The Stone of Destiny

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We can use this thread to discuss the Stone of Destiny and also the lineage of the Kings of Israel, but first, I gave a youtube link that will put one in the mood for this topic. Although it's basic, I think it's inspiring with the choruses. Stone of Destiny
 

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We can use this thread to discuss the Stone of Destiny and also the lineage of the Kings of Israel, but first, I gave a youtube link that will put one in the mood for this topic. Although it's basic, I think it's inspiring with the choruses. Stone of Destiny
I watched it. It sort of did got me in the mood for this topic. But I rather just watch and learn as I don't know enough YET.
 

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I believe that E. Raymond Capt could shed some light on this subject. I couldn't find your YouTube clip but, as I recall, there is historical evidence that the King Line of Israel was taken from the area of ancient Israel to the area known today as the British Isles.
 

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I believe that E. Raymond Capt could shed some light on this subject. I couldn't find your YouTube clip but, as I recall, there is historical evidence that the King Line of Israel was taken from the area of ancient Israel to the area known today as the British Isles.
Yes, he put out the book "Jacob's Pillar", an easy-to-read book tracing the stone, and then some scriptures about the continuation of the Davidic Throne as well.Some critics say this is not the real stone. That does not bother me even if it wasn't. What I take notice in is this curious custom of coronating the monarchs on this stone the same way they did in the bible. Even if it was fake, where did they get these ideas? Even mythology has basis in fact. The mere pattern of such "coincidences" is another one of the many such evidences that point to Israel.
 

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The Stone of Scone, also known as the Stone of Destiny, is seen as of huge significance to Scotland's nationhood. It was the seat on which generations of Kings of Scotland, and perhaps Kings of Dalriada before them, were crowned. Until 1296 it was housed at Scone Abbey, where the coronations of Kings of Scotland took place: the last being of John Balliol. But Edward I of England stripped Scotland of all emblems of nationhood in 1296, and took the Stone of Destiny to a new home in Westminster Abbey. For the next 700 years it was to be housed in a specially-built coronation chair, on which Kings and Queens of England, then of Britain, were crowned. The legend of the Stone of Destiny goes back to the foundation myth of Scotland. In about 1400BC, an Egyptian Pharaoh had a daughter called Scota, who married Goídel Glas. They were exiled from Egypt and eventuallty settled in north west Spain. Their descendents later conquered Ireland and became the Scotii, who also in time came to rule Scotland.When the descendents of Scota arrived in Scotland, the story continues, they brought with them a block of sandstone weighing 152kg. This had been used as a pillow by Jacob when he had the dream reported in Genesis about Jacob's Ladder.Morehttp://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usfe...cone/index.htmlhttp://associate.com/stewart/stone_o_scone.html
 

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Here's another interesting website about Loughcrew and the prophet Jeremiah's tomb and the "Stone of Scone" or "Lia Fail".This goes into the writings and archaeology, too.I've have the book by E. Raymond Capt and that is very good, but this site has a little more information and pictures. Of course, I don't agree with everything there, but interesting, nonetheless.http://jahtruth.net/jere.htmKim
 

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ZEDEKIAH'S DAUGHTERS 584 BC THE PROPHET JEREMIAH TAKES JEREMIAH'S DAUGHTERS TO EGYPT The daughters of King Zedekiah of Judah, enabled the royal line of inheritance to be carried forward through the female line because it was an Israel law that women were entitled to inheritance if there was no male surviving heir to the estates of both the royal family and the general populace. It seems that King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon overlooked this fact when he murdered the last surviving King of Judah - Zedekiah. Jeremiah 43.1-7 records the circumstances under which Zedekiah's daughters left Jerusalem. Also, in Jeremiah 41.1, the following record is given: Now it came to pass in the seventh (sacred) month (being the first civil month of the new civil year) that Ishmael ... came unto Gedaliah ... and there they did eat bread together ... Then arose Ishmael ... and smote Gedaliah ... And (v. 10) Ishmael carried away captive all the residue of the people that were in Mizpah, even the KING'S DAUGHTERS. These Royal Princesses were named "Scota" and "Tamar Tephi". Verses 11-14 of this 41st chapter of Jeremiah speak of one "Johanan" who rescued those captured by Ishmael and brought them to an habitation near Bethlehem, "to go to enter into EGYPT, because of the Chaldeans; for they were afraid of them" - verses 17-18. By their subsequent entry into Egypt they deliberately disobeyed the Word of the Lord which had come through Jeremiah that they should on no account go into the land of Egypt (Jeremiah 42.19), and were to remain in Palestine and not fear the Babylonians (Jeremiah 42.7-12). "So Johanan ... obeyed not the voice of the Lord ... but took all the remnant of Judah .. and the KING'S DAUGHTERS ... and Jeremiah the prophet, and Baruch (Jeremiah's scribe) ... So came they into the land of EGYPT (either late in the year or early in the following year) for they obeyed not the voice of the Lord: thus came they even to TAHPANHES." Jeremiah 43.1-7. Writing in his book "The History of Egypt" Sir Flinders Petrie says :"To this day Tahpanhes or Defneh is called 'the Fort of the Jew's Daughter'." In 582 BC, the now-known Coronation Stone of England "Jacob's Pillar" reached Ireland (Ulster) via a shipwrecked vessel at Carrickfergus. The Irish called it "Lia Fail" (Stone wonderful). Apparently there are ancient Irish records that tell of a ship of the "Iberian Danaan" becoming wrecked at Carrickfergus off the north east coast of Ireland. They also state that in this ship there was not only a Royal Princess, but also a man referred to as "Ollamh Fodhla" meaning Holy Seer or Prophet accompanied by his servant "Bruch"; and that this shipwrecked party had in their possession an historic stone called "LIA FAIL" meaning Stone Wonderful which they very highly treasured. The records conclude with an account of the marriage between the Royal Princess and "Eochaidh" the Heremon or King of Ireland, giving the Princess's name as "Tamar Tephi" meaning Palm Beautiful , an appropriate name for the one destined to fulfil Ezekiel's prophecy of the Tender Twig (Ezekiel chapter 17). Ezekiel also prophesied that the famous Pillar Stone, was to be "overturned three times" (Ezekiel 21.27), and was not be overturned again until He comes (Jesus Christ). OVERTURN 1 The taking of the stone from Jerusalem to Ireland was the first overturning of this stone, when Jeremiah and company carried the Royal Seed of Zedekiah to Ireland with them. OVERTURN 2 The throne remained in Ireland for over a thousand years until it was removed to Scotland in 503 AD. There it remained for about 800 years until it was removed again OVERTURN 3 To England in 1296 AD. Here it has remained for amost 700 years as a living witness to the faithfulness of God's years as a living witness to the faithfulness of God's unconditional covenant with His servant David that the throne would endure for ever until He (Jesus Christ) returns whose right it is. OVERTURN 4 ?? In this last decade of the twentieth century (a few years short of 6000 years after the formation of Adam) the stone was removed from Westminster Abbey in London, to Scotland for "safekeeping"? What does this mean in the light of Ezekiel's prophecy? Has the stone been overturned a fourth time? Or is it genuinely being kept in a "safe place" ready to handover to Jesus Christ, whose right it is? Returning to our main theme, the royal records state that Ollamh Fodhla preceded King Cimboath of Ulster by 230 years. The latter is generally accepted as having died in the year 353 BC; thus 230 years earlier gives a date of 583-582 BC. Eochaidh's genealogy can be traced historically. He was descended from the patriarch Judah, but through the Zara line, which entered Ireland at a very early date. Thus although the Throne was brought from Jerusalem to Ireland by Tamar Tephi who was a female, nevertheless the male seed to propogate the kingly line was also of ancient Judahite stock, descended not from the broken kingdom of Judah, but from "Judah" the patriarch himself, according to God's promise (Genesis 49.10). Thus Tamar Tephi obeyed the injunction to marry into "the tribe of her father" (Numbers 36.6). Travellers to Western Ireland who visit Loch Erne, a most picturesque inland lock with 365 small islands, may visit Devenish Island to see that tradition has always stated to be the prophet Jeremiah's burial place or tomb, carved out of solid rock. And those visiting county Meath, north of Dublin, may see Tara, the spot where Queen Tamar Tephi was interred. It is most probable that the Mergech or barrow, beneath which her remains lie, will reveal much valuable evidence when it is eventually excavated (if ever). It was her special request that the great chest brought by her to Ireland shoudl be buried beside her; and it has been suggested that this may contain Baruch's two documents of evidence mentioned in Jeremiah 32.13-15, one sealed and the other unsealed, which were to be put "in an earthen vessel, that they may continue many days". Possibly it may also contain the missing regalia of Judah, and even further sacred treasures from ancient Israel! Who knows? It is worthy of note, however, that over-ruling Providence has permitted the excavation of every other barrow in the district except the barrow of Queen Tamar Tephi! Was "Ollamh Fodhla" the prophet Jeremiah? Was Tamar Tephi Zedekiah's daughter, royal heiress to the throne of David? God has an established law of inheritance recorded in the Old Testament in Numbers 27.8 "If a man die, and have no son, then ye shall cause his inheritance (the throne in this case) to pass unto his DAUGHTER". See also Joshua 17.6
 

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Excellent site, Kim. Thanks for that link.Very nice historical summary, hbee.
You're welcome! Thanks!Kim
 

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QUOTE (hbee @ Nov 17 2008, 01:57 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=63982
Eochaidh's genealogy can be traced historically. He was descended from the patriarch Judah, but through the Zara line, which entered Ireland at a very early date. Thus although the Throne was brought from Jerusalem to Ireland by Tamar Tephi who was a female, nevertheless the male seed to propogate the kingly line was also of ancient Judahite stock, descended not from the broken kingdom of Judah, but from "Judah" the patriarch himself, according to God's promise (Genesis 49.10). Thus Tamar Tephi obeyed the injunction to marry into "the tribe of her father" (Numbers 36.6).
Numerous sites describe the flag of Ulster and explain the significance of the hand and the so-called star of David on it. "On the beautiful Ulster flag there is a "Red Hand" mounted on the "Star of David", under a Royal Crown. Why would symbols of Israel's royalty be on the flag of people who have been taught that they are gentiles?It is because they are NOT gentiles but Israelites who have lost the knowledge of their true identity and the PROOF is on the flag."http://jahtruth.co.uk/uflag.htm
 

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QUOTE (Stumpmaster @ Apr 8 2009, 06:36 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72133
Numerous sites describe the flag of Ulster and explain the significance of the hand and the so-called star of David on it. "On the beautiful Ulster flag there is a "Red Hand" mounted on the "Star of David", under a Royal Crown. Why would symbols of Israel's royalty be on the flag of people who have been taught that they are gentiles?It is because they are NOT gentiles but Israelites who have lost the knowledge of their true identity and the PROOF is on the flag."http://jahtruth.co.uk/uflag.htm
Genesis 38:25-30 "When she was brought forth, she sent to her father-in-law, saying, By the man whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff. (26) And Judah acknowledged them, and said She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son: and he knew her again no more. (27) And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that behold, twins were in her womb. (28) And it came to pass when she travailed, that the one put out his hand; and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first. (29) And it came to pass as he drew back his hand, that behold, his brother came out; and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. (30) And afterwards came out his brother that had the scarlet thread upon his hand; and his name was called Zarah."In some genealogical records the current British Royal Family can be traced back to the House of Judah through William the Conqueror's grandmother, Doda Inghen Mail Coluim, daughter of Mael-Coluim II Mac Cinaeda, King of Scots 954-1034.
 

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QUOTE (WhiteKnuckle @ Apr 9 2009, 10:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72221
Am I seeing this correctly? The Celts might be Jews?
I highly doubt that... I don't think the Celt are Judah. It might be the "Jews" who call themselves Jews, but are not.
 

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QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 9 2009, 11:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72222
I highly doubt that... I don't think the Celt are Judah. It might be the "Jews" who call themselves Jews, but are not.
I'm thinkin not too. Although it is interesting speculation. My bloodline is Scottish/Northern Border Brittish.
 

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Yes that is sort of what you are seeing they are not Judah..but Israel not all celts of course but The daughters of King Zedekiah of Judah were taken to Ireland/Scotland married onto the Royality the 10 Northern tribes migrated across the caucaus mt. into Scotland Ireland britan and across Europe and eventully to the Christian nations ... The records conclude with an account of the marriage between the Royal Princess and "Eochaidh" the Heremon or King of Ireland, giving the Princess's name as "Tamar Tephi" meaning Palm Beautiful , an appropriate name for the one destined to fulfil Ezekiel's prophecy of the Tender Twig (Ezekiel chapter 17). Judah remained Jews a remnant to preserve the Law ...the 10 Northern tribes(lost tribes) are called Israel in prophesy they became Christians Nations ... Eze, 37 tells you these are two sticks (branches) that will be rejoined at Christs return making the whole house of Israel all 12 tribes rejoined under Christ. Every coronation takes place on this Stone of Destiny which is Jacobs pillow of Jacobs latter dream they are one in the sameYou might find this of interesthttp://www.revelationsofthebible.com/JacobsPillarStone.htm
 

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Christina;59299]The Stone of Scone said:
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usfe...cone/index.html[/url]http://associate.com/stewart/stone_o_scone.html
(I color coded some names in your post.)Scota did not marry Goídel Glas.She married his father.Goídel Glas has many variations of his name, depending on the culture or clan that was writing about him. Variations include: Goidel, Gaodhal, Gaidel, Gaedheal, Gael, Gadelus, Gathelus Irish history uses the variation of Gaedheal.Scota (daughter of Pharaoh) married Niul, and they were the parents of Gaedheal.Niul was a descendant of Japheth (son of Noah).Several generations later, their descendants landed in Ireland.But the Stone of Destiny (Lia Fail) was already there.It had been brought earlier by the Tuatha-de-Danann, who were also descendants of Japheth (son of Noah).
 

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japeth gave birth to the mongoloid (yellow race) Israelites along with all whites are from shem.I don't see any oriental irish,they all look white/semitic to me
 

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You may not agree, and that's OK by me.But Irish history is very clear that the father of Gaedheal/Goídel Glas was a descendant of Japheth (according to The Annals of the Four Masters, Lebor Gabála Érenn - Book of Invasions of Ireland, and The History of Ireland by Geoffrey Keating.