"and also after that" Nephilim!

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There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.We see two basic thoughts in this passage of scripture. First of all, these giants, or Nephilim, were the results of angelic-human mating. It seems that when Satan or any fallen angel does this, a giant (and a fearful, mighty one at that) results.The second thing is the 4-letter passage “and also after that” which goes by mostly undetected. And after what? After the time of Noah, the flood. What was after Noah? “when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men”.This explains how Canaan was infested with giants after the flood. Satan tried to ruin the lineage of Adam with hybrid beings, and when the flood wiped them all out, Satan apparently (although the specifics are not recorded in the bible) tried again to prevent the Israelites from entering.I have here two links of a guy whose theology sounds exactly like mine from what I read in his two articles (his picture even looks something like me standing next to that bone)---- make sure to read both articles as they are not that long.The first article is plan B talks about the Nephilim---- read his wild story at the end regarding the Sioux Indians. This probably explains supernatural events today such as Big Foot, aliens, poltergeists and the like (I’ll probably end up a paranormal investigator yet!)The second article, plan C, tells of end time return of the Nephilim (“as in the days of Noah….”) and alien invasions, etc. In this return, the author suggests that the Nephilim will be more deceptive, Antichrist, etc. While I do not teach alien invasions as gospel per se (since nobody knows for sure) the things he said are exactly the same things that crossed my mind to be honest. However, I never taught them because people have a hard enough time with past Nephilim, let alone conspiracy-theory type alien events in the future.
 

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The angels that sinned back in Genesis 6:2-4 were called “sons of God” in contrast to the “daughters of men.” This term, “sons of God” refers to spiritual beings that have access to the heavens—in contrast to earth-bound fleshly creatures. Thus we see the “sons of God” standing before God in Job 1:6. In the New Testament the term is used to describe men and women who can “become the sons of God” (John 1:12) through Jesus Christ.Genesis 6:2 also says that these sons of God took “the daughters of men” as wives and produced children by them. The Hebrew word for “men” is awdawm, or Adam, which is the usual word for men or mankind. When the Bible refers to the man Adam himself, it says ha-awdawm, or “the (man) Adam.” The article “the” makes the term specific. Dr. Bullinger points out in The Companion Bible, Appendix 14,“Adam, without the article, denotes man or mankind in general (Gen. 1:26; 2:5; 5:1). With the article, it denotes the man, Adam. . . .”With this in mind, let us read Genesis 6:1, 2,1 Now it came about, when Adam [ha-awdawm] began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them [Adam and Eve, Gen. 1:27; 5:2] 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of Adam [ha-awdawm] were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.Adam and Eve had both sons and daughters. Adam's daughters were beautiful, and these angels took them as wives. Verse 4 says that they had children by them. Ultimately, the earth was so corrupted by this genetic mixture that God sent the flood to destroy them. Only Noah was found to be “perfect in his genealogy” (Gen. 6:9, literal). God's motive is given in Genesis 6:3, which reads literally,3 My Spirit will not always [olam] strive (as in court) with the (man) Adam in their straying, because he also is flesh . . .In other words, though these other spirits (fallen angels) would attempt to fulfill the prophecies by their own cohabitation with women on earth, the Spirit of God will intervene and not allow this to happen. The flood, then, was designed to thwart these fallen angels in their design.These angels were called Nephilim, or “giants” in Genesis 6:4. This is the plural form of nephil, “a feller,” or one who cuts others down; hence, a bully or tyrant. The root word is naphal, “to fall.” This is probably the origin of the idea of “fallen” angels. Though Nephilim applies primarily to their actions in cutting down others, it carries this secondary meaning of having been felled by God in the flood.The nature of their “fall” in the sense of their disobedience is given in Jude 6,6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.In other words, these angels desired to become flesh and dwell with the daughters of Adam. Why? Because angels are spirits, and they have the ability to manifest in flesh, but what they did not have was a soul. Nowhere in the Bible do we find that angels were given souls. The soul is in the blood, Leviticus 17:11 tells us. Angels do not have blood. They coveted a soul in order to gain authority over the earth, for God made man a living soul (Gen. 2:7) and gave man dominion over the earth (Genesis 1:26). In that sense, angels “fell” from heaven to earth—but then fell from earth to Tartarus.Jude then relates the fallen angels to Sodom and Gomorrah, where the people “indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh” (Jude 7). The term “strange flesh” simply means foreign flesh—that is, in the Biblical sense, forbidden sexual relations or marriages. The angels were not allowed to marry the daughters of men, even as the men of Sodom were not allowed to marry other men in homosexual unions. This is, of course, one of the major social and moral issues facing us today. In the name of liberty we are once again going the way of Sodom.Another intriguing question is the fact that Jesus said the last days would be “as in the days of Noah” (Matt. 24:37). We know that there were Nephilim even AFTER the flood, for Genesis 6:4 says,4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward [Heb. ken, “to set upright; correct”], when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men [Heb. gibbor] who were of old men of renown.So we see that even after God brought correction by means of the flood, there were Nephilim who again took the daughters of men and had more children by them. The Nephilim's children thereafter usually were called Gibbor, “mighty men,” and Rephaim, from rapha, “to heal, invigorate.” The twelve spies in Israel saw these Nephilim when they spied out the land, and this is what made the people most afraid to enter the land at that time. We read of this in Numbers 13:32, 33,32 So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, The land through which we have gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the men whom we saw in it are men of great size. 33 There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Gibbor); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.This verse equates the Nephilim with the Gibbor. Joshua destroyed most of the Anakim in Joshua 11:21, 22,21 Then Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab and from all the hill country of Judah and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua utterly destroyed them with their cities. 22 There were no Anakim left in the land of the sons of Israel; only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod some remained.Some yet remained until the time of David. Goliath of Gath came from this family of Anak, where some of these giants remained. David slew Goliath, and in a later battle Goliath's brother was killed along with their sons (1 Chron. 20:5-8).If we are living now in the days comparable to those of Noah, then perhaps this may have bearing on the question of UFO's and so-called “extra-terrestrials.” I know that these really exist because back in 1975, I was approximately 50 feet below a UFO and I was curious but not afraid. It lingered for about 15 minutes and within a split second it was gone.Logabe
 

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Both very good posts agreed there were two influxes of Fallen angels before the flood it was in-fact the reason for the flood as so many had mated/intermingled with fallen the fallen Angels that to preserve the Bloodline of which Christ would come God had to send the flood. This can be seen in the name Noah itself in the Hebrew which means without spot undefiled, in Pedigree/blood The Heb. word tamim means without blemish, and is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, and not moral. Hence it is used of animals of sacrificial purity. It is rendered without blemish without Spot. Undefiled. Ps. 119:1. This shows that Gen. 6:9 does not speak of Noah's moral perfection, but tells us that he and his family alone had preserved their pedigree and kept it pure, in spite of the prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels. See Ap. 23 and 25. This might be compared today, as it was in many places in scripture, to a pedigree we would see in a prized Animal The second influx was after the Flood and Logabe has given the scriptures above. We are also told of a third influx that is to come. If we examine the scripture as to how Christ says he will return in the clouds ect. A UfO with Fallen Angels landing would certainly meet the requirement for a delusion so great the entire World would be fooled an interesting point to consider an one I don't think we should dismiss without serious thought. I too have seen one though I had no idea at the time what it was, thought it some military thing. Till later I realized we had nothing that could behave in that manner.
 

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Yes, I agree with all you say here. As for Noah, yes he was perfect in his generations. As a guy here that likes genealogies, I realize his linage was the only one that did not mix and mingle with all the abominations that took place. The result was salvation from the flood (a type of salvation in Christ and baptism as the only way out) which as 1 Peter 3:20 says only 8 souls escaped God's wrath. God was far more determined than Satan to keep the race pure.
 

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The soul is in the blood, Leviticus 17:11 tells us. Angelsdo not have blood. They coveted a soul in order to gainauthority over the earth, for God made man a living soul(Gen. 2:7) and gave man dominion over the earth(Genesis 1:26). In that sense, angels “fell” from heavento earth—but then fell from earth to Tartarus.
Yes logabe. I agree 110% and again find you very insightful on these matters.One thing you did not mention (unless I missed it) is why they want authority over the earth? The reason is the first earth age (between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2) where Satan once was the prince of this world and held the throne of the earth. As the Isaiah and Ezekiel passages show (as well as apocryphal sources), Satan became prideful and fell. God realized that a created being would not be able to carry out God's purpose, so God created man as Himself to become like Him. This was Adam who was supposed to take from the tree of life. He was not only created, but was designed to be begotten of God as a son. This God-being would be the same in thought and mind to carry out God's purpose and creativity better than an angel(s). Jewish literature has Satan jealous over Adam because he refused to worship a mere clay being! (c.f. Hebrews 1:6 which was supposed to have applied to Adam, now is applied to Christ the last Adam). Since Satan lost the throne of the earth and it was to go to man, Satan tempted them in the garden. Man's submission to Satan's suggestion in effect placed him as the "god of this world" again over all creation. IN the meantime, Satan knew of his impending doom by Messiah thru Adam's bloodline, this race that God created and tried to mess it up with cross-breeding. This would assure a continual reign on this earth. If they mixed with man's blood so-to-speak as you pointed out and messed up the lineage of Christ and gained the physical upper hand, then they had BOTH spiritual control which Adam gave, and physical control by cutting off Messiah and becoming as the man to rule over the earth. This would assure their position forever.Fortunately, the flood wiped them all out, and I agree that this happened again (knowing that God promised never to flood again) but apparently on a lesser scale. I think, and this is my opinion and I will say so when I cannot back something up with specific scripture, that the worst of the fallen angels that did this abominable hybrid experiment were locked up as Jude teaches. However, there may be a few left over that did not participate before that will try again. This is the source IMO of paranormal incidences such as aliens, poltergeists, mythical creatures and so forth.Probably demonic and poltergeist entities today have to do with the souls of the Nephilim, which in turn are hybrid fallen angels. Fallen angels themselves have glorious spiritual bodies and as such do not require a physical one. But what about the souls of the Nephilim that died? It seems they are seeking a body to again inhabit, an may account for the possessions and similar spiritual things that occur today.Again, thanks for your insight.
 

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If Antichrist is going to pretend to be christ he must mimic Christ return This is one reason I believe Satan is the antichrist he is the only one who could mimic Christs return. Thus convincing the world he is christ. Arriving in a UFO could accomplish this read the comparisons.Comparison of Christs coming and Antichrist (Satans) coming Mat.16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders2Th2:10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved2Th2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:Mat 24:36-4036But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. We are told to wait we do not want to be the first gathered in the field the tares are gathered first Mat.13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one]; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 

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If Antichrist is going to pretend to be christ he must mimic Christ returnThis is one reason I believe Satan is the antichrist he is the only one who could mimic Christs return. Thus convincing the world he is christ. Arriving in a UFO could accomplish this read the comparisons.
That's very possible. Another thing I have in mind is his genealogy. The Da Vinci code myth may be setting people up also to accept an Antichrist who claims royal birth
 

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Very intersting link to Jewish ency. on Satan http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp...=S&search=satanAs the incarnation of evil Satan is the arch-enemy of the Messiah: he is Antichrist. The light which was created before the world was hidden by God beneath His throne; and to the question of Satan in regard to it God answered, "This light is kept for him who shall bring thee to shame." At his request God showed Satan the Messiah; "and when he saw him he trembled, fell upon his face, and cried: 'Verily this is the Messiah who shall hurl me and all the princes of the angels of the peoples down even unto hell'" (Pesiḳ. R. iii. 6 [ed. Friedmann, p. 161b]; further details are given in Bousset, "Der Antichrist").Another note of interest If you go to the link then click on serpent we also have thisSerpents copulate with their bellies turned toward each other; the period of gestation is seven years, the Same length of time as the 7 year period of Tribulation...The ole serpent the devil is cast from Heaventhis could also according to Jewish Idiom be representative of 7000 years which takes us to end of mill. and Satan's destructionGod never fails to amaze me in this Word serpent symbolically we could see a picture of both the seduction of Eve in the Garden,(belly to belly) the 7 year trib. of Satan the serpent,(7 years) and his End. (after 7000 years)
 

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No. THey are actually advanced vehicles( hi-tech from what we know today). Please see Ezekial 1:4 "And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. "There is no word for color in Hebrew so if you look up the word Amber, in your Strongs, it means highly polished bronze. Ezekial had only seen an ox cart before this ,so he did a real good job of describing the vehicles that carried GOD's throne and the souls within.Hope this helps!
 

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i am going to disagree with both of you. your exegesis is terrible and i think i will be leaving this forum now., you are out there, way out there.
 

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i am going to disagree with both of you. your exegesis is terrible and i think i will be leaving this forum now., you are out there, way out there.
I am not sure what or whom you are disagreeing with here.
 

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Ego?If I find a church whose doctrines I don't believe and I choose not to attend that's not a matter of ego but a matter of choice. I have yet to know a church who doesn't feel they have it "right". That's no criticism for organized worship but if they didn't feel so then why would they exist in the first place?I don't hold with the Serpent Seed doctrine either and I see that's what this forum supports. So as archaeologist had decided so do I.See ya
 

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Ego?If I find a church whose doctrines I don't believe and I choose not to attend that's not a matter of ego but a matter of choice. I have yet to know a church who doesn't feel they have it "right". That's no criticism for organized worship but if they didn't feel so then why would they exist in the first place?I don't hold with the Serpent Seed doctrine either and I see that's what this forum supports. So as archaeologist had decided so do I.See ya
I guess that's why there is a little "X" at the top of your computer screen. Have a good day. :angel7:
 

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Both very good posts agreed there were two influxes of Fallen angels before the flood it was in-fact the reason for the flood as so many had mated/intermingled with fallen the fallen Angels that to preserve the Bloodline of which Christ would come God had to send the flood. This can be seen in the name Noah itself in the Hebrew which means without spot undefiled, in Pedigree/blood The Heb. word tamim means without blemish, and is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, and not moral. Hence it is used of animals of sacrificial purity. It is rendered without blemish without Spot. Undefiled. Ps. 119:1. This shows that Gen. 6:9 does not speak of Noah's moral perfection, but tells us that he and his family alone had preserved their pedigree and kept it pure, in spite of the prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels. See Ap. 23 and 25. This might be compared today, as it was in many places in scripture, to a pedigree we would see in a prized Animal The second influx was after the Flood and Logabe has given the scriptures above. We are also told of a third influx that is to come. If we examine the scripture as to how Christ says he will return in the clouds ect. A UfO with Fallen Angels landing would certainly meet the requirement for a delusion so great the entire World would be fooled an interesting point to consider an one I don't think we should dismiss without serious thought. I too have seen one though I had no idea at the time what it was, thought it some military thing. Till later I realized we had nothing that could behave in that manner.
I have done some recent posts on the studies of transhumanism and modern genetic manipulations -the full reports are on my blog, but suffice to say there are some dangerous parallels starting to emeerge with regard to cosmic humanism and genetics.You may also be interested on a study I did entitled An Anatomy of Delusion: Humanism on Steroids, a focus on the philosophical and worldview background of transhumanism, evolution and the heretic Teilhard de Chardin' philosophies which have influenced so much of modern new age thought.Blessings :bible:Catalyst