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Does not edify .... How can one make that statement if God hadnt wanted us to know these things he wouldnt have written them? Not one iota of Gods Word is not worth knowing because I learned these things I better understand the whole bible and Gods plan ...will not knowing these things affect your salvation , no, not directly but it makes it much easier to be lead astray not knowing them. Saying is does not edify is a lie .... Sense you dont know these things ... You can not make a judgement on what you do not know Do you understand Rev. in its entirety ? You cant fully understand the End if you do not know the begining ... Choosing to stay in the dark because men do not teach things does not edify one ...It just makes one in the dark... We choose to know all our God has to say ... That is edifying!..God himself has written deeper things and mysteries in the Word What does He say about this He tells us LEARN this meat do not stay in the milk...another words milk alone will not sustain one. So you say it does not edify... Gods says Learn these things ..Who is it you think is right? Now as I said you dont want to know/believe these things thats entirley your choice ... But passing a jugdement on those of us that do want to know that do teach them as God intended... Do you find that edifying?
 

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Does not edify .... How can one make that statement if God hadnt wanted us to know these things he wouldnt have written them? Not one iota of Gods Word is not worth knowing because I learned these things I better understand the whole bible and Gods plan ...will not knowing these things affect your salvation , no, not directly but it makes it much easier to be lead astray not knowing them. Saying is does not edify is a lie .... Sense you dont know these things ... You can not make a judgement on what you do not know Do you understand Rev. in its entirety ? You cant fully understand the End if you do not know the begining ... Choosing to stay in the dark because men do not teach things does not edify one ...It just makes one in the dark... We choose to know all our God has to say ... That is edifying!..God himself has written deeper things and mysteries in the Word What does He say about this He tells us LEARN this meat do not stay in the milk...another words milk alone will not sustain one. So you say it does not edify... Gods says Learn these things ..Who is it you think is right? Now as I said you dont want to know/believe these things thats entirley your choice ... But passing a jugdement on those of us that do want to know that do teach them as God intended... Do you find that edifying?
What you are talking about is not meat. Meat is for defending the faith against aspostasy so that we may present the believers as a chaste bride to Christ Jesus by His grace by the mystery we do preach that Christ is in you.What you are talking about is that you believe dinosaurs existed before man. That is flesh. You cannot have one without the other. You cannot say that you are not talking about flesh when you are talking about dinosaurs.What you are talking about takes away the validity of God's words when behemoth is a description of a dinosaur in Job 40. That means you are compromising what the Bible says for the sake of man's assumptions in science. And by doing so, you are reading inbetween the lines for something to defend the faith in the Bible and Jesus so it would be backed up by "man" in science.What you are talking about takes away the glory of Jesus Christ by saying that death was in the world before Adam came. What would be the point of creation before Adam? God goofed? God was experimenting until He got it right? You say God destroyed or laid waste the earth before and yet how then can Adam be responsible for bringing death in the world by his sin if it was already in the world before Adam came? How can creation groaneth for the redemption of the children of God if that does not really guarantee anything for them, being how creation was already in the earth and death came and here they are again, but this time sin entered into the world and death by sin, but wait. In according to the First Earth Age, it was already in the world or was it? In according to the glory of God found only in Jesus Christ, there is no point nor purpose for the First Earth Age to even be mentioned since everything centered in the Bible on the first man that brought sin and death into the world, and thereby is the glory of Jesus Christ is known as life is through believing in Him.Did the disciples preached this belief as a good work to maintain? No. All I am asking you to do is consider that if the Serpent Seed doctrine and the First Earth Age are not the fables that believers in the latter days will turn their ears towards, then where are those fables?I don't see you preaching against any specific fable that believers have an itching ear for so where is it?Nowhere in sight. I do not see anything anywhere else either in other forums, but I have heard of the Serpent Seed doctrine in other forums and the reference to the first earth age as a belief from the Satanic Bible. Oh, yeah.. it is there.So how can you NOT take pause in what you are doing?What did Paul say? 1 Corinthians 2:2 Then do that instead, by His grace.
 

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Does not edify .... How can one make that statement if God hadnt wanted us to know these things he wouldnt have written them? Not one iota of Gods Word is not worth knowing because I learned these things I better understand the whole bible and Gods plan ...will not knowing these things affect your salvation , no, not directly but it makes it much easier to be lead astray not knowing them. Saying is does not edify is a lie .... Sense you dont know these things ... You can not make a judgement on what you do not know Do you understand Rev. in its entirety ? You cant fully understand the End if you do not know the begining ... Choosing to stay in the dark because men do not teach things does not edify one ...It just makes one in the dark... We choose to know all our God has to say ... That is edifying!..God himself has written deeper things and mysteries in the Word What does He say about this He tells us LEARN this meat do not stay in the milk...another words milk alone will not sustain one. So you say it does not edify... Gods says Learn these things ..Who is it you think is right? Now as I said you dont want to know/believe these things thats entirley your choice ... But passing a jugdement on those of us that do want to know that do teach them as God intended... Do you find that edifying?
What you are talking about is not meat. Meat is for defending the faith against aspostasy so that we may present the believers as a chaste bride to Christ Jesus by His grace by the mystery we do preach that Christ is in you.What you are talking about is that you believe dinosaurs existed before man. That is flesh. You cannot have one without the other. You cannot say that you are not talking about flesh when you are talking about dinosaurs.What you are talking about takes away the validity of God's words when behemoth is a description of a dinosaur in Job 40. That means you are compromising what the Bible says for the sake of man's assumptions in science. And by doing so, you are reading inbetween the lines for something to defend the faith in the Bible and Jesus so it would be backed up by "man" in science.What you are talking about takes away the glory of Jesus Christ by saying that death was in the world before Adam came. What would be the point of creation before Adam? God goofed? God was experimenting until He got it right? You say God destroyed or laid waste the earth before and yet how then can Adam be responsible for bringing death in the world by his sin if it was already in the world before Adam came? How can creation groaneth for the redemption of the children of God if that does not really guarantee anything for them, being how creation was already in the earth and death came and here they are again, but this time sin entered into the world and death by sin, but wait. In according to the First Earth Age, it was already in the world or was it? In according to the glory of God found only in Jesus Christ, there is no point nor purpose for the First Earth Age to even be mentioned since everything centered in the Bible on the first man that brought sin and death into the world, and thereby is the glory of Jesus Christ is known as life is through believing in Him.Did the disciples preached this belief as a good work to maintain? No. All I am asking you to do is consider that if the Serpent Seed doctrine and the First Earth Age are not the fables that believers in the latter days will turn their ears towards, then where are those fables?I don't see you preaching against any specific fable that believers have an itching ear for so where is it?Nowhere in sight. I do not see anything anywhere else either in other forums, but I have heard of the Serpent Seed doctrine in other forums and the reference to the first earth age as a belief from the Satanic Bible. Oh, yeah.. it is there.So how can you NOT take pause in what you are doing?What did Paul say? 1 Corinthians 2:2 Then do that instead, by His grace.
Milk is for basic knowledge of faith. (salvlation, repentance, faith etc) Meat, however is for deeper knowledge of God's Words... And that is absolutely what God want us to do to make sure we aren't being led astray. In the bible, did you not know that angels (spirits) are also classified as men also? (Isaiah 14:16, Genesis 19:1, 10, 12, 15)Let me ask you a question... in your life, have you ever seen a live dinosaur ever existed? Or do you see fossils of dinosaurs? Or none of the above? With all due respect, in my honest opinion, I think you are trying way too hard in trying to disprove what God Himself said and through His prophet Jeremiah and Christ's Apostle Peter just said... In fact Christ even talked about an Age.
 

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Milk is for basic knowledge of faith. (salvlation, repentance, faith etc) Meat, however is for deeper knowledge of God's Words... And that is absolutely what God want us to do to make sure we aren't being led astray. In the bible, did you not know that angels (spirits) are also classified as men also? (Isaiah 14:16, Genesis 19:1, 10, 12, 15)
Isaiah 14:16 is part of a proverb taken up against the King Of Babylon. By His grace, please note that so when the Word of the Lord referenced Lucifer to this king, he will know what will happen to him.Isaiah 14: 4That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! 5The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. 6He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. 7The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. 8Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. 9Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.Now after referencing Lucifer to give an example, the Lord went back to addressing what will happen to this king. Isaiah 14: 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. 21Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. 22For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 23I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts. 24The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:You cannot say that the Lord was speaking to Lucifer at this time, but giving a reference about Lucifer within this proverb to the King of Babylon whom was thinking like Lucifer. Afterwards, the Lord changed His address to Assyria.Your next reference is using the term for the purpose of giving account.Genesis 19:1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; 5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. ..... 10But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. 11And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. 12And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: ..... 15And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. 16And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.From verse 5, those wanting to see the "two visitors" addressed them as men. They did not see them as angels to fear them. This interchange between the terms angels and the men were for addressing that they were the one and the same that these wicked people were asking for as these same angels were the men being physical in dealing with Lot.Reading implications from these scriptures to support a teaching is the same as pentecostal and charismatic are doing by seeking another spirit to receive as if supported by the Book of Acts of more than one baptism of the Spirit which there isn't any.Here is the subject plainly talked about in scriptures about angels being able to mingle with mankind.Matthew 22: 29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Do you believe Jesus or not?1 Corinthians 15: 36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.Seen any fossilized bones of fallen angels? It is because they are celestial: a different body. The bodies they are in cannot die. Terrestrial bodies can. As all flesh is not the same flesh, and to every seed his own body, then the celestial which are not marrying nor given in marriage, and neither are there any seeds after their own kind as a celestial being, even in a fallen state, cannot reproduce between mankind any more than mankind can reproduce with animals. Why? Because God has ordained it.Too much credence has been given to Satan and his fallen angels as interfering in God's plan in creation. For all the bravado, Satan cannot do anything unless God permits it.If Jesus said that angels are not marrying nor given in marriage, then by the union God gives in marriage, the sons of God cannot be angels for them to be able to take the daughters of men as "wives" to be called "wives". Do you really think God is ordaining same sex union even though some sinner is joining them? In God's eyes, they are still not married. Then neither are angels created to not be marrying nor given in marriage would be taking wives as joined to be one flesh by God being how they are not the same flesh. Certainly be not of truth to still call them the sons of God if they be fallen agnels to "take wives" unto themselves and thus why would God join them?Since all life from the womb is of the Lord as children are a heritage from the Lord, nothing can be created outside of Him.No matter how you look at it, there are mounting contradictions in pursuing this "fable". What is plainly written in scriptures reproves this fable as a false teaching.
Let me ask you a question... in your life, have you ever seen a live dinosaur ever existed? Or do you see fossils of dinosaurs? Or none of the above? With all due respect, in my honest opinion, I think you are trying way too hard in trying to disprove what God Himself said and through His prophet Jeremiah and Christ's Apostle Peter just said... In fact Christ even talked about an Age.
In all due respect to God's words, are you sure you are not trying too hard in ignoring the description of a dinosaur in Job 40 for some fleeting vanity of having some secret knowledge of a former age? I believe His Word.Job 40: 15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
 

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These maybe your take on these verse's Pariah but that doesnt make it the right or only take You of course can believe what you like ..but as far as I know your view is just that.Your view There are many other verses about this that are not posted here and the ones you have addressed I dont happen to agree with your view entirley.. The whole Bible fits together like a puzzle and you cant just decide this is this and that is that without considering the whole plan/picture IMHO I dont think your view does that. So as I said your entitled to have your view thats fine with us ..but somehow you seem to think your view gives you a right to judge us for teaching our view what you decide is or isnt milk or meat is not our criteria for deciding what we teach ...We teach what we believe there is more than ample proof of We give many scriptures to prove it... If you dont agree .. You do not have to read it.. or agree with it but please stop trying to tell us we should teach only what you think appropriate for reasons you deem important.We teach what we believe God's Word says.
 

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Pariah: Thanks for another delivery of the truth in this color coded mish mash of error.Josiahdefender
I thank the Lord for enabling me as I hope and pray He may deliver some from the snares of these fables to serving the Lord Jesus Christ by keeping the faith which is the good fight.Colossians 4: 3Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds: 4That I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak. 5Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.Romans 16: 24The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. 25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:Colossians 1:26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.1 Timothy 4: 1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 2 Corinthians 13: 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?1 Corinthians 6:15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.Ephesians 5:15See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
 

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God doesnt write fables only men continue in their fables and lies and traditions of menAmos 8:11 Behold,the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD2 Peter3: 5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; One who think's this was Noahs flood which was never hid and in fact exist in folklore in every civiliztion of mankind and thinks as the manscripts say that Noahs flood destroyed the heavens is listening to men. God promises to Make a New heaven and a New Earth one thinking he could not do it before limits the powers of God. 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] 8 But, ye most dear, this one thing be not hid to you [be not unknown], that one day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years be as one day [and a thousand years as one day]. 9 The Lord tarrieth not his promise, as some [men] guess, but he doeth patiently for you, and will not that any man perish [not willing any to perish], but that all turn again to penance. 10 For the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which heavens with great rush shall pass [in which heavens with great rush, or fierceness, shall pass], and elements shall be dissolved by heat, and the earth, and all the works that be in it, shall be burnt.
 

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I was talking with this old man at work today. I always ask him about when he was on the ark. I asked him today,,, "Why didn't God have you guys put a sail on that thing?Without missing a beat he said,,, "Cause we had those two Johnson motors out back"
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So, now inlight of the supposed 50k y/o spark plug on top of the mountain, I believe in the first earth age, and they didn't even have flying cars. So now I feel better.
 

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God doesnt write fables only men continue in their fables and lies and traditions of menAmos 8:11 Behold,the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD2 Peter3: 5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; One who think's this was Noahs flood which was never hid and in fact exist in folklore in every civiliztion of mankind and thinks as the manscripts say that Noahs flood destroyed the heavens is listening to men. God promises to Make a New heaven and a New Earth one thinking he could not do it before limits the powers of God. 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] 8 But, ye most dear, this one thing be not hid to you [be not unknown], that one day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years be as one day [and a thousand years as one day]. 9 The Lord tarrieth not his promise, as some [men] guess, but he doeth patiently for you, and will not that any man perish [not willing any to perish], but that all turn again to penance. 10 For the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which heavens with great rush shall pass [in which heavens with great rush, or fierceness, shall pass], and elements shall be dissolved by heat, and the earth, and all the works that be in it, shall be burnt.
Is that what's throwing you for a loop? The heavens before? Did you not know that it did not rain on the earth before the Flood? The heavens had to be different before the Flood. Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. If you figure in the fact that as Adam and Eve are just starting out, man is not everywhere yet to till the earth. so we have this greenhouse effect for the plant life of the earth to be cared for by the mist. So when the rain fell, the heavens and the order of things had shifted. We have evidence of that a meteor hit off the coast of Nova Scotia. The Mid- Atlantic Ridge shows evidence of water erosion... but how unless there was no Atlantic Ocean from before? A meteor hit in that area would cause the fountain of the deep to rise up. There is an island off of Nova Scotia of buried petrified Redwood trees in the sunken middle of that island. We have a road that starts off from South America somewhere along the coast towards Europe... so how can that be unless... the reason why the Atlantic Ocean is green is because it used to be above water as plant life that would survive the drop beneathe the water would continue to green the water while the Pacific remain crystal blue because that was the original sea. Huge buildings off the coast of Cuba are found underwater as a string of land can be determined as once connecting to the Yucatan off the coast of Mexico. So if a huge vacancy beneathe the land caused by the rising of the waters from the deep due to the gravitational pressure of the meteor impact, the land has no choice but to sink. The moon showings visible scars of meteoric hits as science determined that at one point in time, it was closer to the earth as it is being registered now as slowing moving away from the earth. The result of impact? Since the moon is responsible for the tide, what of the mist? If moved further away from the earth, would the slight gravitational pull cause the mist to rise and condense and form clouds and thus rain? Could not the combination of all this effect cause the Flood for the very first time and this one time only? Also, you might want to read what God said after the Flood.Genersis 8: 21And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. 22While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.Reads to me that this was done for the first time, being how the reason is still the same regarding the condition of man. God did not had to do it twice to know this.So in that.. the heavens were changed from before. The moon was faceless and closer to the earth as a mist tended to the plantlife on the earth for that greenhouse effect. That is why there are plant life at Antarctica under the frozen ice shelf. That is why the Mammoth were found frozen alive with lush plant life he was eating in its mouth in the Tundra region of Siberia. That is why out of place artifacts are found as man made things cannot be dated and confirmed to be in line with the evolution theory.The answer is there in the Bible, Christine. The world and the heavens thereof was different before the Flood as we can see the after effects of that disaster with fossilized whale bones and other marine life on mountains found with fossilized animal bones and the shocking moon face to remind us thereof.
 

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Pariah, you can quote scriptures all you like, but it changes nothing. All I see is scriptures being twisted. And Genesis 2 has nothing to do with the First Earth Age. Likewise, it has nothing to do with Genesis 1:1-2. Nor does Genesis 8 has to do with First Earth Age (Genesis 1:1-2). I still find it astounding that you continue in pure speculation in denying the pure past... the past before Noah's flood and the past before Adam (and Eve) ever existed.By the way, Noah's Flood was not hidden. People didn't see their own doomed until it was too late for them.
 

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Pariah, you can quote scriptures all you like, but it changes nothing. All I see is scriptures being twisted. And Genesis 2 has nothing to do with the First Earth Age. Likewise, it has nothing to do with Genesis 1:1-2. Nor does Genesis 8 has to do with First Earth Age (Genesis 1:1-2). I still find it astounding that you continue in pure speculation in denying the pure past... the past before Noah's flood and the past before Adam (and Eve) ever existed.
It is called observation, Jordan, as in what you can visibly see in nature. The Mid-Atlantic Ridge cannot show water erosion if it was under water. Why would a road be heading out towards Europe and again... there is a road heading out towards the the west from Europe, both into the ocean? It is being recorded and observed by science that the moon was closer to the earth as it is moving slowly away. Information about how rain develops in weather and the tide in regards to the moon is even known: ripples of the gravitational efffect of the moon being forced away from the earth? Doesn't take much of an imagination to piece all the clues together. But apparently, it takes alot of imagination for you to see the fables inbetween the lines in the Bible and yet you would not call that speculation. You would say that my view is because of the lie of man and yet man has been saying the same fables in different ways... the Greek mythology and the Norse mythology.Go ahead. Use your own knowledge filter at this site. This site even encourages that as you peruse the evidences collected and ignored by the world. Over in left column is a picture of a head and neck of a dinosaur washed up on a beach with men standing over it taken in the 1920's. It was published in a newspaper. Click on it for more info.OOPARTS
By the way, Noah's Flood was not hidden. People didn't see their own doomed until it was too late for them.
Now who is speculating? God told Noah to take himself and his family into the ark ahead of time. Genesis 7:1And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. 4For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.Also you are forgetting God's promise in setting a rainbow to never flood the earth again. It is no speculation to know that this extra boundary established cannot be seen unless it is raining in the presence of sunshine, thus it had not rained in the earth before the Flood for anyone to see a rainbow.May God continue to lead you into investigating before selling yourself short on a lie already perpertrated by man elsewhere. Although if pride has already settled in like those that have tongues and refuses to take the matter to the Lord for discernment, I may find you using the link to support your fables rather than being a detective.Be a superjag, Jordan. Have Denver join you in this mystery since he is a cop, but make sure you both are leaning on God's promise to give the answers to the knowledge of the truth... and not what you guys want to be true.
 

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Again, we're talking about a past before Noah's Flood, You can't refute a past event with a future event. It doesn't work that way and never will.Secondly and lastly, you won't find me using links to anything.
 

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I was talking with this old man at work today. I always ask him about when he was on the ark. I asked him today,,, "Why didn't God have you guys put a sail on that thing?Without missing a beat he said,,, "Cause we had those two Johnson motors out back"
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So, now inlight of the supposed 50k y/o spark plug on top of the mountain, I believe in the first earth age, and they didn't even have flying cars. So now I feel better.
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Glad you feel better IMHO every good Bible student knows theres a something before this age. He foreknew us A first earth age is written in scripture only those who are blinded by men and havent been able to get past milk or traditions can not see it. Its the mystery(hid thing) Peter tells us. Its so very important in scripture when God says he is going to tell us a mystery (a hidden thing).. yet men just brush it aside like its nothing important no big deal they say ..What could God possably tell us we do not already know what arrogant creatures we humans are.... God is awesome what he will do again (new Heavens and Earth) he has done before he tells us so ... Some can deny and twist scripture but once you see the truth ... You can not unlearn what God has given you the wisdom to see ... human arguments against Gods wisdom is pointless and thats why we will continue to teach this doctrine in spite of the those who do not see. Now what was Gods command Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. I trust he knew what he was saying when he told them to REPLENISH the earth. Though it seems others would rather spend their time trying to argue with God Words to maintain their mens traditions.
 

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This is the word the Bible used in defining as replenish.male' or malae (Esth. 7:5) {maw-law'}; a primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively):--accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) full(-ly, -ly set, tale), (over-)flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a (hand-)full, + have wholly.pronounced: maw-lay'Are you sure you know what replenish meant in the Bible?You cannot assume that the way you would use replenish today is how the word is used in the Bible.Same thing with void.bohuw from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:--emptiness, void.Pronounced bo'-hooNote... it is not a meaning to be "emptied" but meaning to be empty.. a vacuity... emptiness.Thus it is to be understood when following..." And the earth was without form and void..."
 

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I could ask you the Same question "Are you sure you know what your talking about"? it's the earth BECAME VOID in the hebrew And the earth was* without form*, and void*; and darkness* was upon the face of the deep* .* And the Spirit of Godmoved upon the face of the waters.was - The word used here for was is the Hebrew word hayah which means "became." This clearly says that the earth was not created this way but it became this way!-----------------------------------Strongs DefinitionHebrew word #1961 hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare 1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary)-----------------------------------Like I told you Pariah believe what ever you like but you can not prove this wrong in scripture because its written all you can do is put your spin on the scripture and choose not believe it ...fine by us ... But you can not disprove Gods Word ...
 

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Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
 

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Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Then why do you not believe that God made the behemoth which has been described as a dinosaur with man then?A picture is worth a thousand words, Jordan. A dinosaur footprint stepping on a man's footprint has been confirmed by a CT scan.Dinosaur Footprint Steps On Man's Footprint LinkJob 40:15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. 20Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 21He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 22The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. 23Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 24He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.
 

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I could ask you the Same question "Are you sure you know what your talking about"? it's the earth BECAME VOID in the hebrew And the earth was* without form*, and void*; and darkness* was upon the face of the deep* .* And the Spirit of Godmoved upon the face of the waters.was - The word used here for was is the Hebrew word hayah which means "became." This clearly says that the earth was not created this way but it became this way!-----------------------------------Strongs DefinitionHebrew word #1961 hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare 1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary)-----------------------------------Like I told you Pariah believe what ever you like but you can not prove this wrong in scripture because its written all you can do is put your spin on the scripture and choose not believe it ...fine by us ... But you can not disprove Gods Word ...
All I see is you wanting that word hayah to mean became. Anybody can look up that word to confirm what I am saying is true.hayah pronounced haw-yaw a primitive root (compare 'hava'' (1933)); to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary):--beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.So in other words... the earth became without form and void would make earth non-existent by your usage.Ever considered that the writer of Genesis was referring to the earth the readers knew of before God's act of creation?Also. God created light to begin His acts of creation after that verse, so did God nullified everything in the universe to create this pre- Noahic Flood?You have to line up the fables with all of God's words as these fables do not flow with God's words.A picture is worth a thousand words. Then how about two of dinosaurs existing with man?1925 Newspaper Photos
 

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With all due respect, You are sitting in denial... That picture has the fossils of a dinosaur... Have you seen a live dinosaur today? I haven't yet in my human life.