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QUOTE (Jordan @ Nov 1 2008, 12:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=62466
Your right, Manasseh is not of Judah, however, Ephraim and Manasseh emerged together since they both are the sons of Joseph. (Can't find scripture, but I know it's there)According to tim_from_pa, The US is Manasseh, and it means "forgotten"
Hi guys ! Hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. The Seeds of Jacob are a bloodline, that is called the nation of Israel. Did you know that? Bloodline proof is shown in the genealogy God wrote for us in the Chronicles. Interesting itis from the male. Abraham begat Ishmael, Issac, etc. The bloodline is never passed through the female. And today the Jews still recognize the bloodline just that way as the Lord created it. This is exactly how the Tribe of Judah has kept the bloodline records and is passed down.God knows where his 12 tribes are alive and well today. Why would a Father/Saviorlet the children lose their identity? He would not and he hasn't. In Revelation 7 Christ places a seal is put on all 12 tribes, but only 12,000 out of each one.Is One proof that God knows where they all are and in close proximity for they have to be to all be removed together out of Israel and into the desert. Rev 12:6 for 1260 days. Hosea 2:14 I will lure her into the desert and Speak tenderly to her. Rev 12:15 says the dragon spews water after the woman (Jacob) for they are the woman being spoken about.and this event is described by Isaiah. Isaiah 43:1-2 mentions them being removed by God and going through the waters through much fire and raging waters, it is very interesting to read. God doesn't lie and it is about the tribes being removed, called Jacob, prepared for the time of 1260 days that no lie will be found in them.They will be virgin Israel. For God is seeing to their change. God is moving them out into the wilderness to bring them back with him as Rev 14:1-5 tells us. They are removed from out of their land which is being surrounded by the armies right before the1260 days of the Son of Perdition in the temple. For the woman is taken into the wilderness for 1260 days and we, Christians are in Jerusalem being opposed by the Son of Perdition for 1260 days. Dan 7:25.So, how can you figure that the people in any country is Manasseh or Ephraim, other than Samaria and the citiessurrounding Mt. Ephraim? God has his tribes in their land, though there are those sent out into other countries thatwe brought out by God to serve God's purpose. I gave birth to three of God's little precious children that he set upand predestined for himself to have them. God has made sure that I knew this. We serve a great God that is so powerful nothing will interfere or stop what HE IS DOING> amen. My children are from the tribe of Judah, who by bloodline are due their inheritance with God, but because they alsobelieve in Christ and are baptized they are a completed Jew. God has made it sure that the children know who theyare in their tribe bloodline. All the others know who they are also in the tribes. It amazes me that one would thinkthe Lord so weak, with the tribes being lost, God would not be able to let them know who they are to lead them, the people would lose their identities with God. This is a deception of Satan. Your a Christian, and I am too, would I ever lose my identity? Not a true Christian, and the same is with a true Seed of Jacob. We know our God even if we all are under the shroud/veil. Isaiah 25:7 All nations on the earth are covered in the shroud. In Christ's love Vickie
 

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QUOTE (Vickie @ Mar 21 2009, 12:52 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71127
QUOTE (Jordan @ Nov 1 2008, 12:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=62466
Your right, Manasseh is not of Judah, however, Ephraim and Manasseh emerged together since they both are the sons of Joseph. (Can't find scripture, but I know it's there)According to tim_from_pa, The US is Manasseh, and it means "forgotten"
Hi guys ! Hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. The Seeds of Jacob are a bloodline, that is called the nation of Israel. Did you know that? Bloodline proof is shown in the genealogy God wrote for us in the Chronicles. Interesting itis from the male. Abraham begat Ishmael, Issac, etc. The bloodline is never passed through the female. And today the Jews still recognize the bloodline just that way as the Lord created it. This is exactly how the Tribe of Judah has kept the bloodline records and is passed down.It is interesting to say the least that God knows where his 12 tribes are alive and well today.In Revelation 7 at Christ's placing a seal on all 12 tribes, but only 12,000 out of each one. Rev 12:15 says the dragon spews water after them for they are the woman being spoken about.Isaiah 43:1-2 mentions them being removed by God and going through the waters for Christ istheir only Savior. God is moving them out into the wilderness to bring them back with him as Rev 14:1-5 tells us. They are removed from out of their land which is being surrounded by the armies right before the1260 of the Son of Perdition entering into the temple. For the woman is taken into the wilderness for 1260. Rev 12:6.So, how can you figure that the people in any country is Manasseh or Ephraim, other than Samaria and the citiessurrounding Mt. Ephraim? My children are from the tribe of Judah, who by bloodline are due their inheritance with God, but because they alsobelieve in Christ and are baptized they are a completed Jew. God has made it sure that the children know who theyare in their tribe bloodline. All the others know who they are also in the tribes. It amazes me that one would thinkthe Lord so weak, with the tribes being lost, God would not be able to let them know who they are to lead them, the people would lose their identities with God. This is a deception of Satan. Your a Christian, and I am too, would I ever lose my identity? Not a true Christian, and the same is with a true Seed of Jacob. We know our God even if we are under the shroud/veil. Isaiah 25:7 All nations on the earth are covered in the shroud. In Christ's love VickieWe merely uses the word "lost" is because we humans do not know where the "lost" are. It doesn't mean God doesn't know or God is weak...Ishmael is Abraham's son by Hagar. Not by Sarah. Ishmael is a wild man as he knew God, yet he and his seedline hates God. His seedline does not know what their forefather know... Ishmael's seedline are the Arabs. The muslim people, which right now are worshiping a false god.The promise was passed to Issac, then Jacob. The promise never went to Ishmael.Secondly, the tribe of Dan was not sealed because they are a serpent that rebel against God. (Genesis 49:17)Lastly about which country being what... Have you ever heard a country being called "Manasseh" "Ephraim" in today's times? No. It's a biblical name and not today's name... so therefore we have to search and find.Each member of the Body of Christ has their weakness and strengths.
 

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QUOTE (ActionJackson @ Nov 1 2008, 07:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=62461
The term "Jew" was used to describe those of the tribe of Judah. Someone of the tribe of Judah could possibly be called a Jew but someone of the tribe of Dan or Manassah is not a Jew.
This statement is correct, especially as the word “Jew” is not in the original language, that is a modern word and Bible translators added that into the Bible.All Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews. The descendants of Abraham, Isaac an Jacob are the Israelites and some tribes are the lost and scattered tribes, but still they are the Israelites and one of these tribes, Judah have the “nick name” the Jews.
 

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Romans 228For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.1 Timothy 4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 5Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Titus 38This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. 9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.Ephesians 34Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:Galatians 313Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 

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Romans 228For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.1 Timothy 4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 5Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Titus 38This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. 9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.Ephesians 34Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:Galatians 313Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Hope, if God have genealogies in the Bible and then say "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies" Why did God told us the lineage of Christ to come through by Adam and Eve if we are to avoid genealogies? Genealogies are very important since it is in the Bible.
 

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(not the Yiddish spoken by the serpent seed today)
the serpent seed?
I assume you're asking what is meant by "the serpent seed." See Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." We know that the woman's seed is to be taken literally. Her seed can be seen in two ways. Her seed follows the genetic line from Adam to Seth to Noah to Shem (from whom the term "Semite" stems) to Eber/Heber (from whom the term "Hebrew" stems) to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, followed by the 12 sons of Israel, followed by the 12 tribes of Israel. Jesus Christ can be tied to two of the tribes of Israel: Judah and Levi. Judah was the seedline of kings while Levi was the seedline of priests. Jesus Christ is a King and a Priest. Jesus Christ is the greater "Seed" of the woman spoken of in Genesis 3:15.But you asked about "the serpent seed." If we take the seed of the woman to be a literal seed we have no choice but to take the seed of the serpent in a literal sense as well. We can't spiritualize the one and not the other. Eve was bequiled by the serpent in the garden after which she realized that she was naked. There is great significance in this truth. God created life. Satan convinced Eve that she, too, could be as a god and she conceived Cain by way of Satan the serpent. You will note that Cain is not listed in Adam's genealogy. Cain is the seed of the serpent. He has his own separate and distinct genealogical listing where Adam's name is not present.There is much more to this story but the above is the basis and the "nutshell" version. The most indepth book on the subject that I know of is entitled "The Two Seeds of Genesis 3:15" by Pastor Dan Gayman.
 

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Romans 228For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.1 Timothy 4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 5Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Titus 38This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. 9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.Ephesians 34Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:Galatians 313Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Matthew 1:1-17:"1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations."Romans 11:1:"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."According to Scripture there is great importance placed on seedlines.
 

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I assume you're asking what is meant by "the serpent seed." See Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." We know that the woman's seed is to be taken literally. Her seed can be seen in two ways. Her seed follows the genetic line from Adam to Seth to Noah to Shem (from whom the term "Semite" stems) to Eber/Heber (from whom the term "Hebrew" stems) to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, followed by the 12 sons of Israel, followed by the 12 tribes of Israel. Jesus Christ can be tied to two of the tribes of Israel: Judah and Levi. Judah was the seedline of kings while Levi was the seedline of priests. Jesus Christ is a King and a Priest. Jesus Christ is the greater "Seed" of the woman spoken of in Genesis 3:15.But you asked about "the serpent seed." If we take the seed of the woman to be a literal seed we have no choice but to take the seed of the serpent in a literal sense as well. We can't spiritualize the one and not the other. Eve was bequiled by the serpent in the garden after which she realized that she was naked. There is great significance in this truth. God created life. Satan convinced Eve that she, too, could be as a god and she conceived Cain by way of Satan the serpent. You will note that Cain is not listed in Adam's genealogy. Cain is the seed of the serpent. He has his own separate and distinct genealogical listing where Adam's name is not present.There is much more to this story but the above is the basis and the "nutshell" version. The most indepth book on the subject that I know of is entitled "The Two Seeds of Genesis 3:15" by Pastor Dan Gayman.
Nice to see you again ActionJackson.
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I wholeheartedly agree with your post... it's good to see one with the Truth about the serpent seed.
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Amen!
Matthew 1:1-17:"1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations."Romans 11:1:"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."According to Scripture there is great importance placed on seedlines.
I am not very good at genealogies, but again, I wholeheartedly agree with this one too. Otherwise God would not tell us this if we aren't to know the seedline between Satan's and Christ.
 

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No offense to any one poster, but as a general rule, I always get a kick when someone quotes scripture about avoiding genealogies when the ulterior motive is probably to ditch the subject that they haven't much knowledge about just to avoid the question. As pointed out, the NT Starts with a genealogy, so there goes that theory out the window right there that we should avoid them.
 

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Hope, if God have genealogies in the Bible and then say "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies" Why did God told us the lineage of Christ to come through by Adam and Eve if we are to avoid genealogies? Genealogies are very important since it is in the Bible.
Hello Jordan,.... "neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies" is not speaking of the lineage of Christ and does not rest importance to His lineage, but it is speaking of those who just want to know if they are personally linked "by blood" to the lineage of true Israel. If we find genealogies in the Bible it is for the students and the skeptical that need to research the lineage of Christ, (and a few others in the Bible) and it is not to find out if the Germans, Americans, Spanish or others are by blood linked to the true Israel. ... I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.... if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered ... Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and He said unto him, So shall thy seed be." ...What does "cannot be numbered" mean to you?. Many people search for their lineage because they just want to know if they are part of the Everlasting Covenant made with Israel. Do you know what is behind that? No faith.4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.Maybe some are looking for salvation some other way around, without the faith. 20And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. 21They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
 

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Like I already said, "the ulterior motive is probably to ditch the subject that they haven't much knowledge about just to avoid the question." no matter how eloquently that's stated (about avoiding genealogies). I can name one genealogy that's important---- the lineage to the present ruler on David's throne. It is one of those subtle links to where the tribes of Israel reside (if I may be hilarious using the word subtle since its an understatement). This is important because if other people of other nations are indeed from Israel, then end time prophecy applies to them as well. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd like to know about something that important.
 

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Matthew 1:1-17:"1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations."Romans 11:1:"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."According to Scripture there is great importance placed on seedlines.
I also believe YHVH did not cast away HIS People. It is important to learn the lineage of Christ, as well as Satans, in order to understand YHVHs message. But it is not important to know if a person today, from one country or another, one race or another, if he or she is a true Israelite from one tribe or the other of Israel. You can quote all the Scripture you want that speaks about seedlines and it still wont mean that we need to know today if we are of Judah or Manasseh ... I posted some time ago "Israel, Judah and the Jews" by Lauritz Larson. I had also read, studied and contrasted with the Bible, the blue book "Abrahamic Covenant" by E. Raymond Capt, and a few others. HIS People are all over the world. There is no DNA or country to identify them by. Satans people are all over the world. There is no DNA or country to identify them by.Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 714Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.It is a reply to "True Israel is Alive and Well" and not a reply to Christ lineage.
 

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Ezekiel 3617Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman. 18Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it: 19And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. 20And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land. 21But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Out of where will He gather them? "... out of ALL countries". Out of the USA or England? No, "... out of ALL countries". 25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. 30And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen. 31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations. 32Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel. 33Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. 34And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. 35And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited. 36Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it. 37Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. 38As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.For this to happen, Israel must be ALIVE dispersed through the countries.
 

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For this to happen, Israel must be ALIVE dispersed through the countries.
They were, when they were dispersed the first time. And they will again, for the Tribulation. In addition, they are there from colonization. Some folks see the bad part of prophecy where they are dispersed as in punished, but not the good part where later they form other nations and then colonize as God allows them to enjoy the birthright blessing again.Some elements of the birthright include (but not limited to): a vast physical population, a vast spiritual population, a great nation, becoming many nations, successive lineage of Kings and Kings of nations, an appointed "place" (other than Palestine), they have and give many blessings, powerful people, and so forth. These promises obviously were not recognized in the Jews by Christ's time yet we know that the northern house of Israel was exiled at that time, and the promises went mainly to them, and not the Jews (except for the promise of ruling).In addition, there seems to be some confusion hinted regarding the word "chosen" because whenever the subject is brought up, personal salvation and eternal life is mentioned. That will happen to the chosen "Israel of God". In genealogy, we are talking about the Israel of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. One is chosen of grace, the other is chosen of race. It is possible to be the latter, to inherit the earthly blessings, and still be spiritually lost. The reason why God would bestow blessings of the birthright (and Kings) to such a race was to keep the promise to Abraham because of his faith (i.e. "those of the faith of Abraham", or to put it another way, those who came and inherited because of Abraham's faith, not necessarily their faith). The promises went to them unconditionally despite how they behaved. The ultimate motive was to bring grace to the rest of the world, and in doing so the "Israel of God" as flesh and blood will not inherit the Kingdom of God. However, in the meantime, since we are in a very fleshy world yet, the promises are with the Israelites for the purpose beforehand mentioned, and also it ultimately vindicates God in showing that God kept His promises to the unbelieving people of Israel.If one believes only those who "behaved right" are inheritors of the earthly blessings, then God' promises are void and they missed the whole point of the bible to begin with. As Paul argued (against) that it would be of debt and not by grace. The promises of race were given by God's same grace as those who have spiritual salvation. And again, the former are the chosen of race, and the latter of grace. It is God's hope that Israelites belong to both camps. But again, it is possible to be the elect of race and not grace if they do not believe. And conversely one can be elect of grace, and not race. They are independent in a sense, but ironically the two are inextricably tied with one another since their purpose was for a common goal of God's Kingdom.
 

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I also believe YHVH did not cast away HIS People. It is important to learn the lineage of Christ, as well as Satans, in order to understand YHVHs message. But it is not important to know if a person today, from one country or another, one race or another, if he or she is a true Israelite from one tribe or the other of Israel. You can quote all the Scripture you want that speaks about seedlines and it still wont mean that we need to know today if we are of Judah or Manasseh ... I posted some time ago "Israel, Judah and the Jews" by Lauritz Larson. I had also read, studied and contrasted with the Bible, the blue book "Abrahamic Covenant" by E. Raymond Capt, and a few others. HIS People are all over the world. There is no DNA or country to identify them by. Satans people are all over the world. There is no DNA or country to identify them by.Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 714Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.It is a reply to "True Israel is Alive and Well" and not a reply to Christ lineage.
Well...there must be some importance as to the identity of Israel else Christ and the Apostles would have have made the following statements:Matthew 10:5-7, "5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."Matthew 15:22-26 "22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."James 1:1, "1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting."Hebrew 8:8, "8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:"Luke 1:68, "68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,"Romans 9:3-4, "3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"Based on the above passages (and many, many more) I must believe that God's People, Israel, are alive and well. Christ knows His sheep. Christ is our Shepherd and His sheep know His voice.Revelation 7:13-8, "3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand."I agree that it isn't important for me to know if I'm of the tribe of Gad or the tribe of Manassah. However, I do believe it's important to know racial distinctions. Adam was the first man with "the ability to blush and to show red in the face." That description describes a particular attribute found in one of several races on earth today. True Israel belongs to that race.
 

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Well...there must be some importance as to the identity of Israel else Christ and the Apostles would have have made the following statements:
Jesus came to the Jew first as that is who the covenant was with. The chosen and special people. Until his death the Gentile could not be grafted in, for Jesus' death ended that Mosaic covenant which he fulfilled. As the Gentiles were called dogs and this gentile woman ate the crumbs off the table of the Lord from the Jews whom bread was given.Heb. 8:8 is a promise from God concerning the kingdom of God with Christ reigning here and all things will be new including a lasting covenantwith both Judah and Israel . You're right Israel is alive and well. Have you ever wondered why is God only taking 12000 of each tribe to be sealed? Isn't it better to be under Christ were the multitude is more numerous than the remnant that God is reserving of the tribes to come into the kingdom of God that are under the Mosaic Covenant? Facial distinctions will not be what God is looking at to bring in the PEOPLE OF THE nation HIS IS BUILDING FOR THE KINGDOM HE WILL BE OVER ON EARTH.
 

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Jesus came to the Jew first as that is who the covenant was with. The chosen and special people. Until his death the Gentile could not be grafted in, for Jesus' death ended that Mosaic covenant which he fulfilled. As the Gentiles were called dogs and this gentile woman ate the crumbs off the table of the Lord from the Jews whom bread was given.Heb. 8:8 is a promise from God concerning the kingdom of God with Christ reigning here and all things will be new including a lasting covenantwith both Judah and Israel . You're right Israel is alive and well. Have you ever wondered why is God only taking 12000 of each tribe to be sealed? Isn't it better to be under Christ were the multitude is more numerous than the remnant that God is reserving of the tribes to come into the kingdom of God that are under the Mosaic Covenant? Facial distinctions will not be what God is looking at to bring in the PEOPLE OF THE nation HIS IS BUILDING FOR THE KINGDOM HE WILL BE OVER ON EARTH.
'Vickie' date='10 June 2009 - 09:34 PM' timestamp='1244691240' post='74875']Jesus came to the Jew first as that is who the covenant was with. The chosen and special people. Until his death the Gentile could not be grafted in, for Jesus' death ended that Mosaic covenant which he fulfilled. As the Gentiles were called dogs and this gentile woman ate the crumbs off the table of the Lord from the Jews whom bread was given.
The 10 northern tribes of Israel had been divorced by God and taken into captivity. They were removed from their homeland and scattered abroad. Christ came to "redeem" them. The word "redeem" means to buy back or reclaim. That truth is one of the greatest messages of the Bible and yet most Christians today are totally blind to that truth. The clergy have woefully failed in their duty to teach the true gospel message.
Heb. 8:8 is a promise from God concerning the kingdom of God with Christ reigning here and all things will be new including a lasting covenant with both Judah and Israel.
Though both the northern tribes of Israel and the southern tribes of Judah were "playing the harlot," God only divorced the 10 tribes of Israel. However, most don't know that the Assyrians took all the 10 tribes of Israel as well as most of the two tribes of Judah into captivity. These truths are critically important to a clear understanding of geographical and migratory history. The bulk of those taken captive migrated northward onto the European continent. A portion later traveled over water to the lands we call Canada and the United States of America as well as South Africa. The reason we are being punished today and "taken captive" under the current Obama administration is that we, once again, have played the harlot. Christ will return with His angels and remove the wicked from the world. The faithful will remain. At that time, Christ will make a new covenant with His chosen people.
You're right Israel is alive and well.
And it's not that little band of Christ-hating bandits occupying Palestine.
Have you ever wondered why is God only taking 12000 of each tribe to be sealed? Isn't it better to be under Christ were the multitude is more numerous than the remnant that God is reserving of the tribes to come into the kingdom of God that are under the Mosaic Covenant?
Many are called but few are chosen. Christ isn't interested in quantity nearly as much as He is in the quality of their faith. It's His idea, not mine, to select 12,000 from each of the tribes. I haven't studied the significance of that particular number but I'm sure God has good reason for it.
Facial distinctions will not be what God is looking at to bring in the PEOPLE OF THE nation HIS IS BUILDING FOR THE KINGDOM HE WILL BE OVER ON EARTH.
God created the heavens and the earth and all life upon the earth. For whatever reason, He chose to create life in various forms and colors. Since I reject the theory of evolution in all of its definitions, I must conclude that God created all the races distinct and unique from one another. He, not I, chose a specific people to be a special and peculiar people above all the other people on the earth. Adam's very name describes one of his most distinct attributes. The Israelites are direct descendants of Adam and share his features. 1 Samuel 17:42 describes David thusly, "And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance." That's straight from the Word of God. I didn't write it or make the choice. God did. Who am I to question God and His purposes? David is a direct descendant of Adam while Jesus Christ (in His manhood) is a direct descendant of David. The Canaanite woman had enough faith in Christ that He did answer her prayer and did heal her daughter but the greater message is that "he came not but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Apparently, the Apostles recognized that truth as they were angry with the woman and tried to send her away.
 

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THE MARKS OF ISRAELby COL. GORDON "JACK" MOHRFor Christ and CountryHow strange it is, that with all the definite and positive assurances in the Word of God as to Israel's continuance forever as a Nation, there has never been any continued or persistent effort on the part of genuine Bible believers to find them. That they have been content to let them fade away and vanish into nothingness is surely a deep reproach on all true Christians.There is, however, one probable explanation. It was GOD'S WILL AND PURPOSE TO HIDE THEM. While the Jews (some of whom are only a part of the House of Judah) occupied the stage, and even called themselves "Israel", God could work unhindered with and in "Lost Israel", till he had finished his predetermined work, and without them knowing they were the people of the Book. Only as Israel's time of punishment had run out, with the whole of God's purposes at the point of complete fulfillment, was the identity of Israel to become known.However, it is a matter of inspired record that God placed "marks" on His people Israel. During the Christian dispensation, Lost Israel was to possess these marks of identification. So then, if we can discover the nations and people with Israel's marks, we have found the people whom God chose to serve Him to be a channel of blessing to all mankind. The God-given marks are very many, and while the following list is not exhaustive, they constitute a chain of evidence utterly impossible to ignore.One race, and one race alone, has all these marks. Nations within this race may have only a portion of them, but the race as a whole has them all. With a few exceptions, Joseph (the birthright nation) was the recipient of them all. By inheritance, his two sons, Ephraim (Great Britain) and Manasseh (U.S.A.) will be found possessing them all.While Israelites remain in other countries, America is the home of millions of all the thirteen tribes (one out of many) and thus is representative of the whole House of Jacob. We are bound by Israel's responsibilities; fulfilling Israel's destiny. The MARKS are on us everywhere; in our NAME; in our SABBATH; in our INSTITUTIONS; in our PHILANTHROPY; in our COMMERCE; in our WEALTH; in our MINES; in our AGRICULTURE; in our CHURCHES; in our MISSIONARY ENTERPRISES; in our ARMED FORCES; in our POSSESSION OF THE BIBLE: - all BIRTHMARKS, which neither time, nor the ages, nor even our sin can wipe out.1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.4. Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.7. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2nd Sam. 7:13,19; 1st Chron. 22:10; 2nd Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8,9.10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12. 11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.12. Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.13. Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.14. Israel to continue as a nation forever. 2nd Sam. 7:16, 24, 29; 1st Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.15. Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2nd Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.17. Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25, 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28.20. Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9.22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none. Deut. 15:6; 28.12.23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.24. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12.27. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea". That could not be unless Israel controlled it).28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant.) Heb. 8:10-13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal. 3:13.29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.30. Israel to keep Sabbath forever (one day in seven set aside). Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa. 41:8-14; 43:1-8;44:1-3;49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer. 46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59-21.34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12 (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut. 15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.36. Israel to be the heir of the world. Rom. 4:13.37. Israel to be God's Glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.38. Israel to possess God's Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.39. Israel to be God's Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; 2nd Sam. 7:23; 1st Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14 -18.40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3."YE SEED OF ISRAEL'S CHOSEN RACE,YE RANSOMED OF THE FALL,HAIL HIM WHO SAVES YOU BY HIS GRACE,AND CROWN HIM LORD OF ALL." [End]
 

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The big secret that no one wants to put into print is the fact that the Assyrians continued to call Israel by the name of Omri (Ghomri) even after the nation was destroyed and the Israelites deported to Assyria. This name did not disappear from history, nor did the people of Israel. They were simply given a new name. In fact, the last king of Israel was Hoshea. Thus, Hosea's marriage to Gomer pictured Hoshea's “marriage” relationship with Israel—the king married to his kingdom. It is remarkable that the name of the prophet Hosea would foreshadow the name of the last king of Israel, and that his harlot bride, Gomer, would be the very name that the nations historically called Israel. Hosea is the main prophet of the lost house of Israel, and his marriage with Gomer provides us with the key to finding the lost house of natural Israel. Europe was primarily populated by Gimirra-Israelites migrating from the land of Assyria through the Caucasus Mountains, through the Crimean peninsula, and into Europe. Another group of natural Israelites were called the Sakka, or Beth-Sak (“house of Isaac”). The Behistun Rock is the tomb of Darius the Persian, and it contains an inscription of 23 ethnic groups that Darius ruled. They are each listed three times in three languages. In the Babylonian language the list reads “Matu Gimiri,” or “land of the Gimiri. These same people are called in the Persian language Saka, and in the Susian language Sakka. They lived in what is now modern Armenia, but in those days it was called Sacasene. It was just south of the Caucasus Mountains, where the Assyrians had placed the deported Israelites. This proves that the Saka and Sakka were the same people as the Gimiri (or Gimirra). The Sakka became known to the Roman historians as Saxons and to others as Sacae and Skuths (Scots) or Scythians. They were all the same people and became an immense multitude as Hosea had prophesied. When these ex-Israelites migrated from Assyria through the Caucasus Mountains, they became known to historians as Caucasians. As they settled the dense forests of Europe, they became the first major population to settle in Europe, other than the settlements on the coast of the Mediterranean Sea. In other words, the lost sheep of the house of Israel became the European nations in the modern world. Ethnically speaking, they are called Caucasian, because so many of them crossed the Caucasus Mountains as they migrated from Sacasene into Europe. From there they spread to America, Canada, Australia, and other places around the world. This is the story of natural Israel. All of this is simply a matter of historical record and has been proven by archeology in the past two centuries. There are many books that specialize in the history of the wanderings of natural Israel from Assyria to Europe and elsewhere. Such writings are, of necessity, full of strange-sounding names that are difficult for most people to remember. But all of the history of the lost sheep of the house of Israel can be reduced to the few simple facts that has been shown here. These facts are well known to all historians and are beyond dispute. It is evident that natural Israel is not to be found in the people called “Jews” today, who have done everything in their power to remain separate and distinct from Caucasian natural Israelites. In fact, their desire for separation has largely been based on the fact that natural Israel became Christian in one form or another. So it was a separation based upon religion. If anyone had the right to call themselves Israel, it would have been the Caucasian nations. They did not do so, however, because God stripped them of their name when he divorced them. And no Israelite or ex-Israelite will have the right to take that name again until they fulfill the conditions that God requires for remarriage. They can only become Israel again by accepting Christ as King of Judah and as King of Joseph-Israel. They must first become citizens of Judah by faith in Jesus in the work He did in His first appearance. Then they are eligible to begin moving into Sonship, the second work of Christ that is accomplished through the calling of Joseph-Israel. Not every Christian has that vision or desire, however. Some are content to be true “Jews.” But those who desire to go all the way into Sonship are those who will have the right to the name Israel. Jesus Christ—the God and King of Israel—divorced the House of Israel and then sent her out of His house from 745-721 B.C. But He promised through Hosea and other prophets that she would be betrothed to Him once again (Hos. 2:19, 20) with a view toward remarrying her.This could only take place if Israel's former Husband would die and come back to life. Jesus Christ did this. He then sent His disciples into the world to preach the Gospel to every creature. This included the scattered House of Israel, who by this time were dominant in northern and eastern Asia Minor (modern Turkey). Great numbers of them were still living in “Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,” as we read in 1 Peter 1:1. Peter addressed his letter to these Israelites, saying (The Emphatic Diaglott), 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the sojourners of the Dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 chosen, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of Spirit. . . This was NOT the dispersion of Judah, for this was written before Judah was dispersed. Hence, Peter was not addressing “Jews” living in those areas, but Israelites of an earlier dispersion. Later, in 1 Peter 2:9, 10 he says to these Israelites, 9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. Peter quotes Hosea, reminding them of their past. Hosea's son, Lo-ammi, meant “not my people,” and his daughter's name, Lo-ruhamah, meant “no mercy, or not pitied.” Thus Peter specifically identifies them as ex-Israelites of the dispersion. Peter sent his letter to Christians in those regions. That is, they were converts to Christ from the lost tribes of Israel. And so, on that basis, Peter was able to call them “chosen” once again. He could tell them that they had now become God's people again. He could tell them that they had obtained mercy through Christ's death on the cross. Peter's goal was, of course, to bring all of these ex-Israelites into the knowledge of Jesus Christ, for only in that way could they be married to Him and be “chosen” once again. Likewise, the Apostle James also wrote his letter “to the twelve tribes in the dispersion” (James 1:1). He was not specifically addressing the Judeans, but all the tribes. His letter included those Judeans who were already dispersed, not by the Roman war in 70 A.D. but by moving to other lands. These letters show us how the ex-Israelites of the dispersion may once again become God's people, Israel. With them are gathered many others, as the prophets wrote. Logabe
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ActionJackson @ Nov 1 2008, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe that after the Assyrians captured the 10 northern tribes and 2 southern tribes of Israel and put them into captivity in the land of the Medes and Persians that the Israelites migrated northward into the area we call Europe today. The only segment of the Israelitish population that did not go into Assyrian captivity was that portion of Judah (and Benjamin) that we protected within the three fenced cities. The Babylonians later took that portion of Judah into captivity.</div> Vickie says:May I ask where did you read this in scripture? I would like to engage in this topic with you. Thanks.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Paul was an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin.</div> Vickie says: In I Kings 12:21 the tribes of Benjamin and Judah came together. to make war against the tribes of Israel which was only ten tribes. To this day they remain separated by this act, but as Ezk speaks the prophecy from our Lord that at his coming and setting up the 1000 yr., reign of Christ on earth these 12 tribes will be together forever. Never to be separated again. Paul became very studious in his study of God because Benjamin is connected to Judah to this very day. Judah is where David came from and Christ, through Mary. And as Jesus who serves at the temple today in heaven, has come from this tribe of Judah, which has changed the Laws. Heb 7:12. For no one from this tribe of Judah has ever served at the alter before Christ. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>A major misnomer taught in mainstream Christian churches is that all Israelites are Jews. This is simply a false belief. The term "Jew" was used to describe those of the tribe of Judah. Someone of the tribe of Judah could possibly be called a Jew but someone of the tribe of Dan or Manassah is not a Jew.</div> Vickie says: Hello, I am glad you've posted on this topic. My children are of the tribe of Judah. and yest they are called Jews. The tribes were separated shortly after Salomon's death. He son Rehoboam, his action destroyed the unity between the 10 tribes and the house of Judah. (I King 12:19) The ten tribes are from my exposure called Israelites. They are very much alive and know who they are. The same with the house of Judah. They all know who they are. I speak this with first hand knowledge for my children are of seed of Jacob. The lineage is passed on through the bloodline of the man, not the woman.And has continued to this day. God set up a beautiful and sure bloodline that is not dissolved by any means of men. My children's grandfather comes from Russia and their grandmother. They carried the name change from Lippman to Lipman, when they crossed over and came to Boston, Mass. The Israelites and Jews are so very proud of their bloodline, they have passed this knowledge on consistently to the offspring for all generations. My Son knows that his son is the only one carrying on the bloodline, his two sisters that married gentle men, no longer have. Their children are gentiles by blood. This bloodline has been made holy by God and it is very much alive in the minds of those who carry it.

The Assyrians invaded the northern lands of Israel on at least three different occasions and took all 10 northern tribes captive. Upon the last and final invasion, they didn't stop shy of just the northern lands but also invaded the southern lands of Judah and Benjamin and took a great multitude of the southern tribes captive as well. All the 10 northern tribes and large portion of the southern tribes were removed from their homeland and planted in the area of the Medes and the Persians. Therefore, there was not a complete separation between the warring tribes. Also, as the northern tribes were falling into serious idolatry, many of the northern tribesmen migrated to the southern portion of the land of Israel.

By the way, I am ActionJackson. For some reason, my first account was locked so that I could not enter the site. I had to create a new login in order to participate.