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Woe to free willers who say that God does not create evil for thus says the Lord, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHVH do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7)!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "(1) The Twelve mentioned in Matthew 26:20 et. al. does not indicate "only" the twelve, (2) Lord Jesus indicates that the content of John chapters 13-17 applies to all His disciples of all time according to His words recorded in John 17:20, and (3) the "you" in John 14:16 as well as the "you" in John 15:16 referring to all the disciples of Jesus in all time because of the about 120 recorded in Acts 1:15 and Acts 2:1-4 being indwelt by the Holy Spirit as well as the people at Cornelius' place recorded in Acts 10:44 being indwelt by the Holy Spirit"

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "The God Chooses/Elects Unto Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)

- "The 1 Timothy 2:4 Exposited Truthfully That The Work Is Not Of Man Rather The Work Is Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "Demonstrating 'Whole World' Indicates Multiple Meanings Regarding People In First John Where Two Starkly Differing Uses Of 'World' Occur (1 John 2:2 and 1 John 5:19) Post" (in this thread)

- "The Further Use Of 'World' Exposited Truthfully Demonstrating That Belief/Faith In A Believer Is A Work of God - John 3:16 and John 6:29 and John 15:16 Post" (in this thread)

- Prior posted 'woe to you free willers' (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!
 
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Hear the Word of God, GodsGrace, and stop relying on the traditions of men that lead to destruction (Mark 7:8, Colossians 2:8, 2 Timothy 3:13). See my previous post in which the Word of God shames your outright denial of the Word of God, as well as this post much earlier in this thread "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" which has been available for you to read.

The Lord Jesus' words stand "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and anybody who claims otherwise does not believe the words of Lord Jesus, and the Lord Jesus said this about people that do not believe the word of His "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell - and great was its fall" (Matthew 7:26-27) and "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words" (John 14:23-24).

I did not choose Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus chose Me. I am eternally grateful for His wonderful, loving work!

You claim to have chose Jesus; therefore, you claim ot do exactly that which He said you cannot do; therefore, your claim is consistent with not believing His words.
Could you stop stating your opinion and post some verses that support your theory.
Except of course for John 15:16 which is Jesus speaking about having chosen the apostles.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(16) Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.—Comp. Luke 6:12 et seq., and in this Gospel John 6:70; John 13:18. The thought of His love for them, which had exalted them from the position of slaves to friends, from fishermen to Apostles, is made to remind them again (John 15:17) of the duty of love to each other. In John 15:20 he reminds them of the words which accompanied His own act of humility in washing their feet (John 13:15-16). The chiefest Apostle owed all to His gift and election, and should be ready to sacrifice all for his brethren, as He Himself was.


Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Ye have not chosen me - The word here translated "chosen" is that from which is derived the word "elect," and means the same thing. It is frequently thus translated,
Mark 13:20; Matthew 24:22, Matthew 24:24, Matthew 24:31; Colossians 3:12. It refers here, doubtless, to his choosing or electing them to be apostles. He says that it was not because they had chosen him to be their teacher and guide, but because he had designated them to be his apostles. See John 6:70; also Matthew 4:18-22.


Matthew Poole's Commentary
Ye have not chosen me to be your Lord, Master, Saviour,


but I have chosen and ordained you; so we have it in our translation; but the Greek is, eyhka, I have set you, or placed you in a station. What choosing Christ here speaks of is doubted amongst various divines. Some think that our Saviour here speaks of his choice of them to the apostleship, as Luke 6:13 John 6:70: those who thus understand it, understand by going and bringing forth fruit, the apostles’ going out, preaching, and baptizing all nations, bringing forth fruit amongst the Gentiles.


Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
16. Ye have not, &c.] Better, Ye chose Me not, but I chose you: ‘Ye’ and ‘I’ are emphatic; there is no emphasis on ‘Me.’ The reference is to their election to be Apostles, as the very word used seems to imply (comp.
John 6:70, John 13:18; Acts 1:2); therefore the aorist as referring to a definite act in the past should be preserved in translation.

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Sometimes commentaries of biblical scholars come in handy.
You should use them every now and then and not only read
what YOUR theology teaches...it's good to know what the verses REALLY mean.

John 15:16 IS REFERRING TO THE APOSTLES.

Jesus CHOSE THE APOSTLES....

But WE CHOOSE CHRIST.
 

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Could you stop stating your opinion and post some verses that support your theory.
Except of course for John 15:16 which is Jesus speaking about having chosen the apostles.
...snip...
Sometimes commentaries of biblical scholars come in handy.
You should use them every now and then and not only read
what YOUR theology teaches...it's good to know what the verses REALLY mean.

John 15:16 IS REFERRING TO THE APOSTLES.

Jesus CHOSE THE APOSTLES....

But WE CHOOSE CHRIST.
It is proper to stick with the Word of God, yet you appear to stick with the traditions of men (some people's interpretation).

Your opinion is incomplete in that you say that Jesus chose the Apostles - which He did, but then you introduce your opinion that you chose Jesus - which is direct oppostion to the context that Jesus, the Word of God, presented. Behold the Word of God.

Jesus, Lord and God (John 20:28), said "I chose you out of the world" in John 15:19 - three verses after John 15:16 where Jesus said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you". This passage is about salvation.

John recorded that Lord Jesus said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20).

Since John chapters 13 - 17 include a single supper encounter, this means that John 15:16 and John 15:19 are words for all of God's children; in other word, the Lord Jesus' words in John 15:16 and John 15:19 apply to all believers in all time.

You cannot choose Jesus. You can only choose a false god. THE SON OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST, SAID THAT A PERSON CANNOT CHOOSE JESUS (John 15:16).

GodsGrace, are you blind? I have posted very many contextually accurate verses again and again that demonstrate that it is God that chooses people not the other way around. Despite the Word of God clearly visible, you state the opposite of the Word of God!

You need to rely on the Word of God not commentaries for Lord Jesus also said "if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit" (Matthew 15:14).
 
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It is proper to stick with the Word of God, yet you appear to stick with the traditions of men (some people's interpretation).

Your opinion is incomplete in that you say that Jesus chose the Apostles - which He did, but then you introduce your opinion that you chose Jesus - which is direct oppostion to the context that Jesus, the Word of God, presented. Behold the Word of God.

Jesus, Lord and God (John 20:28), said "I chose you out of the world" in John 15:19 - three verses after John 15:16 where Jesus said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you". This passage is about salvation.

John recorded that Lord Jesus said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20).

Since John chapters 13 - 17 include a single supper encounter, this means that John 15:16 and John 15:19 are words for all of God's children; in other word, the Lord Jesus' words in John 15:16 and John 15:19 apply to all believers in all time.

You cannot choose Jesus. You can only choose a false god. THE SON OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST, SAID THAT A PERSON CANNOT CHOOSE JESUS (John 15:16).

GodsGrace, are you blind? I have posted very many contextually accurate verses again and again that demonstrate that it is God that chooses people not the other way around. Despite the Word of God clearly visible, you state the opposite of the Word of God!

You need to rely on the Word of God not commentaries for Lord Jesus also said "if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit" (Matthew 15:14).
K,
Since YOU are following a man named Calvin, I'd said it's rather funny that you tell ME I'M following a man.

Which man would that be?

If you don't understand John 15:16,,,,you really should find some way to really understand it.
YOU can say it means all of us,,,but you're wrong of course.

There are biblical scholars who write commentaries, which I have posted and there are many more,,,so that persons such as yourself that do not seem to comprehend scripture, can go to and KNOW WHAT A VERSE REALLY MEANS.

Your church has trained you to respond to commentaries by accusing the person who posts them to say that that person is relying on commentators.

If you noticed,,,I never posted any commentator UNTIL you INSISTED on wanting to be correct.

This can only mean that you DO NOT understand scripture and should start from the beginning so you could learn the truth.

And since we're off course and are not speaking about scripture but you've become personal...
I see no further reason to post at this time.

I DO recommend that you learn about Christianity.


P.S. You said this above:
John recorded that Lord Jesus said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20).

You don't even realize that your statement proves MY POINT.
In John 17:20 Jesus said NOT ON BEHALF OF THESE ALONE...
Perhaps He meant the APOSTLES,,,as I've been stating?
THESE ALONE are the apostles in John 15:16

AND in 17:20 Jesus also prays for us.
So easy.
 

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K,
Since YOU are following a man named Calvin, I'd said it's rather funny that you tell ME I'M following a man.

Which man would that be?

If you don't understand John 15:16,,,,you really should find some way to really understand it.
YOU can say it means all of us,,,but you're wrong of course.

There are biblical scholars who write commentaries, which I have posted and there are many more,,,so that persons such as yourself that do not seem to comprehend scripture, can go to and KNOW WHAT A VERSE REALLY MEANS.

Your church has trained you to respond to commentaries by accusing the person who posts them to say that that person is relying on commentators.

If you noticed,,,I never posted any commentator UNTIL you INSISTED on wanting to be correct.

This can only mean that you DO NOT understand scripture and should start from the beginning so you could learn the truth.

And since we're off course and are not speaking about scripture but you've become personal...
I see no further reason to post at this time.

I DO recommend that you learn about Christianity.


P.S. You said this above:
John recorded that Lord Jesus said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20).

You don't even realize that your statement proves MY POINT.
In John 17:20 Jesus said NOT ON BEHALF OF THESE ALONE...
Perhaps He meant the APOSTLES,,,as I've been stating?
THESE ALONE are the apostles in John 15:16

AND in 17:20 Jesus also prays for us.
So easy.

I am a Christian. I have quoted Christ abundantly in context.

I am not a Calvinist. I have not quoted Calvin a single time in the previous 100 posts that I've made on this thread. I have expressed that I am not a Calvinist previously. And you say that I'm getting personal!

The Holy Spirit reveals that which a scripture passage really means; on the contrary, you heavily push commentaries hence a convolution of your opinion and other people's interpretation.

Church taught, you have no idea what you are talking about there! I cite scripture, and you cite commentators - just take a short look at today's interchange between you and I - look carefully - you won't find me using any commentaries but you will find you using commentaries (whether once or five times in one post or trying to tell me to read a commentary in another post, whatever the case may be).

In my previous post to you, I wrote "Your opinion is incomplete in that you say that Jesus chose the Apostles - which He did". Did you notice that? This has bearing on what I'm about to write to you, GodsGrace.

When Lord Jesus said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20), you missed a valuable point!

THE POINT YOU MISSED IS WHEN JESUS SAID "WHO BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD" (JOHN 17:20).

The Apostle John recorded word that which we have as John chapters 13 - 17, and John recorded the Lord's words in chapter 13 - 17.

Lord Jesus described His exclusive power - something intrinsic to Himself - that He chooses people - not people choosing Him - see John 15:16. Here we have the Apostle John's recorded words (John 17:20 "through their word") of the words of Jesus (John 15:16, John 15:19).

When I asked if you if you are blind, I was serious. I don't know if you are using a text to speech engine that might be skipping John 15:19. You seem to ignore John 15:19 where Jesus says "I chose you out of the world", thus the passage which includes both John 15:16 and John 15:19 are about salvation. Then you say you can do what Jesus said the Apostles cannot do which is choose Jesus (John 15:16, "you did not choose Me" and John 15:19 "I chose you out of the world"). This passage in John 15 applies to all believers in all time.

The Word of God is truth (John 14:6) and correct, and as a Christian I share the Word of God accurately in context in this thread, but you reject the truth.
 
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I am a Christian. I have quoted Christ abundantly in context.

I am not a Calvinist. I have not quoted Calvin a single time in the previous 100 posts that I've made on this thread. I have expressed that I am not a Calvinist previously. And you say that I'm getting personal!

The Holy Spirit reveals that which a scripture passage really means; on the contrary, you heavily push commentaries hence a convolution of your opinion and other people's interpretation.

Church taught, you have no idea what you are talking about there! I cite scripture, and you cite commentators - just take a short look at today's interchange between you and I - look carefully - you won't find me using any commentaries but you will find you using commentaries (whether once or five times in one post or trying to tell me to read a commentary in another post, whatever the case may be).

In my previous post to you, I wrote "Your opinion is incomplete in that you say that Jesus chose the Apostles - which He did". Did you notice that? This has bearing on what I'm about to write to you, GodsGrace.

When Lord Jesus said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20), you missed a valuable point!

THE POINT YOU MISSED IS WHEN JESUS SAID "WHO BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD" (JOHN 17:20).

The Apostle John recorded word that which we have as John chapters 13 - 17, and John recorded the Lord's words in chapter 13 - 17.

Lord Jesus described His exclusive power - something intrinsic to Himself - that He chooses people - not people choosing Him - see John 15:16. Here we have the Apostle John's recorded words (John 17:20 "through their word") of the words of Jesus (John 15:16, John 15:19).

When I asked if you if you are blind, I was serious. I don't know if you are using a text to speech engine that might be skipping John 15:19. You seem to ignore John 15:19 where Jesus says "I chose you out of the world", thus the passage which includes both John 15:16 and John 15:19 are about salvation. Then you say you can do what Jesus said the Apostles cannot do which is choose Jesus (John 15:16, "you did not choose Me" and John 15:19 "I chose you out of the world"). This passage in John 15 applies to all believers in all time.

The Word of God is truth (John 14:6) and correct, and as a Christian I share the Word of God accurately in context in this thread, but you reject the truth.
K,
Too late for me to go through this now....almost 1 a.m.
Will reply tomorrow morning....

In the meantime...
I DO NOT QUOTE COMMENTARIES or link them.
Go through all my posts since I've been here and count how many times I've done this.
Because I did this with you is no reason to believe I do this all the time.
If you cannot understand John 15:16, why should you believe me?
Thus the commentaries.

Also, if you're NOT calvinist in theology, why do you mock me when I say that I chose Jesus?

Did YOU choose Jesus?
It sounds as if you believe He chose YOU...otherwise what are we discussing??

If you think GOD chose YOU...
Your theology is calvinist in nature.
 

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I am a Christian. I have quoted Christ abundantly in context.

I am not a Calvinist. I have not quoted Calvin a single time in the previous 100 posts that I've made on this thread. I have expressed that I am not a Calvinist previously. And you say that I'm getting personal!

The Holy Spirit reveals that which a scripture passage really means; on the contrary, you heavily push commentaries hence a convolution of your opinion and other people's interpretation.

Church taught, you have no idea what you are talking about there! I cite scripture, and you cite commentators - just take a short look at today's interchange between you and I - look carefully - you won't find me using any commentaries but you will find you using commentaries (whether once or five times in one post or trying to tell me to read a commentary in another post, whatever the case may be).

In my previous post to you, I wrote "Your opinion is incomplete in that you say that Jesus chose the Apostles - which He did". Did you notice that? This has bearing on what I'm about to write to you, GodsGrace.

When Lord Jesus said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20), you missed a valuable point!

THE POINT YOU MISSED IS WHEN JESUS SAID "WHO BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD" (JOHN 17:20).

The Apostle John recorded word that which we have as John chapters 13 - 17, and John recorded the Lord's words in chapter 13 - 17.

Lord Jesus described His exclusive power - something intrinsic to Himself - that He chooses people - not people choosing Him - see John 15:16. Here we have the Apostle John's recorded words (John 17:20 "through their word") of the words of Jesus (John 15:16, John 15:19).

When I asked if you if you are blind, I was serious. I don't know if you are using a text to speech engine that might be skipping John 15:19. You seem to ignore John 15:19 where Jesus says "I chose you out of the world", thus the passage which includes both John 15:16 and John 15:19 are about salvation. Then you say you can do what Jesus said the Apostles cannot do which is choose Jesus (John 15:16, "you did not choose Me" and John 15:19 "I chose you out of the world"). This passage in John 15 applies to all believers in all time.

The Word of God is truth (John 14:6) and correct, and as a Christian I share the Word of God accurately in context in this thread, but you reject the truth.
P.S.

I just saw your signature line.
God is the potter and we are the clay?
I mean,,,really!

And I'm blind and I reject the truth.

I suppose ONLY YOU have the truth...
the rest of Christianity is lost.

I think our conversation should end here.
Perhaps you and atpollard could discuss between yourselves.
 

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K,
Too late for me to go through this now....almost 1 a.m.
Will reply tomorrow morning....

In the meantime...
I DO NOT QUOTE COMMENTARIES or link them.
Go through all my posts since I've been here and count how many times I've done this.
Because I did this with you is no reason to believe I do this all the time.
If you cannot understand John 15:16, why should you believe me?
Thus the commentaries.

Also, if you're NOT calvinist in theology, why do you mock me when I say that I chose Jesus?

Did YOU choose Jesus?
It sounds as if you believe He chose YOU...otherwise what are we discussing??

If you think GOD chose YOU...
Your theology is calvinist in nature.

Let's see, you wrote "I DO NOT QUOTE COMMENTARIES or link them", but you put commentary from "Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers" in your post number 962 on this page 49. Apparently, lying is not a problem for you. I did not say that you quote commentaries all the time, but I do say that you have an absence of scripture for freewill/choice.

I do not believe you because you reject Lord Jesus' words of "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) not to mention the detailed Word of God provided to you in my post number 963 on this page 49 and post 965 on this page 49.

There you go again, skipping John 15:19 where Jesus said "I chose you out of the world" with context of John 15:16 with context of John 17:20.

I have the Holy Spirit; therefore, I understand John 15:16.

I ask again, are you blind? You pose questions which are answered in the posts that I made to you TODAY.

I am not mocking you, GodsGrace. Read very carefully, please, what I am about to present.

When you convey that you chose Jesus, you claim to do the very opposite of His words for Lord Jesus said "you did not choose Me" (John 15:16).

You do not understand John 15:16.

My theology is Christian, for I believe in Lord Jesus Christ and His words, such as John 15:16, John 15:19, and John 17:20.

Your theology is Armenian, for you believe you chose Jesus with no scriptural support.
 

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P.S.

I just saw your signature line.
God is the potter and we are the clay?
I mean,,,really!

And I'm blind and I reject the truth.

I suppose ONLY YOU have the truth...
the rest of Christianity is lost.

I think our conversation should end here.
Perhaps you and atpollard could discuss between yourselves.
When you write "I mean,,,really", you expose your distaste for the Word of God!

Thus it is written:

"We are the clay, and You our potter" (Isaiah 64:8).

"You turn [things] around! Shall the potter be considered as equal with the clay" (Isaiah 29:16).

"Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making [say], 'He has no hands'?" (Isaiah 45:9)

"who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And [He did so] to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory" (Romans 9:20-23)

Lord Jesus is the Truth (John 14:6), and He reveals Truth to whom He will. We Christians believe Truth, period!
 

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You know, if this whole saved thing is as cliquesh as some of you make it sound, I want no part of it
 

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God's Sovereign control of who will be in heaven is very comforting - very assuring of true Godly peace and tranquility, worship and love in the glorious kingdom of God!

"Many are called, but few are chosen" said Lord Jesus Christ recorded by the Apostle Matthew (Matthew 22:14).
 
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"Many are called, but few are chosen" said Lord Jesus Christ...
Yes He did say it, but we need to see why He said that. Did He mean that He would invite anyone and everyone to the Wedding Feast, just to fool them and drive them eventually to Hell, or was there another reason?

NO LIMIT PLACED ON THE INVITED GUESTS
Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage... and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good (vv 9,10)


BUT SOME FAILED TO RECEIVE THE IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST
And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. (v 12)

The wedding garment represents the robe of righteousness, which is the imputed righteousness of Christ. And this is freely given by God's grace to those who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Since there was no limit to the invited guests, it stands to reason (logically and spiritually) that there were wedding garments AVAILABLE for all. *The good* received the garments, but some (*the bad*) refused to accept them, or believed that they did not need them. Whatever the case may be, those were the ones who were shut out. Hence many are called but few are chosen. [Note: Good and bad here related to either obedience or disobedience to the Gospel]
 
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Yes He did say it, but we need to see why He said that. Did He mean that He would invite anyone and everyone to the Wedding Feast, just to fool them and drive them eventually to Hell, or was there another reason?

NO LIMIT PLACED ON THE INVITED GUESTS
Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage... and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good (vv 9,10)


BUT SOME FAILED TO RECEIVE THE IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST
And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. (v 12)

The wedding garment represents the robe of righteousness, which is the imputed righteousness of Christ. And this is freely given by God's grace to those who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Since there was no limit to the invited guests, it stands to reason (logically and spiritually) that there were wedding garments AVAILABLE for all. *The good* received the garments, but some (*the bad*) refused to accept them, or believed that they did not need them. Whatever the case may be, those were the ones who were shut out. Hence many are called but few are chosen. [Note: Good and bad here related to either obedience or disobedience to the Gospel]
With relation to the passage of Matthew 22:1-14, you apply a leaven that misleads. Here is the Godly explanation.

First, one must not neglect the words of Lord Jesus when He said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19) and "who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20, being the Apostles word). Lord Jesus did not contradict Himself between the words recorded by Matthew (22:1-14) and John (15:16-19) - a critical interplay that you missed leavens your analysis, Enoch111, which is that the wedding garment is worn by we believers who believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent (John 6:29) with the very belief/faith being the work of God (John 6:29). This belief/faith includes the intrinsic quality of Christ Jesus to elect/choose people for heaven (Matthew 22:14).

Second, the wedding garment is the Blood of Christ covering we believers. Within the Blood of Christ comes righteousness, love, mercy, forgiveness, faithfulness, the fruit of the Spirit. God covers we believers by the very power of God (John 6:29). The leaven in your error of "choice"/"accept", Enoch111, derives from your rejection of the very words of Lord Jesus recorded by John (John 15:16-19, John 17:20).

Third, you attempt to alter the Word of God when you wrote "no limit to the invited guests" and "wedding garments AVAILABLE for all". Lord Jesus did not say what you wrote! The Apostles did not write what you wrote! The Gospel does not include the leaven that you wrote! On the contrary to that which you wrote, the Gospel reveals "only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27) and "written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb" (Revelation 13:8). God knows specifically the individuals chosen by God for salvation "from the foundation of the world". All of this goes right back to God's Sovereignty in the salvation of men with the words of Jesus recorded by the Apostle John (John 15:16-19, John 17:20).

Fourth, your analysis is leavened by you imposition of freewill/choice into "call". You apply a broad meaning to "invite"/"bid" for "call", yet there is a specific sense of "call" which is "summon". A summons is an authoritative requirement with official sanction. A summons carries weight, and in the teaching case of this parable, the summons carries eternal weight. There are two types of people: (1) those who receive the summons properly for eternal life by God's choosing and (2) those who do not receive the summons properly for eternal life by God's choosing. The people that do not receive the summons properly fail to be covered by the Blood of Jesus, and those self same people deny the words of Lord Jesus - such as His words of "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19) and "who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20, being the Apostles word).

When you convey that you chose Jesus, you expose your leaven that you claim to do the very opposite of His words for Lord Jesus said "you did not choose Me" (John 15:16).
 
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All the ELECT please stand up

and immediately reveal your hypocrisy lol, just tickles me every time i read it.
How much more clueless could a believer even be?
 

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Krrmos ~ GodsGrace ~

EXPOUNDING ~

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Eph 1:4
[4] According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

He MADE CHOICES, BEFORE mankind Existed.

How So?

Jer 1:5
[5] Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

God is ALL knowing.
"HE" knows WHAT WE SHALL CHOOSE...
BEFORE we are born and BEFORE WE KNOW what we shall choose.

He Provides us WITH ALL Knowledge we NEED, to MAKE AN election to Choose HIM.

We have NO EXCUSE to NOT Choose Him...
Yet, MANY WILL ELECT to NOT Choose Him...
And ^ THAT is NOT a surprise to HIM.

God is NOT LAX...EVERYTHING IS already PREPARED for every single individual...
WITH or WITHOUT Him.

Glory to God,
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snip...
He Provides us WITH ALL Knowledge we NEED, to MAKE AN election to Choose HIM.
...snip

Taken, your interpretation is the opposite of the words of Lord Jesus Christ when He said "you did not choose Me" (John 15:16); therefore, you deny Jesus' words in Jesus' description of Himself as electing/choosing people unto salvation NOT the other way around because He said "I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus said the one who rejects Jesus, then Jesus will reject in front of the Father (Matthew 10:33).
 

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Woe to free willers who say that God does not create evil for thus says the Lord, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHVH do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7)!

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

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The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!

God's blessings of peace and righteousness in Jesus Christ be upon you, o, dear brother in our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Taken, your interpretation is the opposite of the words of Lord Jesus Christ when He said "you did not choose Me" (John 15:16); therefore, you deny Jesus' words

You are quick to wrongly Judge!

Any Denial I choose to make will come out of my mouth NOT Yours! I am not subject to YOUR..."therefore"!

in Jesus' description of Himself as electing/choosing people unto salvation NOT the other way around

You attempt to Confine others to YOUR understanding...of "other way around" .
I didn't say that!

PAY ATTENTION to what you wrote...

because He said "I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus said the one who rejects Jesus, [/]QUOTE]

Inasmuch as Two parties choosing to AGREE,
Is a Choice of each...One of the parties Choosing to Not Agree is also a Choice.


For an Effective AGREEMENT...Two parties must cHOOSE TO AGREE.


Amos 3
[3] Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

1Thes 1
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

Glory to God,
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You are quick to wrongly Judge!

Any Denial I choose to make will come out of my mouth NOT Yours! I am not subject to YOUR..."therefore"!



You attempt to Confine others to YOUR understanding...of "other way around" .
I didn't say that!

PAY ATTENTION to what you wrote...
PAY ATTENTION to what you wrote, Taken! You wrote "He Provides us WITH ALL Knowledge we NEED, to MAKE AN election to Choose HIM."

You attempt to escape the words of Jesus Christ by contradicting where Lord Jesus said "you did not choose Me" (John 15:16).

You wrote "to Choose HIM", but He said "you did not choose Me" (John 15:16).

PAY ATTENTION to what you wrote, Taken, because your writing indicates the condition of your heart. Jesus says Jesus is in control, but you say Taken is in control. You both cannot be correct, and I'm telling you that Lord Jesus is correct!