The Great Second Exodus

Jay Ross · Aug 11, 2019

Keraz said:
I have to dispute your belief of when the gathering of the Lord's people into all of the holy Land takes place.

The great gathering of all the Lord's faithful people, from every tribe, race, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9, will take place soon after the Day of cloud and darkness; the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Ezekiel 34:11-16 makes this clear. Many times Ezekiel says how His people will know He is the Lord, who helps them. By His actions - not His presence.
This is proved by Daniel 7:23 and Revelation 13:7, where they are in the Land when the AC is ruling the One World Govt. We Christians will not be a part of the OWG.

Having His people together in His Land, is the culmination of God's desire and it is our destiny to be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:6-8, Matthew 5:14-16

Keraz, you are right that God wants to gather all the saints to Himself, but the scriptures that you quote to back up this claim have been wrongly understood in that God has said that He will plant them in soil when he teaches them about the Kingdom of God. However, you need to look a little more deeply into the scriptures than the superficial readings that you have done of the fallible English Translations. In Daniel_7:27 the saints, we are told, will be given all of the earth, which is under the heavens.

As for 7:23 proving that the saints will be in the promised land, well that is just your supposition and take on the end times. I certainly do not perceive that written in the scriptures.

Shalom

Davy · Aug 11, 2019

Keraz said:
I have to dispute your belief of when the gathering of the Lord's people into all of the holy Land takes place.

The great gathering of all the Lord's faithful people, from every tribe, race, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9, will take place soon after the Day of cloud and darkness; the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Ezekiel 34:11-16 makes this clear. Many times Ezekiel says how His people will know He is the Lord, who helps them. By His actions - not His presence.
This is proved by Daniel 7:23 and Revelation 13:7, where they are in the Land when the AC is ruling the One World Govt. We Christians will not be a part of the OWG.

Having His people together in His Land, is the culmination of God's desire and it is our destiny to be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:6-8, Matthew 5:14-16

I cannot agree with you then.

What God's Word shows about the end is that the coming false Messiah to Jerusalem will remain in power there, with the deceived Jews falling away to believe he is the true Messiah. That will continue all the way up to Christ's second coming, and on that day, the day of Christ's return, is when He will defeat that false one in Jerusalem, and also the wicked in all the earth. That day is the day of God's consuming fire that will burn man's works off this earth. It is the "day of the Lord". And that is the day God's Word teaches when Jesus gathers His saints to Him to go to Jerusalem.

As a matter of fact, our Lord Jesus told those of us who are in the countries to not enter into Jerusalem when the coming Antichrist/false Messiah sets up the "abomination of desolation". And for His in Judea when they see that, they are to flee to the mountains...

Luke 21:20-22
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
KJV

So how is it that you say Christ is going to gather His Church to the holy lands prior... to the last day of this world, because the pseudo-Messiah is going to be there in power at Jerusalem? Your interpretation just does not fit.

Keraz · Aug 11, 2019

Jay Ross said:
As for 7:23 proving that the saints will be in the promised land, well that is just your supposition and take on the end times. I certainly do not perceive that written in the scriptures.

Sorry, I meant Daniel 7:25.
The Lord's holy people are together and the leader of the OWG referred to just before v25 and in Revelation 13, comes to them and conquers them. Zechariah 14:1-2
Isaiah 65:9b My chosen ones will take possession of the holy Land; Those who serve Me will live there. Psalns 37:9 & 29

Jay Ross · Aug 12, 2019

Keraz said:
Sorry, I meant Daniel 7:25.
The Lord's holy people are together and the leader of the OWG referred to just before v25 and in Revelation 13, comes to them and conquers them. Zechariah 14:1-2
Isaiah 65:9b My chosen ones will take possession of the holy Land; Those who serve Me will live there. Psalns 37:9 & 29

Your sorry about not using any verse references that actually support your supposition, that all of the saint will be in Jerusalem/the Land of Judah/the Promised Land, at the time of the end of the age of the ages.

You have a bad understanding of what will happen towards the end of the Last Age of the Ages.

You quote verse reference and then put your spin on what you understand the verse is stating, which sadly bears no likeness to the actual context of the verse.

Shalom

Keraz · Aug 21, 2019

Ezekiel 22:15-16 I will disperse you Israelites among the nations, scattered over all the earth. I shall sift you to get rid of your defilement. Deut. 29:28, Amos 9:9-10

The exile of Israel and Judah from the Holy Land was done in ancient times.
Throughout the ages, righteous people, Jews, Israelites from the ten Northern tribes, and Gentile believers, have kept the faith and shone the light of the Gospel around the world and now we look expectantly for the fulfilment of the wonderful promises to all those who love the Lord and keep His commandments.

Ezekiel 22:17-22 To the Lord, all of the House of Israel are but a debased alloy. So I shall gather you all into the Holy Land, as metal is refined in a crucible. I will fan the fire of My anger and wrath until you are melted. You will know that I the Lord, have poured out My anger upon you. Isaiah 41:1-10

This forthcoming fire judgement will affect the whole world, then as:

Ezekiel 20:34-38...I shall take you Israelites out of the nations.....gather you and judge you....those who rebel against Me will not enter the Land. Deuteronomy 30:1-10

Ezekiel 22:24 The Lord says to the land of Israel: You have become like a land on which no rain has fallen, on the Day of My wrath. Zephaniah 1:18, Ezekiel 20:47-48

The Holy Land becomes ‘scorched and untrodden’ - Jeremiah 9:10-11, Hosea 4:3

Joel 1:15-20…dry and ruined, for fire has burned the trees and pastures’.

Ezekiel 22:25-29 The leaders in the land are like lions that take what they want and the priests give rulings that violate My Laws, they profane what is sacred. The people do not keep My Sabbaths in truth and God is dishonoured among them. Their prophets and seers speak lies and the common people use extortion and commit robbery, oppressing the poor and the alien, denying them justice.

This is the situation worldwide, but particularly in all the area of the Holy Land. Jeremiah 25:29-30, Isaiah 22:12-14, Ezekiel 7:2-4]

Ezekiel 22:30-31 The Lord searches for anyone righteous who could stand before Him and plead for the people, to avert the destruction of the Land, but no such person can be found. Ezekiel 6:11-12

So the Lord will pour out His wrath upon them and utterly consume them in His blazing anger, thus bringing down upon them the punishment they deserve. Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

The terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, in His blazing anger:

This Day is described over 100 times in the Bible and is clearly prophesied to be a Coronal Mass Ejection; an explosion on the suns surface. Isaiah 30:26....the sun will shine seven times stronger….. Psalms 50:1-6, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7

All that area of the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed, Deuteronomy 32:43 and after that many prophecies say how the Land will be quickly regenerated, then how all the Lord’s faithful Christian people will gather and settle there. Great will be the Day!

Keraz · Aug 22, 2019

We know that Judah, the Jews, 2/12ths of the Israelites, have returned to the Land of Israel, but they face judgement in the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. Jeremiah 12:14-17 & Isaiah 22:1-14 describe very well God’s judgement of the current inhabitants of the Land. Romans 9:27

Many prophecies refer to the coming gathering, judgement and resettling of His people, righteous Israel, that is all 12 tribes, into the Promised Land. The question is: will this happen soon after this Day of the Lord, or after Jesus Returns?

These Bible quotes prove my contention that all Israel will be living in the Land before the Tribulation and will greet Jesus at His glorious Return with the shout; “Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord!”

Zechariah 9:13... Judah and Ephraim ready for war.
[The forthcoming Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath]

Zech. 9:14 The Lord will appear over them, His arrow like lightning.
[appear over, not with them. Arrows like lightning are a graphic description of coronal mass ejections]

Zech. 9: 15 ...Protection in the battle..... exulting over the enemy.

Zech. 9:16 On that Day, the Lord will save His people, like a flock in the Land.
[a remnant saved in Jerusalem. Isaiah 4:3-4 Those who are left in Judah will be called holy]

Isaiah 32- The Land forsaken and deserted. [after this fire judgement]

Isaiah 32:15-20 Until a Spirit from on high is lavished upon us. Justice and righteousness will then dwell in the Land, and then My people will live in a tranquil country. Despite damage to houses and property you will have ample food and shelter.
[God’s Spirit will come upon His people, not his presence, as yet.]

Isaiah 35:1-10 Let the wilderness be glad, let the Land flower. Say to the anxious – be strong, fear not. A highway will appear, the redeemed of the Lord will return to Zion and enter with shouts of joy. Ezekiel 20:42
[ His people, set free, gathered and redeemed, come back to a restored Land.]

Isaiah 65:9-18 My chosen ones will take possession of the Land, flocks will range over Sharon, they will belong to My people who seek Me.
[ Chosen ones; John 15:14-19 - faithful Christians, My people, who seek Me? The Lord can’t be actually present as yet.]

Hosea 14:7Israel will again dwell in My shadow– they will grow and flourish.
[Israel; now every faithful Christian, in His ‘shadow’; as it was in the first Exodus]

Isaiah 66:14-21 The Lord will make His power known among His servants and His wrath felt among His enemies.
[ By His great deeds and wrath, not His presence.]
They will proclaim the Good news of the coming Kingdom. [Proof that the 2nd Exodus happens before Jesus Returns.]

Jeremiah 31:3 From afar, He appeared to them, I will maintain My care for you.

Isaiah 49:22-23 The nations will bring My people back to the Land. You will know that I am the Lord. None who look to Me will be disappointed.

None of these Scriptures say that Jesus will be reigning at this time. The gathering of His people before His Return is for them to recover and fulfil God’s plans for them. They will “be a light to the nations”, spreading the Gospel of His salvation to all the world. Isaiah 49:8-13, Matthew 5:14-16
Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged.

Keraz · Sep 9, 2019

Cleanse Your Holy Land and give strength to Your faithful Christian People:

Psalms 68:1-35 Let the Lord arise, let His enemies be scattered. Let those who hate Him be gone! Let the Lord’s enemies perish in His fiery judgement 1, like wax before a fire and as smoke is dispersed.

Lord: summon Your strength, use it now as You did for Your people long ago. Rebuke those wild beasts, those proud and arrogant sinners; all those who love violence and war 2. All power and strength belongs to the Lord, enthroned on high. Cleanse now Your holy Land and give strength to Your people, we pray.

The Lord says: I shall bring My enemies together into the place of slaughter, from wherever they are. I will smite them there, their blood will flow out so that you can bathe your feet in it and your dogs will lick it up.

When the Lord speaks out in mighty thunder 1, kings and their armies will flee in terror. When the Almighty scatters those evil peoples and clears the holy Land, snow will fall on Mt Zalman3.

We sing the praises of our Savior and Redeemer. He who rides on the clouds, He is our Father and the defender of His righteous people, but those who refuse to acknowledge Him will remain in the desert 4.

When the Lord saves His people, there will be thousands of vehicles for them 5, as He leads them to safety through the barren desert. The earth will tremble and rain will pour down to replenish the holy Land 6. There Your people will settle, for in Your goodness Lord, You provide for the poor and needy.

The procession of all Israel comes into view; into the Holy city. First the singers, then the musicians. The little tribe of Benjamin will lead, with Judah, Zebulon and Naphtali following, marching on their way the Zion’s holy mountain: on to the Temple in Jerusalem. Kings will bring gifts and envoys will come from far off nations to honor and praise Israel’s God. His Majesty and blessing is over the holy Land , the Lord enthroned in heaven will give strength to His people7.

Praise be to God! Ref: REB, CJB. Psalm 68, in a chronological order.

1/The Lord’s judgement by fire; an earth directed CME explosion of the suns surface: Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 66:15-16, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:10

2/ The Islamic peoples who love war and death: Ezekiel 35:5-6, Proverbs 1:16

3/ Mt Zalman – near Shechem. [Nablus] This detail informs us that the Day of the Lord’s wrath will happen during a Northern winter. Judges 9:48, Matthew 24:20

4/ Then all of the Lord’s people are gathered, then ‘passed under the rod of judgement’. Ezekiel 20:35-38…’those who revolt and rebel will not enter the Land’. Deuteronomy 32:36

5/ The Lord will provide transport! Isaiah 66:20, Psalms 107:1-32, Isaiah 60:1-9

6/ All of the holy Land will be regenerated and become fertile: Ezekiel 36:8-11, Isaiah 35:1-2, Isaiah 66:12, Joel 2:21-26, Amos 9:13-15

7/ Strength and comfort to His people: Isaiah 40:29-31, Jer. 31:21-26, Zech. 10:12 Note that the Lord remains ‘enthroned in heaven’. The glorious Return comes later. The Lord's true Christian people, from every tribe, [of Israel] every nation, [of the world] every language, [ethnic group] will gather in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9. THEY will build the Temple, Zechariah 6:15. THEY will elect leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11. THEY will greet Jesus after all that is prophesied takes place, with the shout: Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!

Davy · Sep 11, 2019

Still Keraz, you are preaching YOUR OWN WORD, and not God's Word, when you say we are to gather to Jerusalem before the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns.

Jerusalem at the very end of this world will NOT be the place for a Christian to be!

The reason is because the coming Antichrist/false Messiah is to show up there, working great signs and wonders that IF possible, would deceive even Christ's elect. Jesus told those of His in the countries to NOT enter into Jerusalem at that time when the "abomination of desolation" is setup (Luke 21). And He told those of His in Judea to FLEE to the mountains.

Your wrong interpretation of the OT prophets goes COMPLETELY against what our Lord Jesus foretold about the events of the last days for the tribulation.

Keraz · Sep 11, 2019

Davy said:
Jerusalem at the very end of this world will NOT be the place for a Christian to be!

Firstly it isn't the 'very end of this world', when these things happen.
Zechariah 14:1-2 is a plainly stated prophecy that says how the Anti-Christ ruler of the One World Govt WILL conquer God's faithful Christian people, who will all be living in all of the holy land at that time. Ezekiel 38 proves it and Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 confirm it. Revelation 12:6-17 describes this period.

You confuse Jesus' warning to the Jews of the first century to flee to the mountains, with the end times. Different people, different outcome.

Saying that I am completely wrong, because of what I present from the Bible prophets, is a serious accusation. It must be accompanied with Bible proofs that contradict it. Actually an impossibility, so your ranting and opposition is invalid. Read Ezekiel 34:11-16 and Isaiah 35:1-10 and refute them!

Jay Ross · Sep 11, 2019

Keraz said:
Saying that I am completely wrong, because of what I present from the Bible prophets, is a serious accusation. It must be accompanied with Bible proofs that contradict it. Actually an impossibility, so your ranting and opposition is invalid. Read Ezekiel 34:11-16 and Isaiah 35:1-10 and refute them!

Since you believe that the translations are infallible, then it is impossible to show you up for what you write. But the translations that you rely on for your understanding of prophecy are very fallible and is what is leading you astray in what you write. Your first error in the translations that you use is found in Gen_12:1 and compounds from there and as you admit you have no way of verifying the truth of the matter.

Shalom

Keraz · Sep 11, 2019

Jay Ross said:
Since you believe that the translations are infallible, then it is impossible to show you up for what you write. But the translations that you rely on for your understanding of prophecy are very fallible and is what is leading you astray in what you write. Your first error in the translations that you use is found in Gen_12:1 and compounds from there and as you admit you have no way of verifying the truth of the matter.

Shalom

The belief that the translations are all in error, is absolute rubbish.
If that was the case, then God has left us without hope and totally in the dark.

It is in fact; perfectly logical and feasible for all the Christians to migrate to and live in all of the holy Land. What is illogical and unfeasible, is a rapture to heaven, a fable dreamt up by those who are frightened by the prospect of having to actually prove their faith.

Jay Ross; you say the scriptures that I have posted are not correct, but you don't address any of them, so we can see your take on them.
Genesis 12:1, simply says that Abram left his birthplace and migrated to the holy Land. God told Him that his descendants would inherit it. We know from the Bible historical record that they never did occupy it exclusively. Judges 1:19, 21,27,29,30, 31,33,34
Today the Jews possess a small portion of the holy Land, but again with many Gentiles among them. But the Prophetic Word tells us that one day, only the faithful people of God will live there. Isaiah 35:1-10 makes that clear.
What is your objection to that?

Jay Ross · Sep 12, 2019

Keraz said:
Jay Ross; you say the scriptures that I have posted are not correct, but you don't address any of them, so we can see your take on them.
Genesis 12:1, simply says that Abram left his birthplace and migrated to the holy Land. God told Him that his descendants would inherit it. We know from the Bible historical record that they never did occupy it exclusively. Judges 1:19, 21,27,29,30, 31,33,34
Today the Jews possess a small portion of the holy Land, but again with many Gentiles among them. But the Prophetic Word tells us that one day, only the faithful people of God will live there. Isaiah 35:1-10 makes that clear.
What is your objection to that?

You have suggested that ISA_35:1-10 speaks to the fact that only faithful people will live in the land of Canaan and your reference passage certainly does not make the claims that you do. It's metaphorical language suggest something very different and the desert coming to life again is because of the revival in the earth of God's people as they are redeemed.

Because you claim to have no ability to verify the Hebrew and English text, you can only rely on the translations and if enough translations express the same understanding in their translations then you feel justified in your understanding, without still knowing whether or not the translations are right in their treatment of the source text. You read the translations literally whereas they are poetical and should be read poetically, and since I have already spent time previously explaining the errors in the translations and you have simply ignored what I have written, then is no point in trying to explain to you again the errors that you are ignoring.

You are pushing your hobby horse without the qualifications t back up what you write.

Shalom

Davy · Sep 13, 2019

Keraz said:
Firstly it isn't the 'very end of this world', when these things happen.
Zechariah 14:1-2 is a plainly stated prophecy that says how the Anti-Christ ruler of the One World Govt WILL conquer God's faithful Christian people, who will all be living in all of the holy land at that time. Ezekiel 38 proves it and Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 confirm it. Revelation 12:6-17 describes this period.

You confuse Jesus' warning to the Jews of the first century to flee to the mountains, with the end times. Different people, different outcome.

Saying that I am completely wrong, because of what I present from the Bible prophets, is a serious accusation. It must be accompanied with Bible proofs that contradict it. Actually an impossibility, so your ranting and opposition is invalid. Read Ezekiel 34:11-16 and Isaiah 35:1-10 and refute them!

In Luke 21, our Lord Jesus told those of us in the countries to NOT... enter into Jerusalem when the "abomination of desolation" is setup there. And He said for those in Judea there to flee to the mountains at that time. That's at the start of the tribulation He warned us about for the end of this world.

So if you preach 'escape' by going to Jerusalem right now, or at anytime in our near future, then that is to put oneself in danger there by the coming false Messiah. The warning to flee is NOT a 1st century event. It is for the very end of this world. I'm not going to get into Preterist's false notions against Christ's Olivet discourse which He gave for the events of the last generation that will see His 2nd coming.

Keraz · Sep 13, 2019

Davy said:
So if you preach 'escape' by going to Jerusalem right now, or at anytime in our near future, then that is to put oneself in danger there by the coming false Messiah.

As there is no 'false Messiah' prophesied, your contention is invalid.
The powerful man who will lead the One World Govt, will demand worship of himself as God, Revelation 13:15
We Christians will be safe in the holy Land, under the Lord's protection. Joel 2:18-20 Only those who agree to the 7 year treaty of peace with the OWG, Daniel 11:32, will have to remain for the period of the Anti-Christ's control of the holy Land. The faithful ones will be kept in a safe place. Revelation 12:14

Davy · Sep 14, 2019

Keraz said:
As there is no 'false Messiah' prophesied, your contention is invalid.

And all this time I thought you understood Bible prophecy about the coming Antichrist at the very end of this world just prior to Christ's return. Instead you show you are doomed to be deceived by the coming Antichrist in Jerusalem for the end.

There is... a false Messiah coming to Jerusalem for the very end. The term Jesus is quoted as saying in Matthew 24:24 is the Greek word pseudochristos, and Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated it to 'a spurious Messiah'...

NT:5580
pseudochristos (psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos); from NT:5571 and NT:5547; a spurious Messiah:

KJV - false Christ.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

The context of Matthew 24:23-26 is singular. It's about the "vile person" from Daniel 11 placing the "abomination of desolation", which is set for the end of this world with a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. It won't be some politician from the EU or Washington like you're trying to show, and point away from Jerusalem. The coming Antichrist is going to play Messiah in Jerusalem, and that is what Jesus showed, and what Apostle Paul showed in 2 Thessalonians 2. It is that one who will make war with the saints and have power to overcome them (Revelation 13; Daniel 7 & 8).

Keraz · Sep 14, 2019

Davy said:
And all this time I thought you understood Bible prophecy about the coming Antichrist at the very end of this world just prior to Christ's return. Instead you show you are doomed to be deceived by the coming Antichrist in Jerusalem for the end.

There is... a false Messiah coming to Jerusalem for the very end. The term Jesus is quoted as saying in Matthew 24:24 is the Greek word pseudochristos, and Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated it to 'a spurious Messiah'...

OK, Anti-Christ = pseudo Christos.
But the coming ruler of the One World Govt will demand worship of himself as God, not as Messiah to the Jews- as they won't be in the holy Land, only a remnant will join their Christian brethren there.

No need to make rude aspersions about my understanding, and I'm glad that you seem to have a handle on what will happen.

Davy · Sep 14, 2019

Keraz said:
OK, Anti-Christ = pseudo Christos.
But the coming ruler of the One World Govt will demand worship of himself as God, not as Messiah to the Jews- as they won't be in the holy Land, only a remnant will join their Christian brethren there.

No need to make rude aspersions about my understanding, and I'm glad that you seem to have a handle on what will happen.

The coming Antichrist will... claim to be God, and have the power of miracles to deceive the world into believing it too, including the orthodox Jews especially. That's the actual meaning of the Greek word for "antichrist" as it goes along with our Lord Jesus' warning about the pseudochristos who places the abomination idol at a new temple for the end in Jerusalem. Even the first century Church fathers understood this future antichrist event for Jerusalem involving a Jewish temple for the end. It's going to be Satan himself, which is something most can't seem to grasp because they don't believe all of God's Word (like the coming Rev.12:7-9 events), and they don't really understand the two separate dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, so they always look for a flesh-born man as the coming Antichrist.

The one-world government system is going to be a world 'kingdom'. This false Messiah that's coming will be setup as a king over it all, in Jerusalem. A certain group of orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem will crown him (Dan.11:21-23). The Book of Revelation reveals this too about the coming beast king, for those paying attention to Rev.9, 12, 13, 17 and 18.

The gathering of the Church to Christ Jesus is not until all the above has played out and is over, not until the very end of the time of great tribulation, i.e., the latter 1260 days shown in Daniel and Revelation. At the start of Daniel's symbolic "one week" (7 years), the "vile person" (Antichrist) will come into the kingdom through flatteries and using peace. He will make a league with a small group of orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, and the return of old covenant worship with animal sacrifices and a rebuilt Jewish temple will begin. After the first 1260 days, the Antichrist will end those sacrifices and instead place the abomination idol that will cause the temple to be spiritually desolate, and he will demand all worship the image of the beast, or be killed. That will begin the latter half of the "one week", and is the time of "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus warned of in His Olivet discourse. That is the time when Jesus told us in the countries to stay out of Judea, and for His servants in Judea to flee to the mountains.

Satan's host have tricked some Christian seminaries into believing that the events Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse are history, and were fulfilled in 70 A.D. The Pre-trib Rapture seminaries instead just teach that Christ's Olivet discourse is meant only for Jews, and not for His Church. Neither of those two ideas are true. Jesus gave us 7 main signs of the very end in His discourse upon the Mount of Olives, and they are the main signs He gave in His Revelation through His servant John to the Church.

Keraz · Sep 14, 2019

Davy said:
The one-world government system is going to be a world 'kingdom'.

Yes, excepting for the new nation of Beulah, in all of the holy Land. Only Christians will live there.
This is proved by how the AC comes to them and negotiates a 7 year treaty of peace with them.

The rest of your post above is a very confused story that doesn't fit what the Bible tells us.

Davy · Sep 19, 2019

Keraz said:
Yes, excepting for the new nation of Beulah, in all of the holy Land. Only Christians will live there.
This is proved by how the AC comes to them and negotiates a 7 year treaty of peace with them.

The rest of your post above is a very confused story that doesn't fit what the Bible tells us.

The new nation you speak of doesn't happen until AFTER... Christ's return and the battle of Armageddon and Hamongog is over. Your supposition will lead many Christians to hell by telling them to go to Jerusalem during the tribulation. Jesus said to stay out of there (Luke 21).

Keraz · Sep 19, 2019

Davy said:
The new nation you speak of doesn't happen until AFTER... Christ's return and the battle of Armageddon and Hamongog is over. Your supposition will lead many Christians to hell by telling them to go to Jerusalem during the tribulation. Jesus said to stay out of there (Luke 21).

You ignore plain scripture.
Both Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 tell us that God's holy people; all the faithful Christians will be in the holy Land when the AC takes control of all the world.
Up until then, the Christians will be safe there, as the Lord protects them. They do not have to take the AC's mark and when he does conquer them, the faithful ones will be taken to a place of safety for the final 1260 days. Revelation 12:14

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