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I would really like to hear thoughts everyone has on whether or not Kennities are calling themselves Jews at this present time. We know they were called this in the Old testament language and God pointed us to that fact in the Rev. verses about the Church's of Smyrna and Philadelphia.However in the New Testament language they are called TaresWhy this change in language? Could it be during this age of Grace the kennites are not calling themseves only Jews? Christianity, Islam,and Judaism all claim same roots of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, All claim a connection to the land of Israel... I think we should consider the goal of the Kennites. From the very begining this line through Cain was to destroy Gods planto save the souls of mankind through his Son, Jesus Christ. First by attempting to pollute the Bloodline of which he would come,second by taking control of the priesthood and thus putting our Lord to death on the cross. For both these purposes the Kennites had to be near/among the choosen people.(12 tribes).Where are these 12 tribes today? Satans last attempt to steal mens souls from Christ is as Antichrist. So the question is how is the ground work of the Kennites/Tares to preparethe World for Antichrist being accomplished today? Is it by claiming to be Jews? I think notI think we need to consider would claiming to be Christians ... teaching lies (rapture. tongues) or the claims of Islam (lies about who the inhertance was given too) creating the 2nd biggest religion in the World.Would this be more in line with the work of the Kennites/TaresI think it worth exploring that for the purposes of the Kennites/Tares today what better serves their purpose? And is this the reason for the language change from Kennites to Tares because they are hidding under a differnt idenity?
 

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We of course know Islam is a false religion but look at the comparisons of the scripture and the Koran, it teaches almost the exact opposite of the Bible, while yet acknowledging Christ and scripture. How can this not put us in mind of how Satan works. Satan wont deny Christ or the scripture just twist and change it. Would we be remiss to not consider this is the Kennites/Tares at Work building up followers around the World turning Britan itself into a mostly muslim nation. Are we missing the forest through the trees only looking to Jews for signs of the work of Kennites/Tares??? Islam rejects the doctrine of original sin[6]. Mohammad said, "Every human being is born in a state of a pure nature; but through the influence of his parents, he may become non-Moslem." [7] "Whoever goes aright, for his own soul he goes aright; and whoever goes astray, to his own detriment he goes astray. And no bearer of a burden bears another's burden..." (Koran 53:38) "...no soul earns (evil) but against itself. Nor does a bearer of a burden bear the burden of another." (Koran 6:165) "So whoever does an atom's weight of good will se it and whoever does an atom's weight of evil will see it." (Koran 99:7, 8) The Bible teaches man is born into sin. By Adam's sin (Genesis 3), death spread to all mankind: Genesi 5:3 with 1:24, 25; Psalms 51:5; Romans 5:12, 14). None is born without the mark of sin upon his soul; "all have sinned." (2 Chronicles 6:36; Isaiah 53:6; Romans 3:10, 12, 23; 5:12, 14; 11:32; Ephesians 2:3; 1 John 1;10) ............ Salvation comes only through Allah. Only those who obey Allah and Mohammed his prophet can enter into Heaven: "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Submission to Allah), Never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost ." (Koran 3:85; cp. 5:10; 25:68) Those who "believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!" (Koran 48:13) Salvation comes only through Jesus Christ: "Neither is there salvation in any other [than Jesus]: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Also see: John 8:24; 14:6; 10:1-2, 9; Acts 4:12; Revelation 5:1-9; 1 John 2:22, 23; Isaiah 43:11; Hosea 13:4; 1 Timothy
 

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kriss, the depth of His Word. How does one explain their understanding and the wisdom of His Word, where to begin? The beginning is a good place.(Rev.12:1) A great sign seen in heaven, a wife brilliantly clothed who stands above sublunary things, with a crown of 12 sparkling gems. The sign Virgo the virgin a grand representation of God’s wife spiritual Israel.(Rev.12:2) The labor pangs of a new age because of Satan’s merchandise and traffic of deceit, he corrupts Spiritual Israel.(Rev.12:3) Another great sign seen in heaven, signs of universality, 7 heads (dominions) and 10 horns (powers).(Rev.12:4) The dragon’s tail of close followers, drag in a net of deceit, 1/3 of the sons of God.The first earth age, but I wanted you to perceive the “seed” of that pregnancy which is lies, doubt, and hate. Truth, faith, and love had been corrupted.I Cor.15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.Gen.15:3-6 And Abram said, Behold, to me Thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5 And He brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and He said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the Lord; and He counted it to him for righteousness. seed H2233 zera (zeh'-rah) From H2232; seed; figuratively fruit, plant, sowing time, posterity: - X carnally, child, fruitful, seed (-time), sowing-time.The Hebrew word “zera” is a collective noun for example like the English word “sheep”. The context must determine whether “zera”, that is seed, is singular, or plural.Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. It is important to note how seed singular and seeds plural and are here distinguished.Gal.3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.The promise was to Abraham’s faith (seed).Yes I believe and respect our carnal heritage but the spiritual heritage “seed” is truth, faith, and love. If you are looking for (Kenites, tares, the serpent seed), look for lies, doubt, and hate. The flesh has little to do with (lies, doubt, and hate) or (truth, faith, and love).Contrary if you are looking for "good seed", wheat, the bread of life; discern (truth, faith, and love), these are the best seed. The flesh is only a temporary tabernacle.The parable of the Sower is a perfect example. The Word was being sown (truth, faith, and love), by the Sower, the Word made flesh. Yes we are warned there will be some that say they are Jews, but are of the synagogue of Satan. Spiritually they think like Satan (lies, doubt, and hate), this is their church. The tares of the field likewise will poison the bread of life, try to corrupt (leaven) the whole loaf.The lineage of Christ is God’s plan for our redemption by His Blood. God was concerned about the corruption of flesh (giants and perversion), but God’s main concern was the corruption of the Spirit of truth, corruption of the Spirit of faith, and corruption of the Spirit of love. All of them being spiritual seeds hence His Word. I am not the best communicator and struggled in writing this. As PM would say, “If this does not sink in, put it on a shelf for later”. SEEDS have to germinate and grow.Hey kriss, I think you should make this THREAD public.
 

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I think I understand what you are saying Wayne and agree in part but I do not think Kennites are just meant to be understood in a spiritual sense. It was not spirit that took over the Priest hood, that became scribes, but real physical people ..was their spirit self following Satan, yes..I think its no different today... One must be a real person... to in-act... what Satan's spirit wills them to do. It is these real people.. that I believe Gods Word is warning.. us of.. Not just those who are corrupted spiritually for they are many... I believe Kennites are a separate group... that knowingly actively work against Gods plan.
 

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I think I understand what you are saying and agree in part but I do not think Kennites are just meant to be understood in a spiritual sense. It was not spirit that took over the Priest hood, that became scribes, but real physical people ..was their spirit self following Satan, yes..I think its no different today... One must be a real person... to in-act... what Satan's spirit wills them to do. It is these real people.. that I believe Gods Word is warning.. us of.. Not just those who are corrupted spiritually for they are many... I believe Kennites are a separate group... that knowingly actively work against Gods plan.
Agreed 100% Christina. Kenites are NOT always meant to be spiritualized. In fact, in order to see a spiritual Kenites there needs to be a physical Kenites to begin with that starts the whole mess. (IE Genesis 3:15)
 

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aaaaaaaaa, ok, I see your points. Which means I have to ask a question.I guess you think evil (or good for that matter), is somehow passed down through (sperma) or the bloodline?Do you think Kenites are a physically identifiable race? This is one way to identify them.Gen 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. As I so poorly try to explain the seeds of evil corrupted us before the flesh.Then in this earth age we are born innocents, everyone is born innocent of sin and innocent of the first earth age.So then, how are we corrupted in this earth age, knowledge. Knowledge from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:Tares do not show their true color so to speak until maturity (zewan). Growing up they look just like wheat.
 

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aaaaaaaaa, ok, I see your points. Which means I have to ask a question.I guess you think evil (or good for that matter), is somehow passed down through (sperma) or the bloodline?Do you think Kenites are a physically identifiable race? This is one one to identify them.Gen 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. As I so poorly try to explain the seeds of evil corrupted us before the flesh.Then in this earth age we are born innocents, everyone is born innocent of sin and innocent of the first earth age.So then, how are we corrupted in this earth age, knowledge. Knowledge from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:Tares do not show their true color so to speak until maturity (zewan). Growing up they look just like wheat.
Yes and No. First the no.No, because we won't know where they are exactly at, but the only thing we can do is look at the fruits to see if they are of God or not (Matthew 7:16-20, I John 4:1)Yes because, only Kenites themselves know and God knows.
 

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I see what you are saying Wayne, No I think they are necessarily a race, and I agree that sense they can be saved should they desire.they are born like the rest of us, However I do believe that just we are called to out Father. They are called to theirs. If so doesn't that prove my point that they are not all at this point in time calling themselves Jewsbut whatever name necessary to achieve their purpose?
 

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I see what you are saying Wayne, No I think they are necessarily a race, and I agree that sense they can be saved should they desire.they are born like the rest of us, However I do believe that just we are called to out Father. They are called to theirs. If so doesn't that prove my point that they are not all at this point in time calling themselves Jewsbut whatever name necessary to achieve their purpose?
Oh, I did want to respond to "calling themselves Jews" but my reply was long enough.kriss, this is happening right now in the middle east.Jews also means a resident of Judaea.G2453 Ἰουδαῖος Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.The Palestians (and all their groups) are claiming to be residents of Judaea and are of the synagogue of Satan (lies, doubt, hate).
 

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I agree with you 100% why I brought this up was that many of the SC people believe Kennites are all Jews (calling themselvs Jews) I agree with you I think their are some Jews yes but I think the Palestians (and all their groups) are most diffently a large part of them.
 

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Excellent kriss,Gen 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
 

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Not my expertise, but is it not the "orthodox" Jew that does not recognize the First Advent? They are probably part of the two baskets of figs in Jer.24. Making void the Word of God.Then there are many of the "Jewish faith" I guess, which are not of the tribe of Judah.Then we come to a horn of small beginnings, they were "set up" May 15, 1948.Oh well, kind of thinking out loud, so to speak.
 

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Well now you are talking more my area You are correct in that Jews do not accept the first advent,they believe Jesus was a prophet but not messiah they are awaiting the messiah but they have a different view this is by design from God for he put a slumber upon them. Here is their view: Jewish scholars have pointed out that it does speak of the "End of Days," which is the time of the messiah.The Tanakh gives several specifications as to who the messiah will be. He will be a descendent of King David (2 Samuel 7:12-13; Jeremiah 23:5), observant of Jewish law (Isaiah 11:2-5), a righteous judge (Jeremiah 33:15), and a great military leader.Jews do not believe that the messiah will be divine. A fundamental difference between Judaism and Christianity is the Jewish conviction that God is so essentially different from and beyond humanity that he could never become a human. Moreover, Jews find no foundation in the scriptures for such a belief about the messiah. Passages viewed by Christians as indicating a divine messiah (such as the suffering servant of Isaiah 53) are viewed by Jews as speaking of the people of Israel. In general, only the following passages are accepted as referring to the messiah:Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20 Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39 Ezekiel 38:16 Hosea 3:4-3:5 Micah 4 Zephaniah 3:9 Zechariah 14:9 Daniel 10:14 When Will the Messiah Come?The "when" of the messiah's arrival is not made clear in the Tanach, and has been a source of much scholarly speculation. In general, attempts to predict the exact date are discouraged. Though millennial fervor has never been as strong in Judaism as it has been in Christian and Islamic movements, there have been those who either claimed to be the messiah or to know the date of the messiah's arrival. One notable example of the former is Shabbatai Tzvi, a 17th-century man who claimed to the messiah, then converted to Islam under threat of death. A wide variety of opinions have been given by Jewish scholars as to the circumstances that will prompt the messiah's arrival. Some say the messiah will come when the world is especially good; others say when the world has become especially evil.
 

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kriss, path, Excellent !!I guess the OJS (Orthodox Jews), make void Dan.9:24,25 which nails exactly the timing of the First Advent. Deception, it is hard for me to understand, when there is God’s Word.So, God’s planting, Jer.24:4-7 (SFS Smyrna Fig Shoot, May 15, 1948) will not produce fruit, i.e. kingdom of GOD fruit, only leafs.Matt.21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Matt.24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: The SFS will not be lying if they say they are of Judah or the House of Judah-Levi-Benjamin. Copy Cat Satan will also plant a shoot, CFS (Caprice Fig Shoot)The CFS will be lying if they say they are of Judah or the House of Judah-Levi-Benjamin (residents of Judaea), for they are of the synagogue Satan.Guess what, the CFS produces fruit. The fig wasp is pollinating but only goat figs are being produced. Yuck, inedible fruit for God’s election.
 

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So, Israel a little nation of power, a horn of small beginnings, with good figs, bad figs, and fig wasps pollinating. The abomination that makes desolate was "set up", May 15, 1948.Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:]. see Gr. eidon the actual perception of the objectstand G2476 ἵστημι histēmi his'-tay-mee A prolonged form of a primary word στάω staō (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively): - abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up). Compare G5087.Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. eagles = vulturesWhere ever the spiritually dead are, the vultures will be gathered together.
 

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Hi there Wayne made it back to this topic:)And I will have to disagree a little here the abomination doesnt happen untill Mid week of the tribulation. Though the foundation for this event was laid in 1948 with creation of the State of Israel, The Parable of the Fig treehttp://www.christianityboard.com/parable-f...10815#post10815the Abomination has not occured yetThat is when Antichrist (Satan) stands in the holy place and declares himself to be God. May 15, 1948 was beginning of the parable of the Fig tree. Its when our End time clock began ticking...As we know subject of Mark 13, Matt.24, luke 21 is signs of the End Mar 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead [you], and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. Mar 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against [their] parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: Mar 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter [therein], to take any thing out of his house: We are told those of Judeah are flee to the moutains why because Gods Wrath is about to be poured out This clearly has not occored yet And in Matthew Matthew 24:15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand: )"This reverence to Daniel the prophet, Makes the book of Daniel part of the New Testament. This reference is directed to Daniel 9:27. The "abomination" is when Satan stands in Jerusalem, and proclaims that he is God, and the world believes it. The "desolation" is an incorrect translation into the English, which should read "desolator", and Satan is the desolator that will make the claim that he is God, the true Christ. "Desolation" is a condition, in the Hebrew manuscripts it is written, "On the wings of the desolator," this is not a condition, but a entity, a person. It is through this individual, Satan that the abomination shall come from. It is the desolator [Satan] that shall cause all but the sealed of God, to become desolate, or deceived. Daniel 9:27; "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and the determined shall be poured upon the desolate."The Holy place is the place that the temple sits, and this is the subject for the very first, when the buildings of the temple were observed by the disciples, and the question of what it would be like at His second advent. This is where the desolation [Satan, the Antichrist] shall sit on mount Zion, making his abominations, or statements that he is the Christ. The world will be deceived when Satan claims himself to be Christ, for he does have supernatural powers, and he will use them to to draw the peoples of the world to come to peace. He will say, I am Jesus whom ye have been waiting for, and I have come to bring peace to the world, and the world will be brought to peace and prosperity by Satan, the Antichrist. I feel that this time of world peace will come in a matter of months, or a few years. It will come though.Now notice Luke 21 gives us a little differnt view of whats happening at this time 20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
 

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OK, I did point out "set up", not the actual culmination and you are correct. The (set up of the abomination that maketh desolate) was May 15, 1948, when Israel became a nation. I pray this clear what I am trying to document.Dan.12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. I am trying to convey, the set up of Israel is a first step, if you will, to the abomination that maketh desolate.Sorry I wasted your time, I am doing my best.
 

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...Sorry I wasted your time, I am doing my best.
Are you kidding me? Christina has fun watching people trying to learn God's Words in their best of ability. It's why she loves to share and teach. In fact I'm 100% sure she has much patience in you young Skywalker.
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OK, I did point out "set up", not the actual culmination and you are correct. The (set up of the abomination that maketh desolate) was May 15, 1948, when Israel became a nation. I pray this clear what I am trying to document.Dan.12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. I am trying to convey, the set up of Israel is a first step, if you will, to the abomination that maketh desolate.Sorry I wasted your time, I am doing my best.
I understood what you were saying
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