Has Jesus come in the spirit?

ScottA said:

Except in us (Christ in us), He will not lower Himself again (the Word become flesh and a light into darkness), for he said, "It is finished."

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amadeus said:

"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." John 19:30

"And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour." Mark 15:33

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justbyfaith said:

Went right over my head...

Is there a point you are trying to make, @amadeus?

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A point? Not especially but I thought others might see a connection between what @ScottA posted with regard to "light into darkness" for Jesus was the Light of the world. Then during the work day there was darkness:

"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." John 9:5-6

But then when he was not longer IN the world:

"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world..." John 17:11

Are not we, "these", and then in the following verse, "ye"?

"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." Matt 5:14

So then maybe we can also understand this verse:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12

amadeus said:

A point? Not especially but I thought others might see a connection between what @ScottA posted with regard to "light into darkness" for Jesus was the Light of the world. Then during the work day there was darkness:

"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." John 9:5-6

But then when he was not longer IN the world:

"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world..." John 17:11

Are not we, "these", and then in the following verse, "ye"?

"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." Matt 5:14

So then maybe we can also understand this verse:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12

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Intriguing. Could you elaborate some more on what you are trying to say by this?

justbyfaith said:

Intriguing. Could you elaborate some more on what you are trying to say by this?

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What am I trying to say? Or is it God trying to say something through me. Some will undoubtedly deny that last no matter what I say:

Jesus was/is the Word of God, but things got very dark and he no longer spoke. He said it is finished and gave up the ghost. Talk about a shortage of the Word of God due to darkness! They carried his carnal body away and buried it in a tomb... but then Life anew, he resurrected... that is arose from the dead.

The Light returned as Day resumed for anyone who was hungry and thirsty for His Kingdom and His righteousness. Then that Light was available for "whosoever will" and within those was the Light now showing... unless they were hiding under a bushel as some are wont to do. Jesus was no long IN the world of temptation, but we are.

In us now is the Hope, the Light, but too many are taking the "wide gate" keeping any Light they might have received well covered. Nevertheless there are those "few" entering in by the "strait gate" who are displaying their Light so that others will be attracted to it. We walk displaying that Light it will light up the dark places of hearts around us... even as Jesus did... but he said "greater works" shall be done by you and by me and by all who have that Light and don't try to cover it up all the time. The covering up occurs each time any one of us with the Holy Spirit quenches that Spirit.

Where is the Word of God? In an unopened Bible? There lots of those around in the United States and other supposedly Christian countries, but is Jesus dead on the cross again? Are we in the midst of a famine? Who is causing the famine? Not Jesus? Not God?... But is it you or me or some of our neighborhood preachers who claim to have the Light?

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:" Amos 8:11

Has Jesus come in the Spirit in me or in you or in all of others naming themselves, Christians? Who is able to see Him? Who is able to hear Him? No eyes? No ears?

amadeus said:

Where is the Word of God? In an unopened Bible?

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Surely it is in a Bible that has entered into the heart.

2Co 3:3, Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Rom 10:8, But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

1Co 8:1, Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
1Co 8:2, And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
1Co 8:3, But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

Because,

1Ti 1:5, Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

ScottA said:

The point I am wanting to amplify and ask for people to seriously consider or reconsider, is:

Where is Jesus Now?

Is He at the right hand of the Father, only to return at some distant, future date, by a mass event?

Or is it actually as He said, and He has come "quickly" and has "come in" to those who have opened the door when He knocked, beginning "quickly" after He went to the Father; and as the apostle Paul said, "each in his own order?"

...The scriptures simply do not say that Jesus returns in a future one-time mass event -- people do.

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Are you in your spiritual body?

Scripture very much teaches that He shall return,in fact it speaks of both His advents

I can post some things but I won't,at least not right now,however please do a study of the two advents of Christ!!~!

amadeus said:

A point? Not especially but I thought others might see a connection between what @ScottA posted with regard to "light into darkness" for Jesus was the Light of the world. Then during the work day there was darkness:

"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." John 9:5-6

But then when he was not longer IN the world:

"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world..." John 17:11

Are not we, "these", and then in the following verse, "ye"?

"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." Matt 5:14

So then maybe we can also understand this verse:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12

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amadeus said:

"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." John 19:30

"And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour." Mark 15:33

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very good John, what exactly was finished?

VictoryinJesus said:

Not sure on the “lowering”. His body is here. 2 Corinthians 4:7-12 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. [8] We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; [9] Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; [10] Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. [11] For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. [12] So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

Luke 22:25-27
[25] And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. [26] But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. [27] For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

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It’s Pretty obvious, the time of vain imagination, and self exaltation are over... He’s thrown down every vain imagination.

Waiting on him said:

It’s Pretty obvious, the time of vain imagination, and self exaltation are over... He’s thrown down every vain imagination.

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Romans 8:20-21
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Freedom from vanity and the bondage of corruption in the hope of Matthew 11:28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


The truth is in Him. Not a theology kind of head knowledge but the truth as in a path...the way, the truth and the Life. Everything He displayed even up to “take up your cross” is the way out. He told them “You know the way.” And they followed Him that narrow way out in “losing your life, you will find Life.” Paul followed Him that narrow way out. Paul even said(inspired by the Holy Spirit) Romans 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Whom the Son sets free is free indeed...from vanity and the bondage of corruption, or led of the Spirit in walking the narrow way out of it.

VictoryinJesus said:

Romans 8:20-21
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Freedom from vanity and the bondage of corruption in the hope of Matthew 11:28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


The truth is in Him. Not a theology kind of head knowledge but the truth as in ...the way, the truth and the Life. Everything He displayed even up to “take up your cross” is the way out. He told them “You know the way.” And they followed Him that narrow way out in “losing your life, you will find Life.” Paul followed Him that narrow way out. Paul even said(inspired by the Holy Spirit) Romans 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Whom the Son sets free is free indeed...from vanity and the bondage of corruption, or led of the Spirit in walking the narrow way out of it.

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Yes, it’s narrow alright. For those who believe the crusifiction is finished they need to have a second look. There are many going to that cross, this very moment. I have to only assume at some point they actually went there.
It’s a perpetual happening.

Waiting on him said:

Yes, it’s narrow alright. For those who believe the crusifiction is finished they need to have a second look. There are many going to that cross, this very moment. I have to only assume at some point they actually went there.
It’s a perpetual happening.

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Hello waiting,
Indeed. The paschal mystery of Jesus' crucifixtion and resurrection trancends all time.
The CCC puts it this way:
"His Paschal mystery is a real event that occurred in our history, but it is unique: all other historical events happen once, and then they pass away, swallowed up in the past. the Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is - all that he did and suffered for all men - participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. the event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life."

Peace be with you!

Philip James said:

Hello waiting,
Indeed. The paschal mystery of Jesus' crucifixtion and resurrection trancends all time.
The CCC puts it this way:
"His Paschal mystery is a real event that occurred in our history, but it is unique: all other historical events happen once, and then they pass away, swallowed up in the past. the Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is - all that he did and suffered for all men - participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. the event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life."

Peace be with you!

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What’s the CCC?

Waiting on him said:

What’s the CCC?

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Sorry , i should have linked it.
The catechism of the catholic church :
Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

Peace!

Philip James said:

Sorry , i should have linked it.
The catechism of the catholic church :
Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

Peace!

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Pardon my ignorance.

Waiting on him said:

Pardon my ignorance.

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This is bizarre, I’m in agreement with the CCC. @historyb, you see this Bob? You said you didn’t think it possible for us to agree on anything?

Does this mean we can walk together?

ScottA said:

Christ "lowering" Himself and coming in the flesh, He did by becoming a man "a little lower than the angels." But this He did "once for all", so the idea that He would do it again is against the scriptures, against Jesus saying "It is finished", and against the belief that He has already come in the flesh according to the witness of those whom He has sent out as His witnesses. The very idea is against Christ--it is anti-Christ.

Christ has come in the flesh already. Now is not the time to be looking to the earth and down, but to "look up for our redemption draws near."

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( and @amadeus )
Would you say that the next 'coming' will be Christ in us?

Rom 8 19 "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. "

I know you are a rapturists , but I tend to believe that Rom 8.19 is His coming. For me that is the rapture.

Is that 'a bridge too far'...?

"ByGrace" said:

I know you are a rapturists , but I tend to believe that Rom 8.19 is His coming. For me that is the rapture.

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The rapture is the Latin word rapturo, translated from the Greek harpazo, it means to be caught up; and it refers to what is spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. Which passage tells us that the Lord shall descend from heaven with a trumpet blast, and a shout, with the voice of the archangel; and the dead in Christ shall rise first; then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Waiting on him said:

This is bizarre, I’m in agreement with the CCC. @historyb, you see this Bob? You said you didn’t think it possible for us to agree on anything?

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I see it and I am not Bob! Please stop calling me that. Evangicals may agree on some things but they will never fully agree because they value their own ideas more than God's.

historyb said:

I see it and I am not Bob! Please stop calling me that. Evangicals may agree on some things but they will never fully agree because they value their own ideas more than God's.

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Actually, Catholics have their own ideas about God; for they rely on the words of men (the church); while Protestants rely on the word of God (the Holy Bible).

For Protestants, the word of the Lord is living and active (quick and powerful); for Catholics, it is rigid and must conform to the Church's past interpretations.