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ScottA

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Don't you know you've been blinded to the truth? You're so twisted I'm going to have to put you on ignore. I no longer want to see what you and your pet snake want to say.

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
Why change now? You obviously have had me on "ignore" the whole time!

Otherwise you would not have been so bitter, accusatory, and against the scriptures after I simply quoted them and you in disagreement. Very revealing of you.
 

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Then it wasn't for ever. It was only temporary.

But I agree that the person who abides for ever, will continue to do the will of the Lord for ever.

There is no promise of salvation to anyone who does not do the will of the Lord. Salvation is only for those who continue (present tense) the will of the Lord.


justbyfaith said:
When a man receives the Holy Spirit he receives faith. Faith continues to be a fruit of the Holy Spirit. So then, being sealed with the Holy Spirit means that faith is instilled in the person through the Holy Ghost. And because they are sealed by the Holy Ghost, they are sealed in faith.

Faith is what man develops in his heart when he hears the word Romans 10:17. Many verses warn about losing faith Hebrews 3:12; Hebrews 4:11; Romans 11:20-21; 1 Timothy 4:1; 1 Timothy 5:12; etc, etc. No one is kept by the power of God faithless.
 

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There is no promise of salvation to anyone who does not do the will of the Lord. Salvation is only for those who continue (present tense) the will of the Lord.
see if truly saved we will want to continue . this subject is qnat straining
 

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Charismatic gone nuts.
Who am I? I am what my creator says I am. Job was righteous but tested.
Knowing the boundaries of desire verses sin, acknowledgment and repression, hidden trauma we avoid without noticing.
How quickly can a functioning individual be reduced to a wreck. My dear friends, we are very fragile and need Jesus and His love, not like a crutch, but as the source of life. All love, all blessing sources from Him, the eternal song of praise embedded in all that is. Nothing exists without His boundary, to talk against Him is to deny the most precious thing we all carry. It is why only gnashing of teeth and weeping remain when all becomes clear. God bless you
Charismatic gone nuts is to become so spiritual the world and life do not matter. It all matters, but in fellowship with Jesus, finding the path of love through it all.
Heh akon gone Jew!
 

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Most people who claim OSAS are barking up the wrong tree.
One has to be truly born again of the Holy Spirit and follow Jesus Christ only, to be Saved.

If one claims to be looking for the so called Jews to save them, then such a one is not saved at all, they are idolising nonsense for they are truly lost in religion or worst, because they have denied Jesus is the Christ in fact and that they are truly looking to another Jesus, I have people like that claiming that this place 'the world' is a dumping ground, no it's not ! it's perfect ! but for one thing "Sin" and that's the biggest hurdle, so once that all the world has a handle on Sin then and can deal with such there is no fundamental problems.
All the foundations of problems fundamentally originate with Sin.

Talking to one religious dude yesterday and he was banging on about words like someone using course language was a big Sin and that he is trying not to use such anymore, I said no it's not a capital Sin you will not go to Hell for such, but many people have lived a easy life, but I worked with people all around me who talked in such a way 24/7 I have the grace to understand them and not look down on them in spite, like we see with many in the Church who are just so up themselves and so hypocritical looking down on such people, old mate does not like to work for a living and just sponges off the government tip all his life, he is happy with that and thinks that he is blessed because of that. but if I were to get him to work then we will see the language come out and not only that but total malice would be at work due to his hatred of having to do something. a total bigot ! playing behind a poker face is what such people are truly doing and no wonder so many people have left the Churches, because I talk to such people and they for the main would come but will not because of such people who are only a total pain to have to deal with.

Now get to work and end up trying to wipe the sweat out of your eyes crawling around like a filthy pig doing something that you are really hating not to mention no one other wants to do and then get others treating you badly with malic played out against you, not to mention for years and then you will find that words mean nothing at all, but the malice towards you is truly a grave Sin, but do the majority see such as a Sin truly, they see you as their nigger.
But old mate never had to deal with that and nor would ever do such because it would offend themselves and would be on the war path looking to sue who ever they could because their ego has been hurt, but on the another hand they themselves will not only poke fun of but use malice and not want to pay the bloke, I have seen that many a time because they think that he is beneath them and my old mate is just like that, quick to see others cop it sweet and think that it's just such a great joke.
But he will tell ya that he is going to Heaven no if's or but about that.
 
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Oh...you mean like you just did?

Let's keep fighting back and forth like little children...ignoring Paul's exhortation in Galatians 5:15...biting and devouring one another with quip after quip.

What you can't handle is that I have exposed you recently as a false teacher...because you continue to fail the test of 1 John 4:1-3 (kjv) and 2 John 1:7 (kjv)....

And therefore your only recourse has been to go on the offensive, and to bite and scratch at me in order to try and get some semblance of a following back for yourself...because anyone who sees what is written in the holy scriptures will not follow you because of me.

Because your doctrine is gnostic to the core.

I have all the love in the world for you, as long as you don't devour one of the sheep that I am watching over.

If you go back to eating fruit (your eating pattern before the fall), you might even be fed.
 
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Sometime we need to talk about Christianity in the United Kingdom, just curious. And good post. Still the question is, what camp are you in?
Or do you agree that we should work to bring these scriptures in harmony?
I follow Jesus and listen to Him. I believe we can physically walk like Jesus, achieve holiness and purity. I am not saying I have or I will be able to judge this, but this is my faith in the cross. I press on.
 
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We may not be objective but God certainly is. And if God says it THAT SETTLES IT. Any claim about the uncertainty of salvation is actually UNBELIEF -- you don't really believe God! And yet you say you are spiritual.

But who creates uncertainty about salvation? The enemy of our souls -- the devil.
So what you should be doing is stepping away from all your false notions, and going back to a careful review of everything concerning salvation, God, Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the finished work of Christ. Invest in Nave's Topical Bible (KJV hard copy) and get down to business.

You demonstrate the logic of your position. I have declared what Paul declares we should test ourselves, we should not be arrogant or presumptuous, but place our faith in Jesus.

You have then declared I am in unbelief and thereby not saved. This is so extreme and unreal.

You want to be honest about daily sin, yet about faith you must be certain or its the enemy. But oddly this is also not true, because you only need to be certain for a spark of time and you are 100% guaranteed heaven. Except guys like me, lol. It is such an aggressive idiology, we are in, and you are out because of this hair trigger except it is all about hard hearts and justified sinful lifestyles. We know you and reject this thorns and thistles approach. Come to Jesus, repent, trust the cross and follow Him, amen.
 

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Heh akon gone Jew!
This appears to be saying I am a Jew. If I was a Jew, amen, who follows Jesus, but I am not or hold we need to be such. Thorns and thistles speak of the heart and the tree. This statement was written in response to a call to follow Jesus. To not follow Jesus is to not be saved. God bless you.
 

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This thread shows and declares the group who oppose the faith are here and show all the same fruits while often trying to hide it. But once exposed, their animosity flows very quickly.

They blame failure of their message on the church, and wish to destroy it. Arrogance of salvation linked with hatred of another, toxic.

Often when faced with such animosity, one can reflect it back except Jesus calls us to love and recognise the sinful trap they are the victims of, unable to break their lifestyle.
 

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I think it's time for everyone to agree to disagree and repent for striving against one another. LANGUAGE!! Envy, strife, name calling, false accusations.....SMH. This is not bringing any Glory to God and it is hard to read through this thread and see any love in it. I hope each of us can take time to seek the Holy Spirit to guide us into His Truth, to manifest His Fruits in us, to convict us and help us to be humble and walk in love towards one another always. Let us not be a stumbling block to those who cannot yet see for they are still growing in Him.
No one, not one new born Christian, started on the meat of His Word. We all started on the milk.
God Bless
 

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I think it's time for everyone to agree to disagree and repent for striving against one another. LANGUAGE!! Envy, strife, name calling, false accusations.....SMH. This is not bringing any Glory to God and it is hard to read through this thread and see any love in it. I hope each of us can take time to seek the Holy Spirit to guide us into His Truth, to manifest His Fruits in us, to convict us and help us to be humble and walk in love towards one another always. Let us not be a stumbling block to those who cannot yet see for they are still growing in Him.
No one, not one new born Christian, started on the meat of His Word. We all started on the milk.
God Bless

Hi Heart,

You cannot get what you desire if there are people who claim the name "christian" and call the "elect" workers
of the enemy. Unfortunately those who say there is a reason for compromise with those who would call followers
of Jesus denying the gospel, cannot see the threat to our testimony this really is. A kingdom divided will fall.

If these folk accept a name for their group and walk under it, that is fine. But their principle is they are the true
authentic believers and the church is apostate. What they are not aware of is the church will simply move against
such positions with force, because it is important to differentiate between those who believe Jesus changes us and
we walk in His ways empowered by the Holy Spirit, and this flash in the pan theology with no morality or need to
be a light to the world. Jesus simply summarised these people

13 You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
Matt 5
 

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Hi Heart,

You cannot get what you desire if there are people who claim the name "christian" and call the "elect" workers
of the enemy. Unfortunately those who say there is a reason for compromise with those who would call followers
of Jesus denying the gospel, cannot see the threat to our testimony this really is. A kingdom divided will fall.

If these folk accept a name for their group and walk under it, that is fine. But their principle is they are the true
authentic believers and the church is apostate. What they are not aware of is the church will simply move against
such positions with force, because it is important to differentiate between those who believe Jesus changes us and
we walk in His ways empowered by the Holy Spirit, and this flash in the pan theology with no morality or need to
be a light to the world. Jesus simply summarised these people

13 You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
Matt 5
It is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, who guides us into all truth. So I believe everyone who is seeking Him, His truth, will come to understand it as they are able to understand it.
Just my thoughts....I used to engage in debates and get angry and say mean things but the Holy Spirit convicted me and I got "grounded" for about a month. Lol...I had to accept that each person has their beliefs they grew up with and the main focus is to always Glorify God in what we share. Lifting Jesus up always.
God Bless
 
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