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Ezra

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Many hearty congratulations! ... It means absolutely nothing!
The churches are absolutely filled with shepherds and sheep who are FAST ASLEEP.
MANY have been indoctrinated with false doctrines from Satan.
Such as: OSAS, grace-only, hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc.
Lots of false doctrines in the churches from the very pits of hell.
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hmm so it means absolutely nothing! i dont think i was trying to impress you so with out the old me coming out and saying some rather sharp replies.. if you dont mind thank you... it most certainly sounds like your one of these .who has it all figured out.. and B T W your post means absolutely nothing!
 

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Once Saved, then we are always saved.
the Bible says, ‘That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made to salvation. Romans 10:9-10.

As we believe in the Lord Jesus, as long as we believe in our hearts and acknowledge Him with our mouths, then we are saved, and if we are saved once then we are always saved.
As long as we keep focused and pressing forward to our heavenly Goal....and the Prize of the high calling = God Himself...and we endure till the very end, then salvation is secure...because it is OF Him and IN Him.

Amen Helen, and bully for you!...it is a RACE!!! And, we are being saved each day as, His mercies are new every day ♥ If we do not continue in the race set before us. It can be a challenge to NOT become weary in well doing sometimes but, we press on...we fall, we get up. We were PROMISED trials and tribulations of all kinds in this world so, we should not be surprised when tragedy strikes...will we still trust Him? We will if we are IN the race still ♥
 

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if one totally abandons i doubt they was ever saved.. i have yet to meet one who has totally abandoned. problem of all this is we dont know if/when one can become alienated from Christ. we can only speculate through scriptures
Yes, this is what I hear ...
that they were never saved to begin with.

What do you think Jesus meant in Luke 8:13?
Was not that person saved temporarily?
He came to believe temporarily.
 
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Nancy

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You are eternally secure because you were born again ...
and you have CHOSEN to co-operate with the precious Holy Spirit,
and consequently are successfully being sanctified unto holiness!

But, please do NOT assume that all BACs are following in your footsteps.
Some of us here are trying to warn other BACs that they are NOT eternally secure,
if they are involved in habitual (unrepentant) sinning! (for example)

I have run into this from time to time:
women tend to form doctrine out of their own personal experience.
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"women tend to form doctrine out of their own personal experience."

And, of course "men" do not ever do this :rolleyes:
 

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You are correct.
So, what's with your forum name, "GodsGrace"?

Is it God's grace that allows some BACs
to exercise their free will to fall from grace
whilst they are involved in habitual (unrepentant) sin? (for example)
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God's grace.
Through His grace He created us.
Through His grace He found a way of salvation when we sinned in the Garden.
Through His grace He allows us to know Him...although I'm sure in a limited way.
Through His grace he loves us,,,,certainly not because we deserve it.
Grace is the nature of God...and Love...and Mercy...and Justice...and Holiness.
 
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I'm more of a secure Arminianist...and I have such assurance.



Notice that it says that he who does the will of God abideth for ever.



It is not that God is accountable, or forcefully required to keep us; but that He chooses to keep those who have been regenerated by the Holy Ghost. For those of us for whom this has happened, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and He is a deposit in our hearts guaranteeing what is to come...that we will receive our inheritance from the Father.
Right.
He WHO DOES THE WILL OF THE FATHER...
abideth forever.

No argument from me.
 

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If we're saved permanently on earth after being born again then why does the bible say in phil 2:12 you have 2 work out ur salvation wiv fear and trembling. The race is not over yet theirs many hurdles 2 climb, many trials and tribulations you have to go through. eccl 3:12 1 peter 4:12.

Jesus said ull be persecuted 4 my names sake!! are u being persecuted? he said the world will hate you! are u being hated by the world? its not a picnic people so get this foolish Calvinism teaching out of ur heads. you have 2 cross the finish line 1st, its like walking a tight rope, jesus said matthew 10:22 those dat endure 2 the end will be truly saved not those dat are born again will be truly saved there and then.

So, what you are saying is the you are the author and finisher of your faith?
 

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I'm in cardiac arrest as I'm trying to post.
As I recall, you've always disagreed with me previously!
Ah yes, your post #123 clearly showeth that ...
we are NOT in agreement at all ... on eternal security.
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Okay, no worries.
 
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you best be getting out more then lol i been in the ministry close twenty years . seen it all over tell me when you go to sleep at night.. do you wake up in fear you lost your salvation ? yes or no

Hi Ezra,

This is an interesting question. Sometimes we like people to be in boxes, we press a button and out comes the answer.
You say you have been in ministry 20 years so you know a lot of different positions.

What has struck me is an obvious connection Jesus made. If you accept His way you must produce fruit, not fruit no
reward. I had often wondered why the fig tree out of season was cursed, and especially why the apostles recognised
its significance. One can water down faith to a simple "Yes I believe", I have agreed with God, and I am in the Kingdom.

It staggard me when people said this and then argued for it as if it was Jesus speaking. The Lord gives everyone time,
time to prove who they truly are. And then judgement. The concept that this relationship is just a passing in a coffee
shop between two people on trains to different places is just insane. It is a true road of discovery, just like the disciples
took 3 years to get to know Jesus and for Him to become their Lord, so it is with us.

To begin to fulfil the greatest commandment, love the Lord with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind is a 100%
involvement in who God is and how He works with life. We can never stop being amazed at Him and His work. So
stunned are we, nothing else compares or begins to shadow who and what He is.
 
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I'm in cardiac arrest as I'm trying to post.
As I recall, you've always disagreed with me previously!
Ah yes, your post #123 clearly showeth that ...
we are NOT in agreement at all ... on eternal security.
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BTW #123 was written by you...not by me. So how do you know if I agreed with it or not.

I did not even post in it...so what are you saying here? Im confused.
 
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1 John 3:7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;

^^^ saved

1 John 3:8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

^^^ unsaved

1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Why is this hard?
The one who is born again will practice righteousness, because he is born again, not in order to obtain or maintain his salvation.

Faith has maintaining power in a person's life, 1 Peter 1:5.
 

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Ah yes, your post #123 clearly showeth that ...

we are NOT in agreement at all ... on eternal security.
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And what about my post :- Quote - #133
As we believe in the Lord Jesus, as long as we believe in our hearts and acknowledge Him with our mouths, then we are saved, and if we are saved once then we are always saved.
As long as we keep focused and pressing forward to our heavenly Goal....and the Prize of the high calling = God Himself...and we endure till the very end, then salvation is secure...because it is OF Him and IN Him.


Don't you agree with?
 

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I'm more of a secure Arminianist...and I have such assurance.

Notice that it says that he who does the will of God abideth for ever.

It is not that God is accountable, or forcefully required to keep us; but that He chooses to keep those who have been regenerated by the Holy Ghost. For those of us for whom this has happened, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and He is a deposit in our hearts guaranteeing what is to come...that we will receive our inheritance from the Father.

I like that term secure Arminianist. I am just secure in His love.
I like the idea Jesus sheep listen only to Him and follow Him.
It makes it clearer who are false prophets and who are sound.

We do not have to worry about the false prophets, they are bad trees
already committed to their path and judgement. I have now met a few
and no matter the presentation of the word of God and Jesus they are
totally blinkered and hard hearted. I thought sharing and discussion might
affect them, but they did not budge even an inch. I was asked to repent and
believe in Jesus to be saved, while I was presenting active and alive faith, rejoicing
in Christ my saviour. It is like saying to someone you are lying about your words,
say them like this, and then the same words will be meaningful. The bit that the
objective is to walk in the Kingdom and only the elect can, meant I was in the
Kingdom and they were seriously missing something did not occur to them.

Those men who crucified Jesus, some believed in Israel, and still they thought
Jesus was false, because they knew, He was hiding His real sin and evil.
To believe Jesus was true was simply too much for them. So it is with false
prophets, they have gone too far, and cannot come back, they are right and the
rest are satan trying to defeat their faith. God bless you
 
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So, what you are saying is the you are the author and finisher of your faith?

He is not the author and finisher of his faith, Jesus is. Yet, we must WORK OUT OUR OWN salvation with fear and trembling."
Hebrews 10:26
"If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains,"

Hebrews 6:4
"It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,"

King Saul started out well, but he fell...and tried to (out of jealousy) kill David. He lost his faith. I would LOVE to believe that OSAS is truth but...it is only truth in my estimation, IF we continue in the faith. I spent 2.5 years in a Calvinistic local body and I must say, there are many if not most, who believe that it does not matter at all what they do as they are "saved for eternity"...I'm sorry but, that is so wrong.
All will come out in the wash, so to speak. We are to esteem others ABOVE ourselves, not the other way around. Calvinism steals, kills and destroys the joy we are to have in Him. It steals our hope, and causes the most ardent proponents of this horrid doctrine to totally doubt their salvation. Sorry sir but, God is not a monster, He is Just and righteous in ALL His ways. How can you live with the belief that their is nothing you can do for God to bring in souls?? There is even a special reward for those who win souls. So, how does one "win" souls if all is already said and done??


 
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What do you think Jesus meant in Luke 8:13?
Was not that person saved temporarily?
He came to believe temporarily.

Luke 8:13 is talking about someone with a mere mental assent to the tenets of the gospel....even a lukewarm, nominal, or shallow faith.

Whereas John 6:47 speaks of a faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10); which is unto everlasting life.

No argument from me.

Excellent.
 

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Not how the parable is written.

All ten virgins had the Oil in their lamps, and all ten were waiting on the bridegroom to come.

The mention of midnight is given as a metaphor for the time of the bridegroom's coming, which is to represent Christ's coming. That means the timing when all ten virgins fell asleep was right before midnight, right before Christ's coming, which points to the time of great tribulation at the very end of this world.

The ten virgins are not the Bride of Christ. They are likened to the Kingdom, not the Bride. (Matt. 25:1)

See (Ps. 45) which is a Psalm of a royal wedding. And concerning the Bride it says:

(Ps. 45:14-15) "She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee. With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the kings palace."

Stranger
 

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Assurance of salvation:

The law was given to teach mankind that mankind could never save him/her self by what they do. It was to show that mankind needed God to save them.

It is a shame that many in religions of today believe that if they try to keep the law and try to be good they will be saved. They ignore the fact that they can not keep the law. It shows that they will not accept the reason the law was given.

These scriptures tell us that we have assurance of salvation if we reach out to God and place our faith in what Jesus did for ALL OF MANKIND ON THE CROSS.

John 5:24-27
24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.
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John 6:34-35
34 Then they said to Him, "Lord, give us this bread always."
35 And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
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John 6:46-50
46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
48 I am the bread of life.
49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.
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Acts 13:38-39
38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;
39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
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Romans 4:5-8
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
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Romans 10:3-4
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
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Romans 10:10-13
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
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1 John 5:4-5
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith.
5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
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1 John 5:9-13
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.
10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
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