Which generation is "this generation"?

Bobby Jo · Aug 14, 2019

n2thelight said:
I was actually defending your position ...Sorry if I didn't make that clear

Hey @n2thelight,
I appreciate the note back, and it's all good! Thanks for responding!

Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo · Aug 14, 2019

n2thelight said:
... The generation that started when Jerusalem came into the hands of the Jews and the nation was establish, and it happened in 1948. ...

A great Post with a LOT of GOOD information; with the Scripture's end time fulfillments NOT during the time of Rome, but at the time of the end.

The only hurdle is whether a person in the preterist camp can correct their views, when they won't even correct their posts after making a mistake.

Bobby Jo

shnarkle · Aug 14, 2019

n2thelight said:
Never before since the crucifixion of Christ has the Jews returned to Judaea as a nation. Remember that this was part of the subject, from verse fourteen. "But when you shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:" The command then was to flee Judaea, that is where the fig tree was to be set out.

I'm not buying it. They fled, (i.e. the church) Judea just prior to the sack of Jerusalem. To assume that the exact scenario that did occur just as the prophecy of Christ foretold it, somehow isn't what Christ's prophecy is referring to simply doesn't add up. They all recognized the sign, and yet you're now telling us that the signs they recognized from Christ's own prophecy had nothing to do with Christ's prophecy, but referred to a prophecy that hasn't happened yet. This seems more than ironic, don't you think? How fortuitous for the early church to escape an incredibly well documented ghastly end to Jerusalem by accidently or mistakenly obeying a command by Christ that Christ didn't intend for them.

Secular historians can't help remarking on the fact that this Christian sect of Judaism were the only one's to flee when the Roman army retreated.

michaelvpardo · Aug 15, 2019

shnarkle said:
"34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. " Matthew 24:34

Which generation? The texts indicate not only that it was the generation listening, but explicitly point out that the judgment would fall upon Jerusalem and the elders who were such a corrosive and corrupting influence over them.

If you interpret the passage as you suggest (and many do) then God obviously made a mistake. This is one of the hardest verses to understand in light of actual history, but the Lord pointed out something very simple to me (it has to be simple or I won't understand it.) The Old testament scripture uses the word "generation" in two different ways. Sometimes it refers to the people born in a specific time, but sometimes it refers to a type of people, eg: the generation of the wicked and the generation of the righteous. In context, who was Jesus addressing? Wasn't it His disciples who questioned when "all these things" would happen. His close disciples, those who didn't turn away as in John 6:66, were the beginnings of His church. He already considered them as "righteous" for their faith in Him (with at least one notable exception.) See John 15:2-4

If you understand "this generation" to refer to the generation of the disciples of Jesus, the righteous born again believers in Him, then it follows that Jesus was saying that His church would bear witness to "all these things" as we also see in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. (The saints are present through the great tribulation bearing witness of Jesus Christ and of His righteous judgments at least until the death of the last two martyrs, the two witnesses who are killed and whose deaths are celebrated.)

I should point out that there is only 1 generation of the righteous, those who are born again of the Spirit of God. There's no such thing as 2nd generation Christians. "You must be born again."

shnarkle · Aug 15, 2019

michaelvpardo said:
If you interpret the passage as you suggest (and many do) then God obviously made a mistake.

Argumentum Ad Ignorantium

The Old testament scripture uses the word "generation" in two different ways. Sometimes it refers to the people born in a specific time, but sometimes it refers to a type of people, eg: the generation of the wicked and the generation of the righteous. In context, who was Jesus addressing? Wasn't it His disciples who questioned when "all these things" would happen.

In some passages, that is clearly the case, but regardless of which passages you choose to look at, the results are both the same; the destruction of Jerusalem. In other words, your either/or argument isn't mutually exclusive. We know this because those who followed Christ's instructions were spared the horrors of the destruction of Jerusalem.

michaelvpardo · Aug 15, 2019

shnarkle said:
Argumentum Ad Ignorantium

In some passages, that is clearly the case, but regardless of which passages you choose to look at, the results are both the same; the destruction of Jerusalem. In other words, your either/or argument isn't mutually exclusive. We know this because those who followed Christ's instructions were spared the horrors of the destruction of Jerusalem.

And I don't doubt that there was a partial fulfillment of that scripture in the destruction of 70 AD, but a partial fulfillment is just that and no more. A literal interpretation of scripture tells us that the "last days" commenced with Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, but continues until His return.
I hope that you will forgive me for believing and trusting in what God has taught me rather than accepting a scholar's blind interpretation of scripture. If scholarship determined truth and faith Jesus' contemporaries among the Sanhedrin would have fought to keep Him alive and recognized Him as their rightful king.

shnarkle · Aug 15, 2019

michaelvpardo said:
And I don't doubt that there was a partial fulfillment of that scripture in the destruction of 70 AD, but a partial fulfillment is just that and no more. A literal interpretation of scripture tells us that the "last days" commenced with Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, but continues until His return.

See my original post for a more in depth explanation of how and why this has already occurred.

I hope that you will forgive me for believing and trusting in what God has taught me rather than accepting a scholar's blind interpretation of scripture.

Perhaps instead of providing pointless commentary on your claims to superior instruction, you might provide an actual argument.

If scholarship determined truth and faith Jesus' contemporaries among the Sanhedrin would have fought to keep Him alive and recognized Him as their rightful king.

Jesus didn't provide arguments from ignorance or ad hominem either. Jesus' scholarship was impeccable, and wouldn't have made any difference to the status quo. It was his ability to overturn the status quo that got him killed.

Bobby Jo · Aug 15, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
It should be interesting that where Israel was "conceived" in 1924, it was "born" in 1948. And a 70 year "generation" would end in 2018, which was last year, and so maybe 80 years "by strength" which could run until 2028 -- or somewhere between the two, possibly closer to 2021, which I expect is the timing proposed by the Prophetic Psalms.

Now if we had a war in the Middle East, we could have some additional perspective, -- if we only had a war ...

Bobby Jo

If the Psalms is Prophetic as proposed by J.R. Church in his book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", one might consider the "coincidence" of Psalms 117 which is not only the Shortest Chapter in all Scripture, but ALSO the Middle Chapter; Psalms 118 is exactly 70 years after 1948; and Psalms 119 is the Longest Chapter in all Scripture.

And when one calculates the ODDS of these FOUR "coincidences", one arrives to 26B to 1. Now I'm not one to go to a casino, but if those odds were in my favor, I'd sell my house, car, bicycle, and dog, and bet it all!

Bobby Jo

SovereignGrace · Aug 16, 2019

shnarkle said:
"34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. " Matthew 24:34

Which generation? The texts indicate not only that it was the generation listening, but explicitly point out that the judgment would fall upon Jerusalem and the elders who were such a corrosive and corrupting influence over them.

The Parable of the Wicked Tenants
(Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-18)
"45And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables,THEY PERCEIVED THAT HE SPAKE OF THEM." Matthew 21:33-45
"he sent forth his armies, and destroyed THOSE murderers, and burned up THEIR city." Matthew 22:7
" how can ye escape the damnation of hell?34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. "Matthew 23:33-36

Here's the judgment language Jesus uses:
"the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken" Matthew 24:29

Where have we seen this judgment language used before? Jesus was a prophet using judgment/condemnation language right from his own Hebrew scriptures, and he is explicitly referring to the judgment that will come upon Jerusalem.

" the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. "Isaiah 13:10

Jesus was living during the Pax Romana which was a time of peace so for Jesus to say there will be wars and rumors of wars would have been seen as ludicrous. Josephus(a Jewish General in Jewish army, soldier, and Pharisee) recorded the wars between the Romans and Jews. During this time there was a star that resembled a "sword". Some saw "visions of chariots"; many signs and wonders. Everyone thought it was a sign of divine judgement. The temple doors blew open and great sounds, earthquakes, and a voice which said, "let us remove hence" Josephus recorded all of this. Book 20;ch.8;section 6 "imposters led the people into the wilderness, Felix brought them back...many false prophets"

Some will claim that none of this could have happened already because the gospel hasn't been preached to the whole world. Here's what the bible states.

"I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout THE WHOLE WORLD." Romans 1:8

"Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known TO ALL THE NATIONS for the obedience of faith" Romans 16:25,26

"the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as it has also in ALL THE WORLD " Col.1:6

Some will also claim that Jesus is referring to the end of the world, but " the end of the age"(Gr. "aion") in Matthew 24:3 is a better translation than the end of the "world" (Gr. "cosmos")

So the question is then how come no one see's Christ coming during the destruction of Jerusalem? The reason is that Christ's judgment doesn't require his presence. Here's the proof:

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." John 3:17

People don't seem to have a problem remembering that verse, but can't seem to remember this one:

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48

Even with this fresh in our minds, how many notice that it isn't actually Christ who is doing the judging?

When Jesus says that those who reject him do not receive his words, he's referring to his teachings, his doctrines which are the commandments of God. He's using a Metonymy, but this doesn't negate the fact that it is the law that will condemn those who disobey God. Paul puts it this way, "the letter kills". Here's yet another way to put it:

"37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. "Matthew 12:37

When we look at Christ's judgment upon Jerusalem it is the same story except that people not only forget that he is referring to Jerusalem, they seem to think that his judgment requires his presence as well. It doesn't, especially when the figure Metonymy is being used which puts him for the execution of his judgment. Here is the definition of the figure with examples to compare it to.

Metonymy; or, Change of noun. The change of one noun for another related noun. Me-ton-y-my; from "meta" indicating change, and "onoma", a name; or, in grammar, a noun.
Metonymy is a figure by which on name or noun is used instead of another, to which it stands in a certain relation; it is founded upon relation.

The change is in the noun, and only in a verb as connected with the action preceeding from it.

When we say that a person writes "a bad hand", we do not mean the hand, but the 'hand' is used for the characters which it writes.

Metonymy is of four kinds: viz., of the Cause, of the Effect, of the Subject, and of the Adjunct.

Metonymy of the Cause is when the cause is put for the effect: i.e., when the doer is put for the thing done; or, the instrument for that which is effected; or, where the action is put for the effect produced by the action.

There are four kinds: 1. The person for the action; 2. The instrument for the effect;3. The thing or action for its product; and 4. The material cause for the matter made.

For example: The Spirit is put for the gifts and operations of the Spirit.

"Did you on believing receive the Holy Spirit?" Acts 19:2 Here referring to the gifts of the Spirit because they had already received Him, or they could not have believed at all. Verse 6 also shows that this must be so, for the very gifts and powers are named and exercised.

"Forasmuch as you are also zealous of spirits" 1 Cor.19:12 i.e., of spiritual powers and gifts and revelations.

The writer is put for his writing of book.

Luke 26:29 "They have Moses (i.e. his writings) and athe prophets (.e. their writings); let them hear them."

The organs of speech are put for the testimony given.

Deut. 27:6 "At the mouth (i.e. on the testimony) of two witnesses or three shall he...be put to death"

The mouth is put for the precept or command given.

Gen.14:21 "And Joseph gave them wagons, according to the mouth (i.e. commandment) of Pharaoh"

The tongue is put for what is spoken by it.

Ps. 5:9 "They flatter with their tongue" i.e. with what it says.

The throat is put for the words spoken

Ps. 9 "Their throat (i.e. their speech) is an open sepulchre"

The hand is put for the actions performed by it.

2 Sam. 3:12 "My hand (i.e. my help) shall be with thee"

Anger and wrath are put for the punishment, and various acts which flow from them.

Rom. 2:5 "Thou treasurest up unto theyself wrath" i.e. the judgments produced by it.

Rom. 4:5 "The law worketh wrath" i.e. inflicts or executes punishements and penalties. The word "execute" is actually supplied in Rom.13:4

Sin and its synonyms are put for the effects or pounishment of sin.

Jer. 14:16 "I will pour their wickedness upon them" i.e. the punishment on account of their wickedness.

Zech. 14:19 "This shall be the sin of Egypt" i.e. the punishment for Egypt's sin.

When Christ is said to bear our sins, it means that he bore the punishment (i.e.death) which was due to them. Heb. 9:28; 1 Pet. 2:24

Christ is put for his people.

Acts 4:4 "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?" i.e. My people who belong to me. See vs 5, and compare vss. 1 and 2.

Jesus is put for his doctrine.

2 Cor.11:4 "For if he that comes preaching another Jesus" i.e. a different doctrine or teaching concerning Jesus.
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I can’t help but believe ALL of Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD, and no, I am not a full preterist either. But the Christ used Noah as an example. Those who use Matthew 24 for the rapture are flat wrong imo, and have it backward. Who was swept away in the flood? Unbelievers. Who would be taken away in 70 AD? Rebellious Jews. It’s been noted(Josephus iirc) stated that Rome encircled Jerusalem and then backed away. In that time, some Jews left. When they left, Rome turned around and ransacked Jerusalem, even destroying the temple.

Plus, the language the Christ used as judgment is also seen in the OT as @shnarkle already posted. I learned some of this from listening to Jeff Durbin. But I can’t help but think Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD.

michaelvpardo · Aug 18, 2019

shnarkle said:
See my original post for a more in depth explanation of how and why this has already occurred.

Jesus didn't provide arguments from ignorance or ad hominem either. Jesus' scholarship was impeccable, and wouldn't have made any difference to the status quo. It was his ability to overturn the status quo that got him killed.

No one cares about opinion. Jesus wasn't a scholar, he simply read scripture as I do, ( Talk about ignorance.) You must be born again! (This is what Jesus said to a scholar of his day, a pre-eminent teacher in Israel.)

44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. John 6:44-46
25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 14:25-26

If you have a problem with informed argument, take it up with God. He teaches His children and according to His promises, but He hasn't much use for the children of pride.

I have not departed from Your judgments, For You Yourself have taught me. Psalm 119:102

michaelvpardo · Aug 18, 2019

SovereignGrace said:
I can’t help but believe ALL of Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD, and no, I am not a full preterist either. But the Christ used Noah as an example. Those who use Matthew 24 for the rapture are flat wrong imo, and have it backward. Who was swept away in the flood? Unbelievers. Who would be taken away in 70 AD? Rebellious Jews. It’s been noted(Josephus iirc) stated that Rome encircled Jerusalem and then backed away. In that time, some Jews left. When they left, Rome turned around and ransacked Jerusalem, even destroying the temple.

Plus, the language the Christ used as judgment is also seen in the OT as @shnarkle already posted. I learned some of this from listening to Jeff Durbin. But I can’t help but think Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD.[/QUOTE

Let me get this straight.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come. Mathew 24:14
You actually believe that this has already happened in 70AD and that this mess we live in is the kingdom of God?

shnarkle · Aug 18, 2019

michaelvpardo said:
No one cares about opinion. Jesus wasn't a scholar, he simply read scripture as I do,

As a simpleton eh? Who knew.

You must be born again! (This is what Jesus said to a scholar of his day, a pre-eminent teacher in Israel.)

Yep, and even their scholarship wasn't enough to fully understand what Jesus was saying to them

If you have a problem with informed argument,

I have no qualms with informed argument. I simply don't see any point in addressing those who are incapable of taking note of their own contradictory claims and internal inconsistencies. Perhaps you might ask your god to explain these things to you before you reply to any more of these posts.

Bobby Jo · Aug 19, 2019

... so, getting back to the OP, -- which "generation" is Scripture referring to?!? Clearly the end-time prophecies were not fulfilled in Jesus' time, and furthermore Daniel's angel tells us that in the time of the end we would see:

Dan. 12:4 ... Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

And it's only been since approximately the 60's that people have been "running" some 60 to 600 miles per hour; and only since the late '70's that knowledge was instantly available at your fingertips, -- exactly as we see today where households not only access information, but conduct business -- often with multiple devices including desktops, laptops, pads, phones, and interfaces.

But the self deceived preterists ignore this verse -- at their peril --, because they have no clue as to GOD's warnings regarding the Tribulation. AND WE'RE IN THE TRIBULATION NOW.

But of such are the foolish,
Bobby Jo

michaelvpardo · Aug 19, 2019

shnarkle said:
As a simpleton eh? Who knew.

I have no qualms with informed argument. I simply don't see any point in addressing those who are incapable of taking note of their own contradictory claims and internal inconsistencies. Perhaps you might ask your god to explain these things to you before you reply to any more of these posts.

My God is the Lord over all creation and I don't have to ask Him about any inconsistencies in scripture because there are none. The Word of God is complete and uncontradictory for those with eyes to see what it says. You must be born again! Perceived incongruity in scripture is misperception.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
1 Corinthians 2:13-15

shnarkle · Aug 19, 2019

michaelvpardo said:
My God is the Lord over all creation and I don't have to ask Him about any inconsistencies in scripture because there are none.

Strawman argument. So it would seem that the only thing to rival the inconsistencies in your interpretations are an inability to comprehend what is posted. I made no references to inconsistencies in scripture. I explicitly referred to the inconsistencies and contradictions of your own claims.

michaelvpardo · Sep 10, 2019

shnarkle said:
Strawman argument. So it would seem that the only thing to rival the inconsistencies in your interpretations are an inability to comprehend what is posted. I made no references to inconsistencies in scripture. I explicitly referred to the inconsistencies and contradictions of your own claims.

Fools argument.

farouk · Sep 10, 2019

michaelvpardo said:
My God is the Lord over all creation and I don't have to ask Him about any inconsistencies in scripture because there are none. The Word of God is complete...

It's a matter of trusting God's Word and seeking to see what it means, rather than wondering whether it's supposedly contradictory...

n2thelight · Sep 12, 2019

shnarkle said:
I'm not buying it. They fled, (i.e. the church) Judea just prior to the sack of Jerusalem. To assume that the exact scenario that did occur just as the prophecy of Christ foretold it, somehow isn't what Christ's prophecy is referring to simply doesn't add up. They all recognized the sign, and yet you're now telling us that the signs they recognized from Christ's own prophecy had nothing to do with Christ's prophecy, but referred to a prophecy that hasn't happened yet. This seems more than ironic, don't you think? How fortuitous for the early church to escape an incredibly well documented ghastly end to Jerusalem by accidently or mistakenly obeying a command by Christ that Christ didn't intend for them.

Secular historians can't help remarking on the fact that this Christian sect of Judaism were the only one's to flee when the Roman army retreated.

I Corinthians 10:11 "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

"Ensamples" in the manuscripts is the Greek word "tupos", number 5179 in the Strong's Greek dictionary. "a sample, or type; i.e. a model for imitation, a fashion, for manner, or form." So Paul is telling us that those things that we read about in the Old Testament, of the events of the prophets of old are examples of what we should be looking for in our day. This is written to alert all people to be aware of how it shall be before Christ returns. What was written in the Exodus, or in Amos is written as examples for our admonition or warning. All of the Scriptures is given as a warning to those who are living in the times of the ends of this world age of the flesh. We will see the end of the flesh age come to a close, and there are many things that will come to pass right before our eyes that were written about in detail way back in the Old Testament time, and Paul is telling you and I to wake up to those warnings.

When Christ feet hit the ground,that's when you will see the total destruction of that area,that didn't happen in AD 70.

Zechariah 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

This will happen on "the day of the Lord". God will shake the earth and send fire and brimstone upon it. The earthquakes will flatten the cities to where not one stone will stand upon another. Those two great mountains will shake, and the mount of Olives will split. All prophecies concerning Christ return include Mount Zion, and the Mount of Olives will be fulfilled. This is where Christ's feet will touch the earth, when He returns.

When Jesus and His disciples were departing out of Jerusalem before he would be delivered up to be crucified, they asked Him what it would be like at His second coming.

Matthew 24:2 "And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things [Temple buildings]? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

Sure the city of Jerusalem has been destroyed from time to time, but there are still many stones stacked upon each other from the original construction. A simple trip to Jerusalem reveals that, for the wailing wall is one of the most popular markings of that city. Before that time another temple shall be built, and the Antichrist shall rule from that spot.

Then at the seventh trumpet, and Jesus Christ's return there will be a great shaking that will level the city of Jerusalem. At that shaking not one stone will be left upon another. Yet God will make a way of escape for his elect on that day. Then the "east gate", the one facing the "sun to the temple" will open a way of escape for God's people. That way will be there, and this destruction is not to be feared by one of God's elect.

shnarkle · Sep 12, 2019

n2thelight said:
I Corinthians 10:11 "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

"Ensamples" in the manuscripts is the Greek word "tupos", number 5179 in the Strong's Greek dictionary. "a sample, or type; i.e. a model for imitation, a fashion, for manner, or form." So Paul is telling us that those things that we read about in the Old Testament, of the events of the prophets of old are examples of what we should be looking for in our day. This is written to alert all people to be aware of how it shall be before Christ returns. What was written in the Exodus, or in Amos is written as examples for our admonition or warning. All of the Scriptures is given as a warning to those who are living in the times of the ends of this world age of the flesh. We will see the end of the flesh age come to a close, and there are many things that will come to pass right before our eyes that were written about in detail way back in the Old Testament time, and Paul is telling you and I to wake up to those warnings.

When Christ feet hit the ground,that's when you will see the total destruction of that area,that didn't happen in AD 70.

Zechariah 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

This will happen on "the day of the Lord". God will shake the earth and send fire and brimstone upon it. The earthquakes will flatten the cities to where not one stone will stand upon another. Those two great mountains will shake, and the mount of Olives will split. All prophecies concerning Christ return include Mount Zion, and the Mount of Olives will be fulfilled. This is where Christ's feet will touch the earth, when He returns.

When Jesus and His disciples were departing out of Jerusalem before he would be delivered up to be crucified, they asked Him what it would be like at His second coming.

Matthew 24:2 "And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things [Temple buildings]? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

Sure the city of Jerusalem has been destroyed from time to time, but there are still many stones stacked upon each other from the original construction. A simple trip to Jerusalem reveals that, for the wailing wall is one of the most popular markings of that city. Before that time another temple shall be built, and the Antichrist shall rule from that spot.

Then at the seventh trumpet, and Jesus Christ's return there will be a great shaking that will level the city of Jerusalem. At that shaking not one stone will be left upon another. Yet God will make a way of escape for his elect on that day. Then the "east gate", the one facing the "sun to the temple" will open a way of escape for God's people. That way will be there, and this destruction is not to be feared by one of God's elect.

The gospel message points out that Christ has returned. He says that he will send his spirit, and that his words will judge those who don't heed them. Paul points out that it is in the "twinkling of an eye" that one sees death has no sting in a world that is quickly passing away. It is a grand deception, and all of those examples spotlight this fact. As long as one continues to wait for Christ's return, they are still being deceived. One cannot receive Christ anywhere other than in one's heart. As soon as that happens, that old heart is destroyed. The edifice is razed to the ground. To rebuild it is to rebuild a corpse; a monster. God is no longer worshipped in stone buildings made by hand. God is worshipped in spirit and truth. If one can hear it, this is the day of salvation.

n2thelight · Sep 12, 2019

shnarkle said:
The gospel message points out that Christ has returned. He says that he will send his spirit, and that his words will judge those who don't heed them. Paul points out that it is in the "twinkling of an eye" that one sees death has no sting in a world that is quickly passing away. It is a grand deception, and all of those examples spotlight this fact. As long as one continues to wait for Christ's return, they are still being deceived. One cannot receive Christ anywhere other than in one's heart. As soon as that happens, that old heart is destroyed. The edifice is razed to the ground. To rebuild it is to rebuild a corpse; a monster. God is no longer worshipped in stone buildings made by hand. God is worshipped in spirit and truth. If one can hear it, this is the day of salvation.

Just gonna leave you with this .When Christ returns ALL shall be changed ,age of the flesh is over.In other words ,if you are still in your flesh body,Christ has NOT returned!!!!!!

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