Has Jesus come in the spirit?

ScottA said:

It is a tough crowd, but:

1 John 4:4
"You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world."

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I know that that applies to me.

Waiting on him said:

He’s all we have, and that’s sufficient.

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Amen.

ScottA said:

It is a tough crowd, but:

1 John 4:4
"You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world."

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I know. Lead the way.

You agree with @ScottA, @marks?

If so, maybe there is something I'm missing in what he's saying.

But it seems to me that he is failing the test of 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7.

If he isn't, maybe you can tell me how, so I don't judge him.

justbyfaith said:

You agree with @ScottA, @marks?

If so, maybe there is something I'm missing in what he's saying.

But it seems to me that he is failing the test of 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7.

If he isn't, maybe you can tell me how, so I don't judge him.

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Yes, I agree, this is a tough crowd!



But seriously . . . with what exactly do I agree?

justbyfaith said:

You agree with @ScottA, @marks?

If so, maybe there is something I'm missing in what he's saying.

But it seems to me that he is failing the test of 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7.

If he isn't, maybe you can tell me how, so I don't judge him.

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I think I know what you're asking.

If I understand @ScottA 's position, he's saying that Jesus did come in human flesh, as Romans 8 says, in the likeness of sinful flesh. But not that Jesus remained "in the likeness of sinful flesh", as 1 Corinthians 15 teaches, there are terrestrial bodies, and celestial bodies. So in that, I think Scott has a great point. Jesus was in a body like ours, but that doesn't mean He still is, and in fact, we won't be.

I think of the verses like, our vile bodies will be changed to be like His glorious body. The corruptible being clothed upon with incorruptibility. We have a building in heaven, not made with hands, with which we long to be clothed upon.

Or, again, 1 Cor 15, reading that part about different kinds of flesh, different kinds of bodies. Now we bear the image of the earthly, then we will bear the image of the heavenly.

If this is what you are asking, then yes I think I do. And I think we're going to follow in His lead, and we too will be something significantly different then what we are now, not less, of course, still bodies, still perfectly at home in our environment, the new heavens and new earth, in which righteousness dwells, so something better also.

Much love!

I discovered in the word recently that the adoption is the redemption of the body (Romans 8:23); and that the adoption had happened in past tense for the Galatian believers (Galatians 4:5-7).

This would indicate that our body being fashioned like unto His glorious body does not necessarily mean being converted to spirit form.

Luk 22:17, And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18, For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Mat 26:27, And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Mat 26:28, For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mat 26:29, But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.


These scriptures indicate that our Lord will partake of wine (same as what they drank at the Last Supper), when the kingdom of God comes.

Which reminds me...are we not going to rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years?

justbyfaith said:

Luk 22:17, And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18, For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Mat 26:27, And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Mat 26:28, For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mat 26:29, But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.


These scriptures indicate that our Lord will partake of wine (same as what they drank at the Last Supper), when the kingdom of God comes.

Which reminds me...are we not going to rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years?

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JBF, Isn’t it the Holy Spirit that reveals all things of God to men.

1 Corinthians 2:11 KJV
[11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.


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ScottA said:

The proper question would be: Have I been born of the spirit of God?; and the answer is, Yes.

The other possibility for you asking may better be asked, as: Aren't you still in your flesh body? In which case, the answer is, Yes. This the state of those whom Paul described as "alive but remain", meaning born of the spirit of God, but remaining in the flesh and in the world, where "to live is Christ."

As for the scriptures teaching that Jesus shall return...of course. But the scriptures do not say that He returns in the flesh, not at all. In fact, He made it clear, saying "I go to the Father" whom is spirit; then He committed only His spirit to the Father; "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."

But this subject refers to the coming of the Kingdom, of which He also gave when and where it should and should not be expected:

"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you." Matthew 12:28

“The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. And they will say to you, ‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them." Luke 17:20-23

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What happens when Christ returns?

Waiting on him said:

1 Corinthians 2:11 KJV
[11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.


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1Co 2:12, Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

ScottA said:

The key word there, is "new."

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The key word is this.

ScottA said:

Define "this."

Define "fruit of the vine."

Who is the true vine? John 15:1

What is poured out? Joel 2:28

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Jesus is going to drink His own blood?

ScottA said:

"He stands at the door and knocks. If anyone hears His voice and opens the door, He will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Him." He "comes in the glory of His Father", whom is spirit.

This He does "each in his own order", meaning, each person individually in their own time. "Then comes the end."

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Whats the end?

justbyfaith said:

I discovered in the word recently that the adoption is the redemption of the body (Romans 8:23); and that the adoption had happened in past tense for the Galatian believers (Galatians 4:5-7).

This would indicate that our body being fashioned like unto His glorious body does not necessarily mean being converted to spirit form.

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What people seem 2 not understand is we have two bodies ,Christ took on flesh just like we do,difference is He did it PERFECTLY,

He like us was in His spiritual body before He took on flesh....We were never meant to be in flesh bodies.Really wish people could see and understand that!!!!!