Passed away?

Waiting on him said:

Jesus says it’s easy for heaven and earth to pass away. Why do we complicate it?

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um, yikes. Could you pls Quote where Jesus said that, i guess, ty

Waiting on him said:

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


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Matthew 5:17-18 KJV
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Tecarta Bible Have all things been made new for you?

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Have all things been made new for you?

'Therefore if any man be in Christ,
.. he is a new creature:
.... old things are passed away;
...... behold, all things are become new.
And all things are of God,
.. Who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ,
.... and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ,
.. reconciling the world unto Himself,
.... not imputing their trespasses unto them;
...... and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.'
(2 Corinthians 5:17-19)

Hello @Waiting on him,

In 2 Corinthians 5:17, Paul is contrasting the standards and estimation of the old creation of un-regeneracy, with the entirely new mental outlook of one who is truly saved and therefore can be designated by God as being in an entirely new sphere, namely, 'in Christ'. That is his standing by grace. For such a person the old life and its thinking and standards are finished. New things have come into being, namely those things pertaining to the new creation which is eternal and has God as its source.

Before Paul was converted his estimation of Christ was distorted and wrong, He now has God's view point and this alters and corrects his whole thinking. Not only of the Lord Jesus Christ, but of mankind generally. So much so that he, and those with him in the ministry were now engaged, by God, in a ministry of reconciliation: and could say, 'that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them'

* No condemnation here, for grace now reigns.

Praise God!

* So, have the 'all things' been made new for me, personally? Yes, for I am 'accepted in the Beloved', in Christ Jesus, God's own Beloved Son, and that changes everything.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

charity said:

Have all things been made new for you?

'Therefore if any man be in Christ,
.. he is a new creature:
.... old things are passed away;
...... behold, all things are become new.
And all things are of God,
.. Who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ,
.... and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ,
.. reconciling the world unto Himself,
.... not imputing their trespasses unto them;
...... and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.'
(2 Corinthians 5:17-19)

Hello @Waiting on him,

In 2 Corinthians 5:17, Paul is contrasting the standards and estimation of the old creation of un-regeneracy, with the entirely new mental outlook of one who is truly saved and therefore can be designated by God as being in an entirely new sphere, namely, 'in Christ'. That is his standing by grace. For such a person the old life and its thinking and standards are finished. New things have come into being, namely those things pertaining to the new creation which is eternal and has God as its source.

Before Paul was converted his estimation of Christ was distorted and wrong, He now has God's view point and this alters and corrects his whole thinking. Not only of the Lord Jesus Christ, but of mankind. He

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Good question! and good, relevant passage from 2 Corinthians...

Waiting on him said:

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


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Matthew 5:17-18 KJV
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Tecarta BibleHave all things been made new for you?

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In that the Bible declares it, then yes. And I happen to know it myself, but that doesn't help anyone else.

But the old has passed away.

Does it take a long time for the flesh to die? No. It's cut away, crucified, and already dead.

Does it take a long time for us to reckon the flesh dead? Sometimes.

But when we don't reckon the flesh dead, does that make it alive? No. It's dead. It acts alive, but it's dead.

We either walk in life, or we walk in death, either living out the life of the Spirit, or living out the death of the flesh.

At any moment that we trust God, we walk in life.

Not me said:

Hi, I’m of mind it is to the degree we apprehend our deaths in Christ, to that degree will we find that newness of life.

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I completely agree with this. We need to really understand what He's done so we don't become confused about the flesh having any sort of real power over us.

Not me said:

I have discovered that the more I “reckon myself dead” to any and all circumstances and situations, the more my will is denied and God’s will is manifested.

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Or perhaps the more the will of the flesh is disregarded, and the more God's will imprints our true will, the will of the new creature.

I see once again people want to make this about that we now "keep the Law", or that our lives are only right if they show the Mosaic Covenant in their appearance.

But unless we can get ahold of the fact that we are in fact new, and we are in fact partakers of God's holy and righteous nature, then I think confusion will remain in thinking that people are somehow to be defined by God's covenant with Israel.

But holding onto the Law is holding onto a walk by sight instead of by faith. It's holding onto the old man, but the old man is dead. The Law is given to descendants of Adam, not the children of God.

Much love!

Waiting on him said:

To impute

Greek: λογίζομαι
Transliteration: logizomai
Pronunciation: log-id'-zom-ahee
Definition: Middle voice from G3056; to take an inventory that is estimate (literally or figuratively): - conclude (ac-) count (of) + despise esteem impute lay number reason reckon suppose think (on).

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Justification in Romans is indeed a judicial reckoning (and not to be confused with sanctification).

Waiting on him said:

Interesting, if I’m imputing men’s trespasses to them, I’m not Christ like

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So part of "but Christ lives in me, and the life I live . . ."

Is to be not imputing people's sins against them. Even as they sin against me. Not that I'm the lawgiver, that's God, but I still suffer from their sin against Him.

So to not regard that at all.

God's grace enables us to live that way.

Much love!

farouk said:

Justification in Romans is indeed a judicial reckoning (and not to be confused with sanctification).

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Hi farouk,

Here's how I think of justification.

Jesus took away the sins of the world, so even though all humanity is still dead in sin, those sins are no longer counted against them.

When we believe, and we are reborn, we enter a new stream of humanity, no longer the seed of Adam, now the seed of God, God's spirit children. Not sons of Adam, now sons of God, brothers of the Last Adam, the last man.

There was the first man, and the last man, as the earthy, and the heavenly. The sinner is the earthly, but we are now like the Lord from heaven, heavenly, we have a building not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Being born of God we share His nature, holy and righteous, and therefore there is now no condemnation.

That which is born of God sins not, so there never will be condemnation.

Sins we commit are interceded for by Jesus before the Father, but what form that takes, I don't see spelled out.

But what I do see spelled out is that "it is therefore no longer I that sin, but the sin that lives in me", it seems he is saying in his flesh, which is well attested elsewhere.

Even before we were a new creation, our sins were removed from us. Now that we are new, we are, even more, a new humanity, holy and righteous, and in this we are justified.

There is no guilt upon us, there never has been, and there never will be.

All is removed in Christ. All is made new in Christ.

Much love!

Waiting on him said:

When we stop putting forth the finger?

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When we look to Jesus trusting that He has done it.

Much love!

Waiting on him said:

I’ve been a finger putter forther

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Same here.

Waiting on him said:

Jesus our first love!
Seek first!

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Ecclesiastes 1:10-15 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. [11] There is no remembrance of former things ; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. [12] I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem. [13] And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith. [14] I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. [15] That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.

Isaiah 42:8-18
I am the Lord : that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. [9] Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. [10] Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. [11] Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. [12] Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands. [13] The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. [14] I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once. [15] I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. [16] And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. [17] They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods. [18] Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.

Isaiah 43:18-21
Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. [19] Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert. [20] The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen. [21] This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.

Revelation 21:5
[5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Waiting on him said:

Interesting, if I’m imputing men’s trespasses to them, I’m not Christ like

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Hello @Waiting on him,

I don't know that this is true. For in daily life, if a person breaks the law of the land, you could do no other than to hold that trespass against them, for it would need to receive due punishment.

This can only be said in regard to God, I believe. In regard to the law of sin and death: for reconciliation is only required when two people are divided, where there is enmity between them. As far as God is concerned the enmity has been taken away by the death of Christ as representative and Head of the race. Adam's one offence involving all has been cancelled, and from God's side there is no barrier. Grace now reigns. (See Romans 8)

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

Waiting on him said:

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


Tecarta Bible
Matthew 5:17-18 KJV
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Tecarta BibleHave all things been made new for you?

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Definitely. I have peace of mind. Totaling Christ in my life and the Holy Spirit. I have space to practice my sanctification - loving God and neighbor. I am not longer trying to escape my life - surrendering to God/reality.

Amen