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I have an aunt who is LDS and I have talked with her extensively about her faith. I know she believes is Jesus as the son of God, salvation comes through Him, baptism of water and Holy Spirit....all the basic foundations of Christianity. They are strict and somewhat leaning towards legalism.
They are very structured in their church fellowship.
Our only disagreement is Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon....

Mormons define words differently than do Christians.

So when they say, for example, that "we believe that Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead" (if they do say that), they may be saying to each other something entirely different than what you would perceive them to be saying as a Christian.

Their understanding of biblical words is colored by mormon documents.

So you may be understanding them to be saying one thing, and within their ranks they believe something entirely different. If you were to actually become a mormon and were to be indoctrinated by them, you also would understand Christian terminology differently than most Christians, in the same way that mormons do.

If it were not the case, then mormonism wouldn't be another religion entirely. Nevertheless, it is.

There are things believed in mormonism that are so off-the-wall, that if mormonism were Christiianity, atheist would have no more conviction of sins; they would be laughing in our faces over the ridiculousness of our beliefs.

When atheists come across real Christian doctrine, however, they are convicted of their sins.
 

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Mormons define words differently than do Christians.

So when they say, for example, that "we believe that Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead" (if they do say that), they may be saying to each other something entirely different than what you would perceive them to be saying as a Christian.

Their understanding of biblical words is colored by mormon documents.

So you may be understanding them to be saying one thing, and within their ranks they believe something entirely different. If you were to actually become a mormon and were to be indoctrinated by them, you also would understand Christian terminology differently than most Christians, in the same way that mormons do.

If it were not the case, then mormonism wouldn't be another religion entirely. Nevertheless, it is.

There are things believed in mormonism that are so off-the-wall, that if mormonism were Christiianity, atheist would have no more conviction of sins; they would be laughing in our faces over the ridiculousness of our beliefs.

When atheists come across real Christian doctrine, however, they are convicted of their sins.
I have some of those same convictions of other denominations. For example it is hard for me to comprehend the Catholic faith....I struggle with "confession" where they "go" to confession and confess their sins to their pastor (father) and he gives them so many "hail mary's" to say and they are forgiven.
I struggle with Church of Christ teaching music is evil in the church, I struggle with Methodist who hear the preaching of the Word then dismiss to the fellowship hall smoking and acting very worldly, or Baptist who believe in water baptism but avoid baptism of the Holy Spirit....Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the list goes on and on.
It just makes my head spin!
My conclusion, I love them all. I openly share with them I don't necessarily agree with their doctrines but the main point is do they believe Jesus is the way to salvation. I ask if they have accepted Him as their Lord and Savior....for those who have I know God is working in them and leading them into His Truth....for those who haven't I share the Word and plant seed.
 

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I struggle with Church of Christ teaching music is evil in the church,

Just a little tidbit concerning this...if you read Psalms 150 I don't think you will struggle with that doctrine anymore.

I would say, also, that if the beliefs of the church of Christ can be refuted by a simple scripture, that those other pseudo-Christian religions can also be refuted by the holy scriptures.

And yes, we are to love the people.

It is the doctrines that I don't love so much.

1Co 13:6, <charity/agape love> Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
 
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I struggle with Church of Christ teaching music is evil in the church, .
My wife was raised from birth in the CoC, and I spent 12 years in that organization. You might be interested to know that they do not teach that. It is simply tradition that they do not use instruments because they find no mention of instruments being used in worship in the NT.
 

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I have an aunt who is LDS and I have talked with her extensively about her faith. I know she believes is Jesus as the son of God, salvation comes through Him, baptism of water and Holy Spirit....all the basic foundations of Christianity. They are strict and somewhat leaning towards legalism.
They are very structured in their church fellowship.
Our only disagreement is Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon....
I had the one very bad personal experience with a Mormon, my sister-in-law. But I have met too many 'good' Mormons to condemn them all because of her. She could have easily belonged to any other church group and done the same thing she did to my little girl. Being connected to the wrong group of people in a church setting or not can hurt a person, but people in the worst of places can and do reach out to God to just touch the hem of His garment.

Where I live now, being a controlled community, no solicitors or missionaries are allowed, but in the past I always loved the opportunity to discuss the things of God with the young Mormons. Their youth and relative inexperience in the order or rules or even beliefs of their church probably made them more open, but nonetheless we had good discussions and prayers together. They always came back even though I made it clear I was not likely to ever join their church. My experiences with the JW visitors were never so good.
 
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My wife was raised from birth in the CoC, and I spent 12 years in that organization. You might be interested to know that they do not teach that. It is simply tradition that they do not use instruments because they find no mention of instruments being used in worship in the NT.
oh okay my bad, but in a round about way they don't see it as holy and acceptable...
 
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Just a little tidbit concerning this...if you read Psalms 150 I don't think you will struggle with that doctrine anymore.

I would say, also, that if the beliefs of the church of Christ can be refuted by a simple scripture, that those other pseudo-Christian religions can also be refuted by the holy scriptures.

And yes, we are to love the people.

It is the doctrines that I don't love so much.

1Co 13:6, <charity/agape love> Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Exactly! I am on the same page with you in that respect about the doctrines and the scripture.
 

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I had the one very bad personal experience with a Mormon, my sister-in-law. But I have met too many 'good' Mormons to condemn them all because of her. She could have easily belonged to any other church group and done the same thing she did to my little girl. Being connected to the wrong group of people in a church setting or not can hurt a person, but people in the worst of places can and do reach out to God to just touch the hem of His garment.

Where I live now, being a controlled community, no solicitors or missionaries are allowed, but in the past I always loved the opportunity to discuss the things of God with the young Mormons. Their youth and relative inexperience in the order or rules or even beliefs of their church probably made them more open, but nonetheless we had good discussions and prayers together. They always came back even though I made it clear I was not likely to ever join their church. My experiences with the JW visitors were never so good.
They are very pushy....if you ever open the door and let them in to witness....which I did but it was the first time I ever encountered any JW's.
 

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They are very pushy....if you ever open the door and let them in to witness....which I did but it was the first time I ever encountered any JW's.
Mine and my wife’s experience was after about two hrs they said they didn’t understand our love for them, us not being JWs
 
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They are very pushy....if you ever open the door and let them in to witness....which I did but it was the first time I ever encountered any JW's.
I spent about 8 years occasionally sharing a motel room with a JW in the course of our out-of-town work with the Power Company. I went to several of their Kingdom Hall Tuesday night classes with him in various towns. For a fact, they are a difficult bunch to reason with.
 

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I spent about 8 years occasionally sharing a motel room with a JW in the course of our out-of-town work with the Power Company. I went to several of their Kingdom Hall Tuesday night classes with him in various towns. For a fact, they are a difficult bunch to reason with.
I used to come home and find one of their brochures on the door.....the watchtower I think it was called....i don't remember....but I was only 21 and I would read them with a lot of enthusiasm....then I grew in my faith and realized...ooops.
 
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@Jane_Doe22 I am curious as to whether the LDS is a spinoff of mormon faith or is it the same as from the foundation of it's beginning. Or in other words has it changed in the doctrines....I am thinking it has....for example polygamy is not practiced anymore in LDS? Right?
 

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Just a little tidbit concerning this...if you read Psalms 150 I don't think you will struggle with that doctrine anymore.
I would say, also, that if the beliefs of the church of Christ can be refuted by a simple scripture, that those other pseudo-Christian religions can also be refuted by the holy scriptures.
And yes, we are to love the people.
It is the doctrines that I don't love so much.
1Co 13:6, <charity/agape love> Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Exactly! I am on the same page with you in that respect about the doctrines and the scripture.
In serious truth, we need to be careful with relying too much on "One Verse Christianity". Just about anything we choose to declare, and almost any religious doctrine one chooses to either embrace or dissuade can be "proven" by using "selected" Scriptures from the Bible.
 

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@Jane_Doe22 I am curious as to whether the LDS is a spinoff of mormon faith or is it the same as from the foundation of it's beginning. Or in other words has it changed in the doctrines....I am thinking it has....for example polygamy is not practiced anymore in LDS? Right?
Uh, there really is no "Mormon Faith" that is just a derogatory way we "Christians" refer to the Church of Latter Day Saints.
 

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In serious truth, we need to be careful with relying too much on "One Verse Christianity". Just about anything we choose to declare, and almost any religious doctrine one chooses to either embrace or dissuade can be "proven" by using "selected" Scriptures from the Bible.
This is wisdom, yes thank you for reminding me.
 

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Uh, there really is no "Mormon Faith" that is just a derogatory way we "Christians" refer to the Church of Latter Day Saints.
see I don't know much....just enough to join the conversation...lol....but really, they did quit polygamy right?
 
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@Jane_Doe22 I am curious as to whether the LDS is a spinoff of mormon faith or is it the same as from the foundation of it's beginning. Or in other words has it changed in the doctrines....I am thinking it has....for example polygamy is not practiced anymore in LDS? Right?
Lots of topics here:

Name: The church's formal name is Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, which is the preferred name. But admittedly it is a mouthful, so there are nicknames. "LDS" is a shorthand one, I'm a fan of "LDS Christian". The most common nickname "Mormon" (referencing the Book of Mormon) was originally a slur, and nowadays is sort of whatever.

Changes in general: we followers of Christ don't know everything about God & His ways right now. LDS Christians very much believe that God continues to lead His people, guiding and continuing to teach His ways. Hence, our understanding of things and practices do change throughout time with God's guidance.

Polygamy: is an example of changing practice. 150 years ago it was practiced. For the last 100+ years, it is not. If you go and marry a second person, then that is grounds for immediate excommunication.

A more recent example of changes (this one being structural/practice): for the last ~110 years, the youth program for boys was tied extremely closely with Boy Scouts of America. This was great for many years, but not anymore. So they are coming up with a completely new youth program for everyone, details of which are excepted to be announced this October.
see I don't know much....just enough to join the conversation...lol....but really, they did quit polygamy right?
Yes. More details above.
 

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see I don't know much....just enough to join the conversation...lol....but really, they did quit polygamy right?
Some parts of their church never practiced it at all... and a few strains of it still cling to it. But, as an organization, "No" The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not profess it. They, like just about every other church, have changed a lot over the years.
 

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Some parts of their church never practiced it at all... and a few strains of it still cling to it. But, as an organization, "No" The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not profess it. They, like just about every other church, have changed a lot over the years.
Proof that God is leading them into His truth....leading ALL of us into His Truth....to become one...the body of Christ...having one mind towards Him in unity of faith.