The Trinity is a Lie

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It has been brought to my attention that you're addressing imaginary people on this thread. I'm the only other person posting on this thread at the moment, and you're obviously posting to someone else so I'll just bow out and let you resume your imaginary debate.

Do you not see other people that have participated in this thread? Or do you have them on ignore? You are not the only person that has replied to this thread.
 

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Do you not see other people that have participated in this thread? Or do you have them on ignore? You are not the only person that has replied to this thread.
I don't see anyone but you and me for the last few pages. Normally, if someone I have ignored posts something, it appears as "ignored member", but that's not happening. That leaves just your imagination.
 

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I don't see anyone but you and me for the last few pages. Normally, if someone I have ignored posts something, it appears as "ignored member", but that's not happening. That leaves just your imagination.

We just began page 4, and in page 3 there was a response from justbyfaith, who I replied to. Why am I wasting my time defending who I am replying to? This is stupid. The Torah is still binding. Understand. Believe, and obey.
 

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A man shall not wear women's clothing is not a commandment? Have you completely lost your mind, as if to say drag queens and cross dressers are not committing evil by dressing up in the opposite gender?

A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to Yehovah your God.
Deuteronomy 22:5

You do not know the commandments of God, and neither do you want to. You are a disgrace of a believer, and this is why many believers will be cast out, because of torahlessness, which includes rejecting commandments such as this.

It's always nice to hear sweet words come out of the mouth of those who SAY they know God.
Mathew 15:11
11It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”


And just a few verses above it says this:


Matthew 15:8-9
8‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.

9‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’”

So you believe all of DEUTERONOMY is FROM GOD?
Interesting.

If that were so,,,,JESUS would not have had to CORRECT some laws in the O.T.

And, BTW,,, you didn't reply to why it is that in the time of Jesus
MEN wore long dresses....

Is this not women's clothing?

Also, I DID NOT mention drag queens in my post....
You really should learn to listen...

BUT IT'S HARD TO LISTEN
WHILE YOU PREACH.
 

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It's always nice to hear sweet words come out of the mouth of those who SAY they know God.
Mathew 15:11
11It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”


And just a few verses above it says this:


Matthew 15:8-9
8‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.

9‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’”

So you believe all of DEUTERONOMY is FROM GOD?
Interesting.

If that were so,,,,JESUS would not have had to CORRECT some laws in the O.T.

And, BTW,,, you didn't reply to why it is that in the time of Jesus
MEN wore long dresses....

Is this not women's clothing?

Also, I DID NOT mention drag queens in my post....
You really should learn to listen...

BUT IT'S HARD TO LISTEN
WHILE YOU PREACH.

The Messiah didn't "correct" instructions that were previously given by God, he made the standard of righteousness higher, because certain things were permitted by God then because of the hardness of the hearts of the people then, such as divorce and remarriage, which Moses permitted, but under the Messiah, he instructed that anyone who divorces may not remarry, while the spouse still lives, thus raising the standard of righteousness in this example, not "correcting" what was previously instructed, as if God made an error in what he commanded or permitted. And still you are arguing against the command that men are forbidden to dress as women? Why am I even wasting my time arguing with you. Hopefully someone else will benefit from reading these responses of mine, because I can clearly see you won't, because of the hardness of YOUR own heart in rejecting the obvious, that the Torah of God is still binding. You simply don't want to obey, to your own demise.
 

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This is not true, because even though during the rulership of the Messiah on this earth the earth will be full of righteousness, in obedience to the Torah of Moses which will still not be discarded then, for it is written, "the Torah will go out from Zion" and "the earth will be full of the knowledge of God", there will indeed be few sinners at that time, who will discard even the least of the commands of the Torah in the kingdom of the Messiah, and these are the ones that are written about in Isaiah,

No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isaiah 65:20

So no, the sinners that will exist during the rulership of the Messiah does not justify full out torahlessness now, for it is also written, "many will say to me, did we not cast demons in your name? But I will respond, 'I never knew you, depart from me, you workers of TORAHLESSNESS'".

I have read some of your responses and I do not disagree with you!!! If I may ask, do you relinquish any authority to Judaism ? I only ask because of your Garments! the way you dress! I have never understood the Trinity?????????????? so if it is confusing then maybe it is not of the Father? I do understand that there is only One God, and One Savior, by the which we can be lead by the Spirit of TRUTH, I do believe that the only thing that changed, was that any soul that was willing to do the Will of the Father, as the Son did, would be considered a Servant, Like the Bond Servant that refused to be Free, and declared that He would serve His Master for LIFE. I read the book of Ruth and I see the Gentile who was forbidden to join the Assembly of Israel, for up to 10 Generation's, yet She became an Israelite and the Grandmother of King David.
If you can, Can you some up the Gospel of the Kingdom? Take My Yoke upon you and learn of ME! For My Yoke is Easy, and My Burden is Light. Many people do not understand what our Savior was dealing with concerning the Religious Leaders of His Day! Truth, Truth I Say, If you add to or diminish from the Word of God, you no longer have God's Word, only Man Made Religion. This is only a small part of what I hold to, May Yehovah Bless you and Keep You, May Yehovah make His Face to Shine upon You, and be Gracious to You, May Yehovah Lift up His Countenance upon You, and Give You Peace, In the Name Of Yashua, the Prince of Peace!!
 

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The Messiah didn't "correct" instructions that were previously given by God, he made the standard of righteousness higher, because certain things were permitted by God then because of the hardness of the hearts of the people then, such as divorce and remarriage, which Moses permitted, but under the Messiah, he instructed that anyone who divorces may not remarry, while the spouse still lives, thus raising the standard of righteousness in this example, not "correcting" what was previously instructed, as if God made an error in what he commanded or permitted. And still you are arguing against the command that men are forbidden to dress as women? Why am I even wasting my time arguing with you. Hopefully someone else will benefit from reading these responses of mine, because I can clearly see you won't, because of the hardness of YOUR own heart in rejecting the obvious, that the Torah of God is still binding. You simply don't want to obey, to your own demise.
Jesus CORRECTED doctrine or rules given in the O.T.
You've chosen a good example...
DIVORCE.

Matthew 5:31-32
31“It was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’;
32but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.


You must surely know that when Jesus said
"you have heard it said"....
"BUT I SAY TO YOU"......

He is about to correct something that was
CORRECT then
CORRUPTED and
JESUS IS GOING TO CORRECT THE DOCTRINE.


As to Divorce:

God created Adam and Eve.
This was the first marriage.
Genesis says that woman is "flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone" to the Ah-dam.
They were meant to stay together forever.

Genesis 2:24-25 For this cause the man SHALL LEAVE his father and mother and cleave to his WIFE and they shall become ONE FLESH.

We also read....

MARK 10:9
What God has joined together, let no man separate.

Now, as you've stated...did GOD CHANGE HIS MIND?
Why did Moses allow men to divorce their wives if this was originally prohibited by GOD?

Because Moses made the new rule,
NOT GOT.

This is true for other laws in the Torah..they are clearly created by man.

This is NOT raising a standard...
it's RETURNING A STANDARD to its original form before MAN changed what GOD SAID.

Still no reply on Mathew 5:20
How could our righteousness surpass that of the scribes and Pharisees if they followed the same law YOU are following?
 
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I have read some of your responses and I do not disagree with you!!! If I may ask, do you relinquish any authority to Judaism ? I only ask because of your Garments! the way you dress! I have never understood the Trinity?????????????? so if it is confusing then maybe it is not of the Father? I do understand that there is only One God, and One Savior, by the which we can be lead by the Spirit of TRUTH, I do believe that the only thing that changed, was that any soul that was willing to do the Will of the Father, as the Son did, would be considered a Servant, Like the Bond Servant that refused to be Free, and declared that He would serve His Master for LIFE. I read the book of Ruth and I see the Gentile who was forbidden to join the Assembly of Israel, for up to 10 Generation's, yet She became an Israelite and the Grandmother of King David.
If you can, Can you some up the Gospel of the Kingdom? Take My Yoke upon you and learn of ME! For My Yoke is Easy, and My Burden is Light. Many people do not understand what our Savior was dealing with concerning the Religious Leaders of His Day! Truth, Truth I Say, If you add to or diminish from the Word of God, you no longer have God's Word, only Man Made Religion. This is only a small part of what I hold to, May Yehovah Bless you and Keep You, May Yehovah make His Face to Shine upon You, and be Gracious to You, May Yehovah Lift up His Countenance upon You, and Give You Peace, In the Name Of Yashua, the Prince of Peace!!

My garments are not a matter of practicing judaism, they are a matter of practicing Torah. Modern judaism has veered off into the traditions of men, not what is actually written in the Torah, which is what I concern myself with.
 

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My garments are not a matter of practicing judaism, they are a matter of practicing Torah. Modern judaism has veered off into the traditions of men, not what is actually written in the Torah, which is what I concern myself with.
You forgot to mention if you've made any animal sacrifices lately?
And if not in THE temple...they wouldn't be worth anything anyway.
 
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Jesus CORRECTED doctrine or rules given in the O.T.
You've chosen a good example...
DIVORCE.

Matthew 5:31-32
31“It was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’;
32but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.


You must surely know that when Jesus said
"you have heard it said"....
"BUT I SAY TO YOU"......

He is about to correct something that was
CORRECT then
CORRUPTED and
JESUS IS GOING TO CORRECT THE DOCTRINE.


As to Divorce:

God created Adam and Eve.
This was the first marriage.
Genesis says that woman is "flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone" to the Ah-dam.
They were meant to stay together forever.

Genesis 2:24-25 For this cause the man SHALL LEAVE his father and mother and cleave to his WIFE and they shall become ONE FLESH.

We also read....

MARK 10:9
What God has joined together, let no man separate.

Now, as you've stated...did GOD CHANGE HIS MIND?
Why did Moses allow men to divorce their wives if this was originally prohibited by GOD?

Because Moses made the new rule,
NOT GOT.

This is true for other laws in the Torah..they are clearly created by man.

This is NOT raising a standard...
it's RETURNING A STANDARD to its original form before MAN changed what GOD SAID.

Still no reply on Mathew 5:20
How could our righteousness surpass that of the scribes and Pharisees if they followed the same law YOU are following?

What you say is utter blasphemy, and punishable by death, for saying that the Torah is created by man and not be God, for it is written,

In the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, Moses spoke to the people of Israel according to all that Yehovah had given him in commandment to them
Deuteronomy 1:3

Every single jot and tittle written in the Torah is the inspired word of God, which is why the Messiah said, "until heaven and earth passes away, not one jot or one tittle will pass away from the Torah". You are a torahless believer, a disgrace.
 

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"Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God." 1 Corinthians 4:5

The Lord has not come yet. And, do you think that the light in you is bright enough to "...bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts" ? If you think so, it seems you put yourself in the place of God as only He can know ones heart and the things hidden...
Just saying.
 

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My garments are not a matter of practicing judaism, they are a matter of practicing Torah. Modern judaism has veered off into the traditions of men, not what is actually written in the Torah, which is what I concern myself with.

It was only a question, not a judgement! I have similar Garments, that I use during the Feast's, which are shadow's of thing's to come!!
Initial, Intermediate, and Final fulfillment's !!
 

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The more important commands of the Torah are giving to the poor, which we are also commanded to do, which many of you also refuse to do, and justify your refusal to do good works by saying, "we are not saved by works", as if to say, you are not obligated to do good works, although indeed the Torah commands it, and the Messiah also said, "every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down"

I'm poor... So you won't mind me sending you my address so you can send me some of your valuable coins. Maybe that way I can stop using fiat currency.

The command of wearing tefillin is not a shadow command. It is a plain command given that we must still obey today. Just as affixing mezuzah also is, and just as wearing tallit and tzitzit also are plain commands that are required to be obeyed today. And although they are plain commands that must still be obeyed, they are lesser commands of the Torah.

This is false teaching.

As believers in Christ, we are no longer bound to the letter of the law; but we do obey the spirit of the law (Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

For those who are not in Christ, they are indeed required to obey the letter perfectly (Galatians 3:23, Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48); and will find themselves unable to do so, in order that they might come to the end of themselves and receive Jesus Christ of Nazareth as their Lord and Saviour.

because the Torah of the airflow will be written in the hearts of all men,

Then it will exist throughout eternity...in the hearts of those same men.

So you believe all of DEUTERONOMY is FROM GOD?
Interesting.

If that were so,,,,JESUS would not have had to CORRECT some laws in the O.T.

Jesus primarily showed that certain things had to do with civil law and that certain people were taking them out of context as justififcation for wrong behaviour, such as "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". People were using that scripture as an excuse for exacting revenge.

Now, as you've stated...did GOD CHANGE HIS MIND?
Why did Moses allow men to divorce their wives if this was originally prohibited by GOD?

Because Moses made the new rule,
NOT GOT.

God did make the rule. He made allowance for the children of Israel because of the hardness of their hearts. He was being gracious to them in context of the law that He was giving them.

I have never understood the Trinity??????????????

See posts #1-#4, as well as my other posts, in the following thread, and you may come out the other side understanding it.

Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

My garments are not a matter of practicing judaism, they are a matter of practicing Torah.

Do you sleep in those garments?
 
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What you say is utter blasphemy, and punishable by death, for saying that the Torah is created by man and not be God, for it is written,

In the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, Moses spoke to the people of Israel according to all that Yehovah had given him in commandment to them
Deuteronomy 1:3

Every single jot and tittle written in the Torah is the inspired word of God, which is why the Messiah said, "until heaven and earth passes away, not one jot or one tittle will pass away from the Torah". You are a torahless believer, a disgrace.

Hold off Manure for brains! What you say is utter blasphemy, and punishable by death, for saying that the Torah is created by man and not be God, for it is written. You have to be insane! I swear the sacrilege here is men speaking God that do not have a clue, and who had parents to stupid to teach them manners. Matthew 19:8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. The Torah has nothing to do with Christians...No Mosaic Laws in Christianity...period.
 

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Hold off Manure for brains! What you say is utter blasphemy, and punishable by death, for saying that the Torah is created by man and not be God, for it is written. You have to be insane! I swear the sacrilege here is men speaking God that do not have a clue, and who had parents to stupid to teach them manners. Matthew 19:8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. The Torah has nothing to do with Christians...No Mosaic Laws in Christianity...period.
On the contrary, the law is written on the hearts and in the minds of all those who are under the New Covenant, Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16; Romans 5:5 w/ Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4, Romans 8:7.

Of course it is not the letter of the law but the spirit of the law that will be obeyed by us, Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6.
 

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On the contrary, the law is written on the hearts and in the minds of all those who are under the New Covenant, Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16; Romans 5:5 w/ Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4, Romans 8:7.

Of course it is not the letter of the law but the spirit of the law that will be obeyed by us, Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6.

You have to skip over all that Paul said about the law to get that. You have to ignore Paul's struggle through his whole ministry against people like you. You memorize scriptures but do not understand a thing.
 

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I understand how Paul's statements in the scriptures that I have referenced do not contradict other statements that he made during his ministry.

The law no longer condemns us from the outside; but it governs us from the inside.

If it doesn't govern you from the inside, then you aren't born again of the Holy Spirit.

Bottom Line.

1Co 15:34, Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1Jo 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
 
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I'm poor... So you won't mind me sending you my address so you can send me some of your valuable coins. Maybe that way I can stop using fiat currency.



This is false teaching.

As believers in Christ, we are no longer bound to the letter of the law; but we do obey the spirit of the law (Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

For those who are not in Christ, they are indeed required to obey the letter perfectly (Galatians 3:23, Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48); and will find themselves unable to do so, in order that they might come to the end of themselves and receive Jesus Christ of Nazareth as their Lord and Saviour.



Then it will exist throughout eternity...in the hearts of those same men.



Jesus primarily showed that certain things had to do with civil law and that certain people were taking them out of context as justififcation for wrong behaviour, such as "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". People were using that scripture as an excuse for exacting revenge.



God did make the rule. He made allowance for the children of Israel because of the hardness of their hearts. He was being gracious to them in context of the law that He was giving them.



See posts #1-#4, as well as my other posts, in the following thread, and you may come out the other side understanding it.

Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.



Do you sleep in those garments?
Jesus said MOSES made the rule of the certificate of Divorce.
But you could believe what you will.
 

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Jesus said MOSES made the rule of the certificate of Divorce.
But you could believe what you will.
The law of Moses is the law of God...

God told Moses exactly what the laws would be.

But you can believe what you will.