Actually, many other Christians believe that a newborn baby's soul has existed for more than 9 months and read Joshua 1:5 literally. It's not remotely an LDS Christian only thing.
Has Jesus come in the spirit?
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Just recently, @justbyfaith testified of a new experience with God that has changed him radically. I heard him and I am watching carefully wanting to be supportive. I have been changed favorably by God more than once during my years and would not want deny the possibility of God working favorably in him. If we will allow it, God can change any one of us and His changes are always for the better.
Give God the glory!
I would very much like to see changes for the good in @justbyfaith and every other person on here (including myself). I do understand folks being skeptical though, until they bear witness of good fruit indicating that goodly change in a person.
I do believe that the hostility that a wolf feels coming from a shepherd who is protecting his sheep from him is a virtuous thing.
So, if I am mistaken about you failing the test of 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7 then I apologize. I did not intend to be hostile towards you, but towards what I know is false doctrine.
This idea that Jesus isn't come in the flesh (that He isn't a Man sitting on the right hand of the Lord) is foreign to scripture; and even condemned by it.
If you hold to a false doctrine and are attempting to teach it to others, does that not make you a false teacher?
If as a watchman and shepherd I am opposed to your false doctrine and am showing that that is what it is, does that make me hostile towards you?
A shepherd defends the sheep using his rod and his staff; and therefore the wolf coming in to devour the sheep might consider him to be hostile.
But if threatening judgment on someone is love in your opinion, then I tell you now that I love you by proclaiming to you that your time is short.
And in my saying it, there is truth in the matter.
Christ is the Shepard, not any of us. And Christ does not use hostility to beckon His sheep towards Him, but rather kindness and gentleness. We sheep should likewise try to imitate His kindness and gentleness-- that is Christ-like love.
It can be interpreted as thus very easily and many do.
I don't know that it is going to be much of a change as concerns my personality.
I just know that I surrendered something in particular to Him last Sunday and that it may even be my salvation.
There is a strong possibility that I have been saved since 1986, when I first received the gift of tongues.
But salvation is not only from the penalty of sin but the power of it. So now that I am set free from my besetting sin, there may indeed be a visible change in the way that I relate to people.
Whether it is immediate, or will happen slowly over time, remains to be seen.
There are some who are called to be undershepherds according to 1 Peter 5:1-4.
Waiting on him
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JBF, Scott never said Jesus has not come in the flesh. The Op asks has Jesus returned in the spirit?
How so? I really think you have quoted the wrong reference.
Jos 1:5, There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.
I'm kjv-only/superior in my theology...I believe that the kjv is the inspired word of God.
As such, I believe that the test is whether Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
has also applies; but if we reject the is, we are saying that the kjv isn't the word of the Lord.
Scott has not confessed that Jesus is come in the flesh; in fact he has denied it.
So then, in order to accept him as a teacher, one would have to deny the veracity of the kjv.
Ah, a typo my bad. Both the previous poster and I were referring to Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
@justbyfaith , the Sheapard uses love and kindness to call His sheep towards Him. A person who uses hostility of any type is not the Shepard nor acting as the Shepard's servant.
I REALLY want to believe that you've had the change of heart you've described. To abandon all the hostile techniques you've used in the past, and come closer to imitating the Shepard's ways. But, as with all change of hearts, it has the bear fruit before other folks can see evidence of it themselves and believe there was a real change.
Waiting on him
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A shepherd may be considered to be hostile by the wolf who is coming in to devour the sheep. David, a shepherd, killed the lion and the bear to protect his sheep.
Yes, to the sheep, the shepherd is kind. But to those who are threatening the flock, they would do well to beware the shepherd; for he will use the sword of the Spirit to defend the flock from wild animals.
While my heart has changed on a certain issue, I will say to you clearly that my mind has not changed on many others.
Waiting on him
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To which I respond with Isaiah 57:15, which tells me that the Lord is outside of time; and this explains Jeremiah 1:5 differently than what you are proposing. And since Mormonism is considered to be a cult, I think I will go with the more orthodox interpretation.
I think the KJV is the best out there. (I know that inaccurate claims about the KJV are made sometimes; but I really do appreciate it, anyway.)
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