On what day to you rest?

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All that Jesus did or said was not of Himself. He had entered into that “rest” which yet remained for the people of God. The Sabbath that He kept was the highest form of Sabbath that God intended for man from the beginning. It is to cease from one's OWN works, and desist from speaking one's OWN words. It is to do only what the Father does and to speak only the Father's words. That is the Jubilee rest of Hebrews 4:10. Through Pentecost, the second-level rest experience, we begin to learn how to do this by the leading of the Holy Spirit. Yet Pentecost is a leavened feast that requires fire to make it an acceptable offering to God. It is a time of wilderness training, a time of growth to come to maturity. It is only when we reach the Tabernacles experience that we do this constantly with no fleshly interruptions. Getting back to Hebrews 4:11, we read, 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall through following the same example of disobedience. The “example of disobedience” here is the day Israel refused to enter the Promised Land when the twelve spies gave their reports. It was the day Israel as a nation refused to enter into God's rest, the Jubilee and the feast of Tabernacles. And so, we find that God would not let them enter His rest, and 38 years later, God told them to enter Canaan at the time of Passover, instead of Tabernacles. They crossed the Jordan River on the tenth day of the FIRST month (Joshua 4:19), which was the day the people were to select the lambs to prepare for Passover (Ex. 12:3). Hence, they were given only a first-level Sabbath, based upon Passover. Many years later, the New Testament Church was given a second-level Sabbath, based upon Pentecost. We today are now coming historically into that third-level Sabbath, based upon the fulfillment of the feast of Tabernacles. This Sabbath is not based upon one's work in and of itself, but upon doing the works of God and speaking the words of God. This is how one ceases from his own works, and this was God's intent for us from the beginning. 12 For the Word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. It is not merely the Word of God itself that the author has in mind, but the fact that it is coming through one who has entered into God's rest. When this living Word is spoken, rather than man's words, it will divide soul and spirit and be able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. It is a sword that is much sharper than those dull weapons that are able only to separate men's heads from their bodies. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. When believers are moved by the Holy Spirit and speak the Word of God, all things are laid bare, as we read in 1 Cor. 14:24, 25, 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; 25 the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you. Oh that Christians would use this sword, rather than the swords of men. Then would all men's hearts be laid bare, their thoughts and intents revealed, and all men would be judged righteously by the Spirit in Truth. There is a Hebrew idiom used often in the Old Testament: “the edge of the sword.” The word translated “edge” is from the Hebrew word peh, which literally means a “mouth.” From this idiom comes the biblical teaching that the Word of God is a sharp sword coming from the mouth. Revelation 1:16 says of Christ, “out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword.” What is this “sword”? How does it differ from a carnal sword? The answer is given in Hosea 6:5, 6 in the NASB, 5 Therefore I have hewn them in pieces by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of My mouth; and the judgments on you are like the light that goes forth. 6 For I delight in loyalty [chesed, “mercy, kindness, or compassion”] rather than sacrifice, and in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings. Jesus referred to this in Matthew 9:13, saying, 13 But go and learn what this means: “I desire compassion, and not sacrifice,” for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners. The meaning is this: Men thought that God desired sinners to be cut apart by a physical sword (or knife) as a sacrifice to God. And so we see throughout history all the religious wars where each side is convinced that God desires them to “kill His enemies.” But if they had understood the mind of God, they would have seen that God “kills” men not with a physical sword, but with “the words of My mouth.” That is the sharp sword that God uses. It is the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God (Eph. 6:17). God uses this sword because He delights in mercy, kindness, and compassion, not in sacrifice. For this reason, He gave Israel the Word of the Lord through the prophets, who hewed them in pieces—not by a physical sword, but by the sharp sword that is the tongue speaking the Word of God. This sharp sword was offered to Israel at Mount Sinai on that first Pentecost when God came down upon Sinai and spoke the Word to the people. The people rejected that Sword, however, and so when it came time to conquer Canaan, they were left only with physical swords by which to conquer the Canaanites. The result was a bloodbath. But this does not truly reveal the mind of God. God did not hate Canaanites, nor did He desire that they be sacrificed by the sword. And so when the feast of Pentecost was fulfilled in Acts 2, the disciples in the upper room accepted the Sword of the Spirit. They went out into the street and “killed” 3,000 people with the Sword of Mercy. This was in direct contrast to the 3,000 who were killed at the base of Mount Sinai by the Levites in Exodus 32:28. In each case, a sword was used, but with different results. Under Moses 3,000 men were subtracted from the church in the wilderness; in the New Testament 3,000 were added to the Church (Acts 2:41). And so, in the hands of Spirit-filled Christians, the Word of God is the most powerful sword in the world. Instead of killing Canaanites with a physical sword, Christians are called to “kill the flesh” by means of baptism. The Great Commission in Mark 16:15-18 is based upon this Sword of the Spirit and is to be seen as the contrasting parallel to the command in Joshua's day to kill the Canaanites. Logabe
 

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I'm just saying I rest everyday in Him, not on just a man-made Sabbath.
come on we have gone threw this two many times.if people wish to be fooled then they will be fooled by greater things..jesus said he was lord of the sabbath not the sabbath[he allso said he would give you rest]..you want to say this to justify your sunday keeping go ahead..you wish to decieve yourself go ahead...the bible is not a colouring book so you cannot colour it the way you want...it is plain and simple .you can put your own words to it fine ,you will only get the results of it..its like so many of you want to believe xmas has anything to do with christ....man wake up the beast moves on and the mark is at hand ..put down thoes childish things and stand up for gods truth..[as we learn more and more each day]...i do not judge anyone ,i just warn of the false teaching that is in many churches...
 

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I don't keep any day as the sabbath, because I don't see any New Testament reason to. I don't usually work on sunday, but that is just because after going to two church serices, it doesn't leave much time.
 

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I'm not saying that the Sabbath should be observed as the Pharisees observed it. I'm saying that we should keep it as God intended that we should and we should follow His example. God, Himself, followed His own Law. Was He wrong in so doing?
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Thanks Sasha. Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and we should seek His presence in our lives daily. Not too sure who or how He was substituted as a Sabbath but it goes to show how important it is to follow biblical doctrine rather than the doctrines of men. There is no biblical evidence that God changed His mind and rescinded His 4th Commandment. God changes not!
I agree completely with your both of these replies and with your original post, ActionJackson. I remember the Sabbath (Saturday) and keep it Holy as Christ said to do in the New Testament.I also abide by Christ saying it is not wrong to do GOOD deeds on the Sabbath.
 

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Jesus is the meaning of what the word sabbath stands for man. Rest. For if one is in the Lord Jesus the Christ one is at rest. For as it is written. Man was not made for the Rest / Sabbath, but the Sabbath / Rest was made for man. JESUS CALLES US TO THAT REST. "Come to Me, all you who ar weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. (Matt. 11: 28) Jesus is not talking about a day, but a relationship that inters into a rest be on just a single day. For Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath / rest. He is the Sabbath / rest. A rest / Sabbath that goes be on the physical, a rest that is also spiritual. A rest that brings about peace and Joy. Therefore if you have the Holy Spirit / Jesus in you. You carry the Sabbath / rest everyday in you. That which the written law could not provide for man, Jesus does. For the Law cannot bring salvation to us that try to fulfill it. It can only condem MAN, so that he (Man) would have no other way to salvation, but through the atoning blood of Jesus the Christ. Thus thy burden of againstness towards the laws of God have been given to Jesus, who fulfilled them for us. This also complies to the written Sabbath. A day in which we as Gentiles knew nothing about. As for I. I will rest on the Grace (Loving kindness) of my Lord Jesus. EVERYDAY.
 

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Continue, "He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord" (Rom. 14:6a) I beleive if one man thinks it to be good to keep the Sabbath let it be so. If an others man does not let it be so. Are we who are in Christ Jesus much more than a day. Are we who are in Christ Jesus more thae eating of meat or not eating of meat. What of circumcision? Are we not more than a cuting of the flesh. Instead make up your own mind. It does not take nor does it bring about RIGHTEOUSNESS. As we all know Righteousness comes from neither of these actions. Nor does it come from applying the laws of God. It comes from trusting in the atoning sacrifice of our Lord Christ Jesus. Who fullfiled the complete law of God for us. By allowing the Holy Spirit to manifest its self through us it brings about the Goodness of our Lord so all shall see the Glory of Him who lives in us. Boast in Circumcision, Boast I do not eat meat, Boast in I keep the Sabbath Boast in I keep the laws of God. Boast all you want. Do you want your reward to be of yourself boasting? Ask your self this does your righteousness come from Boasting? Or did your righteousness comes from what Jesus did for you. Thus placing the fullfiled laws of God in our hearts. "May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Jesus the Christ (Through the Holy Spirit) so that with one heart and with one mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus the Christ. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God." (Rom. 15: 5-7) Now some of you may think I am throwing away the law of God. Far be it! I hold to the Law of God, for it is God and it is GOOD. The completed Law of God is in those who are saved by the atoning blood of our Lord Jesus and have the Holy Spirit in them. Therefore, with this gift of Love from our Lord. We must allow the good works of the Holy Spirit to flow through us, so that the Law of love will be manifistated, thus the whole law is affirmed by the Grace of our Lord Jesus the Christ. Thank our LORD God for His mercies.
 

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Oh.. this matter is so unclear to me!! I can see Jordan, Christina and Excepttruth's points here too and they also make sense to me. This is something that is of great significance to me right now because of one of my current jobs.I have been praying constantly for a clear answer about this that I will understand without a shadow of a doubt from the Lord and I know it will come.I am a sound engineer and work at a venue doing live sound for well known musicians and most of the jobs are Friday and Saturday nights and some on Sundays.My predicament is this:Should I continue to do these gigs. Should I treat these as potential opportunities to share the Gospel with currently unsaved 'sinners' or should I be distancing myself from the running of such events? I had already spoken to the owner and promoter of these events who has become a friend of mine and told him I cannot do the gigs....... however, I have had numerous calls from him and others in the industry practically BEGGING me to stay!I just got off the phone to the promoter and told him I could do the gigs that are not on a Friday night (after sunset, start of Sabbath) and he was so relieved. He even said he is happy for me to give out CD's and DVD's of my new 'Judgement Day' project which is going to be a musical version of the Gospel (a task God has given me). I also have permission to hand out flyers that I am planning on making about the sharing of the Gospel with those who are open to it.So, I am still uncertain about whether or not I should do these gigs on the Sabbath. Perhaps the Sabbath is indeed to be Christ as our rest written in our hearts which would mean that every day is to be the Sabbath.Hmmm... now I read this which also makes perfect sense to me, especially the last part I highlighted in Blue.....(Source [url="http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath_questions.asp]HERE[/url])QUOTE
Not Under the Law? Often we hear this argument in an effort to belittle the law of God: "Well, since we are not under the law but under grace, we do not need to keep the Ten Commandments any longer." Is this a valid point? The Bible certainly does say that we are not under the law, but does that imply that we are free from the obligation to obey it? The text is found in Romans 6:14, 15. "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid." How easily we could prevent confusion if we accepted exactly what the Bible says. Paul gives his own explanation of his statement. After stating that we are not under the law but under grace, he asks, "What then?" This simply means, "How are we to understand this?" Then notice his answer. In anticipation that some will construe his words to mean that you can break the law because you are under grace, he says, "Shall we sin (break the law) because we are not under the law but under grace? God forbid." In the strongest possible language Paul states that being under grace does not give a license to break the law. Yet this is exactly what millions believe today, and they totally ignore Paul's specific warning. If being under grace does not exempt us from keeping the law, then what does Paul mean by saying that Christians are not under the law? He gives that answer in Romans 3:19. "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God." Here Paul equates being under the law with "being guilty before God." In other words, those who are under the law are guilty of breaking it and are under the condemnation of it. This is why Christians are not under it. They are not breaking it - not guilty and condemned by it. Therefore, they are not under it, but are under the power of grace instead. Later in his argument, Paul points out that the power of grace is greater than the power of sin. This is why he states so emphatically, "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Grace overrules the authority of sin, giving power to obey God's law. This is the effective reason that we are not under the law's guilt and condemnation and also why Paul states that we will not continue to sin. Suppose a murderer has been sentenced to death in the electric chair. Waiting for the execution the man would truly be under the law in every sense of the word - under the guilt, under the condemnation, under the sentence of death, etc. Just before the execution date the governor reviews the condemned man's case and decides to pardon him. In the light of extenuating circumstances the governor exercises his prerogative and sends a full pardon to the prisoner. Now he is no longer under the law but under grace. The law no longer condemns him. He is considered totally justified as far as the charges of the law are concerned. He is free to walk out of the prison and not a policeman can lay hands upon him. But now that he is under grace and no longer under the law, can we say that he is free to break the law? Indeed not! In fact, that pardoned man will be doubly obligated to obey the law because he has found grace from the governor. In gratitude and love he will be very careful to honor the law of that state which granted him grace. Is that what the Bible says about pardoned sinners? "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31. Here is the most explicit answer to the entire problem. Paul asks if the law is nullified for us just because we have had faith in Christ's saving grace. His answer is that the law is established and reenforced in the life of a grace-saved Christian. The truth of this is so simple and obvious that it should require no repetition, but the devious reasoning of those who try to avoid obedience makes it necessary to press this point a bit further. Have you ever been stopped by a policeman for exceeding the speed limit? It is an embarrassing experience, especially if you know you are guilty. But suppose you really were hurrying to meet a valid emergency, and you pour out your convincing explanation to the policeman as he writes your ticket. Slowly he folds the ticket and tears it up. Then he says, "All right, I'm going to pardon you this time, but ..." Now what do you think he means by that word "but"? Surely he means, "but I don't want to ever catch you speeding again." Does this pardon (grace) open the way for you to disobey the law? On the contrary, it adds compelling urgency to your decision not to disobey the law again. Why, then, should any true Christian try to rationalize his way out of obeying the law of God? "If ye love me," Jesus said, "keep my commandments." John 14:15.
 

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The sabbath is old covenant fulfilled by Jesus as a shadow of things to come.He fulfilled the law. When your mortgage is paid in full you dont make payments any longer. It is fulfilled.Also if you dont think The sabbath is old covenant read Gal:4:21-26 Mount Siani is 10 commandments old covenant.
 

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At the moment with all of my collage work etc i dont really have a day of rest as im doing collage work everyday, but i do go to church twice on a sunday to give me time with god, and also give god time in my life everyday, for me to speak and pray to him
 

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At the moment with all of my collage work etc i dont really have a day of rest as im doing collage work everyday, but i do go to church twice on a sunday to give me time with god, and also give god time in my life everyday, for me to speak and pray to him
If you are in Christ, then you are at rest... I rest in Him everyday.
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If you are in Christ, then you are at rest... I rest in Him everyday.
Amen!I agree .... I wanted to add these verses I believe say it all. Hebrews 4:9-11 (King James Version)9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
 

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If you are in Christ, then you are at rest... I rest in Him everyday.
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Amen!I agree .... I wanted to add these verses I believe say it all. Hebrews 4:9-11 (King James Version)9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.Very nice verses Lookin'4ward. May I add to the verses I believe says it all as well?Matthew 12:8 - For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.Mark 2:28 - Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.Luke 6:5 - And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.It was repeated three times... and one more set of verses that goes with this.Matthew 11:28 - Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.Matthew 11:29 - Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.Matthew 11:30 - For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
 

excepttruth

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Oh.. this matter is so unclear to me!! I can see Jordan, Christina and Excepttruth's points here too and they also make sense to me. This is something that is of great significance to me right now because of one of my current jobs.I have been praying constantly for a clear answer about this that I will understand without a shadow of a doubt from the Lord and I know it will come.I am a sound engineer and work at a venue doing live sound for well known musicians and most of the jobs are Friday and Saturday nights and some on Sundays.My predicament is this:Should I continue to do these gigs. Should I treat these as potential opportunities to share the Gospel with currently unsaved 'sinners' or should I be distancing myself from the running of such events? I had already spoken to the owner and promoter of these events who has become a friend of mine and told him I cannot do the gigs....... however, I have had numerous calls from him and others in the industry practically BEGGING me to stay!I just got off the phone to the promoter and told him I could do the gigs that are not on a Friday night (after sunset, start of Sabbath) and he was so relieved. He even said he is happy for me to give out CD's and DVD's of my new 'Judgement Day' project which is going to be a musical version of the Gospel (a task God has given me). I also have permission to hand out flyers that I am planning on making about the sharing of the Gospel with those who are open to it.So, I am still uncertain about whether or not I should do these gigs on the Sabbath. Perhaps the Sabbath is indeed to be Christ as our rest written in our hearts which would mean that every day is to be the Sabbath.Hmmm... now I read this which also makes perfect sense to me, especially the last part I highlighted in Yellow.....(Source [url="http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath_questions.asp]HERE[/url])
"Does this pardon (grace) open the way for you to disobey the law? On the contrary, it adds compelling urgency to your decision not to disobey the law again. Why, then, should any true Christian try to rationalize his way out of obeying the law of God? "If ye love me," Jesus said, "keep my commandments." John 14:15. Dear AusDisciple, "Now remain in my love. If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commandments (The written laws) and remain in His love. I have told you this so that your joy may be complete." (John 15:9b-11) Jesus is telling us that because He loved His Father He (Jesus) followed the written laws of His Father. Now Jesus in the beginning of this statement tells us if we obey HIS commandments, we will remain in His love. Now let us read what Jesus tells us is His commandments. "My commandment is this; Love each other as I loved you. Greater one has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:12-13) Note: Jesus gives us one commandment, not commandments. Jesus is telling us to be a servent to each other, helping others, even if it means to give up our own lives. Jesus was asked. "What which is the greatest commandment? Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the Second is like it "Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets HANG ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS. So if we are in Christ Jesus and His love is in us. Then it is His love through the Holy Spirit that we will allow to flow through us, Jesus is glorified. So it is not by our doing (Works), but God working through us, by His Holy Spirit. that brings glory to himself. For all are good works are but filty rages seen by God. Yet God, who alone is Good. Maifestates His Good works through us. Therefore, God gets all the credit, in all that we do in His name. The great thing is God honors us with promises after this life of servent hood is complete, witth great things. And all we did was choose to let God do His will through us. How sweet is that! God bless us all, for the great things He has done. I hope this helps you my friend. Excepttruth.
 

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You've certainly given me much to think about, along with the input of everyone else here on this topic. Thank you for your reply, Excepttruth and God bless.
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