Afraid of coming up short from all God wants for me, but not afraid of God, my Father, Who loves me. Not like that, not afraid He's going to throw me into the lake of fire.
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Philippians 2:12
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what do you make of 1 Peter 1:17 ?
Since you call on a Father who judges each person's work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.
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what do you make of 1 Peter 1:17 ?
Since you call on a Father who judges each person's work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.
Blessings
Since the Bible clearly states that we are to examine ourselves as to whether we are in the faith, why would it be *silly*?
Now this would be silly. It would mean that you were plotting and planning to (say) rob a bank, therefore you asked Jesus to forgive your FUTURE SIN. But you would go ahead and do it anyway, since now that this crime had been supposedly forgiven, you had the green light from God!
'Wherefore, my beloved,
as ye have always obeyed,
not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence,
work out your own salvation
with fear and trembling.
For it is God which worketh in you
both to will and to do of His good pleasure.'
(Philippians 2:12-13)
Hello there,
My thanks to all who have responded to the OP.
I thank those who have questioned my use of the words of Paul:- 'fear and trembling': for I realise that I ought to have taken more time over them. Yet, it was the words, 'work out your own salvation', that were my main object.
* The words 'fear and trembling' are used by Paul on several occasions: (1 Corinthians 2:3; 2 Corinthians 7:15; Philippians 2:12).
* In regard to the working out of our salvation: it shows the attitude of heart and mind with which we are to walk, doesn't it? For it is God Who is working in us, both to will and to do of His good pleasure. So our walk of faith is to be lived in the consciousness that we now walk 'before Him', as those who are His workmanship. Our desire being to please Him, and walk in a manner that will glorify Him, ever conscious of the frailty of our own flesh.
* We have no reason to fear God, as judge, for He has accepted us in the Beloved, and our sins have been forgiven, so that before Him there is no condemnation. However, our walk and witness (or service) will be judged, and there is a prize to be lost, of reigning with Christ. So, on that basis, a godly fear is good to have.
* We are now, 'Sons', and therefore are to walk as 'Sons', seeking to bring honour to our Heavenly Father.
Praise His Holy Name!
I hope this settles all dispute regarding this.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
as ye have always obeyed,
not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence,
work out your own salvation
with fear and trembling.
For it is God which worketh in you
both to will and to do of His good pleasure.'
(Philippians 2:12-13)
Hello there,
My thanks to all who have responded to the OP.
I thank those who have questioned my use of the words of Paul:- 'fear and trembling': for I realise that I ought to have taken more time over them. Yet, it was the words, 'work out your own salvation', that were my main object.
* The words 'fear and trembling' are used by Paul on several occasions: (1 Corinthians 2:3; 2 Corinthians 7:15; Philippians 2:12).
* In regard to the working out of our salvation: it shows the attitude of heart and mind with which we are to walk, doesn't it? For it is God Who is working in us, both to will and to do of His good pleasure. So our walk of faith is to be lived in the consciousness that we now walk 'before Him', as those who are His workmanship. Our desire being to please Him, and walk in a manner that will glorify Him, ever conscious of the frailty of our own flesh.
* We have no reason to fear God, as judge, for He has accepted us in the Beloved, and our sins have been forgiven, so that before Him there is no condemnation. However, our walk and witness (or service) will be judged, and there is a prize to be lost, of reigning with Christ. So, on that basis, a godly fear is good to have.
* We are now, 'Sons', and therefore are to walk as 'Sons', seeking to bring honour to our Heavenly Father.
Praise His Holy Name!
I hope this settles all dispute regarding this.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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'And if ye call on the Father,
who without respect of persons
judgeth according to every man's work,
pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: ... '
(1 Peter 1:17)
Hi there, @friend of,
This verse needs, (as with all verses) to be read within it's context, doesn't it? 1 Peter 1:13-25, is well worth reading in the light of the verse which is the subject of the thread, and I thank you for raising it.
* Though the believer will never come into condemnation, or have to be judged according to their sin, nevertheless they will be judged according to their service.
* We are citizens of another country, in Christ Jesus, and our time here is as a 'sojourning', we live in a strange and alien world, ruled by the Prince of this world. We are spiritual beings in a world where the flesh holds sway. So we must keep our minds stayed upon Christ, where He is, at God's right hand, and live as those who have been saved by grace: working out in practical ways, what God has worked in us, in and through our Lord Jesus Christ. Living as those who have been brought out of darkness into His glorious light, set free from slavery to sin, we can rejoice in the freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, and walk accordingly as children of light, in the love and grace of God. Loving one another, and caring for one another, thereby showing forth in this world of sin, the love of God which is available to all, in and through Christ Jesus, God's only Begotten Son.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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The answer I think is provided in Philippians itself:
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1.6).
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Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
What do you think He became obedient to...even unto death? Love Father...love neighbor. The second gets ignored often by those fighting the: once born of God always born of God...in it is based off their works to maintain. Which in ignoring the second the first is ignored as well. If that is worth your doctrinal position...that is your call. Some nasty demeaning comments have been made in the past, and what I’ve wanted to ask you for the longest time but didn’t have the guts to is: how do know I am not a sister? “Obedient unto death.” Love God. Love neighbor. If you won’t to fool yourself those are examined ...we all should hope and pray it is based of His mercy and grace ...and not our works of the flesh....otherwise we all fall short. Examine the first two; in those two you fulfill the Law.
I think the sense there is: 'obedient unto to the point of death'.
Morally, death had no hold on Him. '..the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me' (John 14.30).
Fits in also with Godly fear in Malachi 3.16: "Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name."'Wherefore, my beloved,
as ye have always obeyed,
not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence,
work out your own salvation
with fear and trembling.
For it is God which worketh in you
both to will and to do of His good pleasure.'
(Philippians 2:12-13)
Hello there,
My thanks to all who have responded to the OP.
I thank those who have questioned my use of the words of Paul:- 'fear and trembling': for I realise that I ought to have taken more time over them. Yet, it was the words, 'work out your own salvation', that were my main object.
* The words 'fear and trembling' are used by Paul on several occasions: (1 Corinthians 2:3; 2 Corinthians 7:15; Philippians 2:12).
* In regard to the working out of our salvation: it shows the attitude of heart and mind with which we are to walk, doesn't it? For it is God Who is working in us, both to will and to do of His good pleasure. So our walk of faith is to be lived in the consciousness that we now walk 'before Him', as those who are His workmanship. Our desire being to please Him, and walk in a manner that will glorify Him, ever conscious of the frailty of our own flesh.
* We have no reason to fear God, as judge, for He has accepted us in the Beloved, and our sins have been forgiven, so that before Him there is no condemnation. However, our walk and witness (or service) will be judged, and there is a prize to be lost, of reigning with Christ. So, on that basis, a godly fear is good to have.
* We are now, 'Sons', and therefore are to walk as 'Sons', seeking to bring honour to our Heavenly Father.
Praise His Holy Name!
I hope this settles all dispute regarding this.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Wouldn’t agree but With His whole heart: mind, body and soul; He fulfilled: Love the Father. And love neighbor more than you love yourself. “...the prince of this world comes..” and “...has nothing in Me.” Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Hebrews 12:2-3
[2] Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. [3] For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Luke 22:42-44
[42] Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. [43] And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. [44] And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
Ernest T. Bass
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The verses leading up to Philippians 2:12 speak of Christ's obedience..."Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. "
"wherefore" - as Christ was obedient we are also be obedient = no faith only.
"as ye have always obeyed" - those Philippians had obeyed Christ's gospel in the past.
"not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence" - they did not sit idle in Paul's absence, they did not need Paul always among them to urge them to coax them to obey.
"work out your own salvation" - they always obeyed in the past and they continue to obey. The verb 'work" is present tense, middle voice and imperative mood. This shows salvation is not a one time unconditional done deal but it is a process....keep on working out your salvation. The middle voice shows it is up to you to do this work, no one will do it for you. The imperative makes it a command of God that must be obeyed or else one falls into sin, disobedience to God. One cannot stop this work leaving it incomplete, partly done for one will fall short of entering the strait gate if one quits this work, quits striving, Luke 13:24.
"with fear and trembling." - Hebrews 12:28, fear not meaning afraid but awe. Even though one's obedience will not be perfect, one is to strive to do what is his duty (Luke 17:10), be mindful of one's own weaknesses and trust God seeking Him for help.
"For" - an explanatory preposition explain why one must keep on working out his salvation.
"God which worketh in you " - God works in those who obey Him not in those who disobey Him. God's word is able to work in men to change their will, as those in Acts 2 were pricked in their hearts by God's word preached to them by Peter and obeyed God's will.
"both to will and to do of his good pleasure." - one is to do God's will so one will not be barren but bear fruit. Obeying God is doing "His good pleasure" ..3 John 1:4 "I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth."
"wherefore" - as Christ was obedient we are also be obedient = no faith only.
"as ye have always obeyed" - those Philippians had obeyed Christ's gospel in the past.
"not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence" - they did not sit idle in Paul's absence, they did not need Paul always among them to urge them to coax them to obey.
"work out your own salvation" - they always obeyed in the past and they continue to obey. The verb 'work" is present tense, middle voice and imperative mood. This shows salvation is not a one time unconditional done deal but it is a process....keep on working out your salvation. The middle voice shows it is up to you to do this work, no one will do it for you. The imperative makes it a command of God that must be obeyed or else one falls into sin, disobedience to God. One cannot stop this work leaving it incomplete, partly done for one will fall short of entering the strait gate if one quits this work, quits striving, Luke 13:24.
"with fear and trembling." - Hebrews 12:28, fear not meaning afraid but awe. Even though one's obedience will not be perfect, one is to strive to do what is his duty (Luke 17:10), be mindful of one's own weaknesses and trust God seeking Him for help.
"For" - an explanatory preposition explain why one must keep on working out his salvation.
"God which worketh in you " - God works in those who obey Him not in those who disobey Him. God's word is able to work in men to change their will, as those in Acts 2 were pricked in their hearts by God's word preached to them by Peter and obeyed God's will.
"both to will and to do of his good pleasure." - one is to do God's will so one will not be barren but bear fruit. Obeying God is doing "His good pleasure" ..3 John 1:4 "I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth."
Davy
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Kind of an unrealistic question, right?
"For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of..." (2 Corinthians 7.10).
Ernest T. Bass
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Once when I was baptized and had my sins remitted since then I have continued to walk in the light (1 John 1:7) and have not abandoned that walk altogether.
Some do abandon that walk and leave Christ becoming lost and remain lost unless, until they repent and return back to walking in the light.
Again the verb work in Phil 2:12 shows an action that is ongoing sustained. Similar to the idea one is not to quit running the race till he has crossed the finish line. Quit running the race one will not cross the finish line, will not enter the strait gate. Hebrews 12:1
If someone is lost, s/he was never saved. Romans 8.38-39
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