourselves...
since no other Christian agrees with you'all.

How about posting some scripture for your dead man idea and we can handle it.

Something I was not allowed to do at you know where.

Depends on the forum.

I was a member one forum that only existed to gossip about people on other forums. They censored out disagreeing voices - including mine, which was good because it turned out to be a secret or "private" forum (something I believe a sin). I'm still a member of another that discusses theology (mostly Calvinistic theology) without the gossip. Neither were very interesting, so I missed out the partying forums.

But I enjoy picturing a Calvinistic party, sipping wine under a disco ball and swaying gently to "Harshly and Angrily, Jesus Is Coming".

Mjh29 · Aug 9, 2019

GodsGrace said:
You know what you should do M?

STOP FOLLOWING MEN
And start following JESUS!

Augustine
Pelagius
Arminius
Knox
Luther
Calvin

WOW. It's like you can't even be a Christian unless you know all these guys.

That's called a cult BTW...
When you follow A MAN
Instead of GOD.

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The work of those like the Reformers have laid the safety net to keep us from going off the deep end.

That's called HERESY, by the way.
When you make up something the Bible clearly doesn't say, and then hold to it simply because you refuse to allow yourself to be corrected by others.

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