Judaizers! They Live!!!! They walk among us!!!

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While the Ten Commandments are a part of the Mosaic Law, they are also unchanging and eternal and have been incorporated into the Law of Christ, or the Law of Love (or the Law of Liberty).

Now please note carefully why you are mistaken:

ROMANS 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the Law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love (AGAPE) is the fulfilling of the Law.

1 CORINTHIANS 13

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away...
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity (AGAPE).

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Hi Grailhunter,

Just a little clarification on this pleaae.
Are you saying its ok to lie?



Peace!

lol Philip you know better than that. The teachings of Christ are about honesty. The Law in the Ten Commandment is about bearing false witness against your neighbor....as in a legalistic religion that the witness of a few can get you executed. I was also mentioning the cultural views of trickery that we can find examples of throughout the Old Testament and in modern Middle Eastern cultures.
 

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lol Philip you know better than that. The teachings of Christ are about honesty. The Law in the Ten Commandment is about bearing false witness against your neighbor....as in a legalistic religion that the witness of a few can get you executed. I was also mentioning the cultural views of trickery that we can find examples of throughout the Old Testament and in modern Middle Eastern cultures.

Thank you for the clarification ;)

Peace!
 
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For the Israelites, as an ethnic people.

It's actually quite impossible to keep the Law here today. At least I don't know any Levites to give my tithes to.

Much love!

Here is a new testament verse and no reference to Levites, imagine that?

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 
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Exactly....thought about converting to Judaism but the Law of Moses was just too much! Lol

I am sure glad you choose not to dive into Judaism!!! Now if you will entertain what I am about to express you will have a greater understanding about Judaism! Within the Torah, 5 books of Moses, there are 613 Commandments. Some are for children, some for women, some for men, some for Levites among the men, some for the Priest of Aarons line, and some for the High Priest, and if you were to read them all you would find that you keep most of them anyway! Now we have to subtract the Commandments concerning Temple sacrifice's!!!
So if you look at your Bible, and consider the amount of pages that are in the first five books! the Torah, it really is not a large volume!
Judaism is a direct extension of Phariseeism, they are just the same! The Pharisees claimed that God gave Moses the Torah to write down, BUT also gave what they, the Pharisees call the Oral Torah, only transmitted down through the ages by word of mouth, ending up to them. So when we read about Jesus having conflict with the Religious leaders of His Day, He was not only correcting their Traditions, But by His Authority Jesus was tearing down All their Manmade Commandments, Yes, Commandments!!
If you go online you can find the Oral Torah, now written down, and it houses 22 Volume's the size of our whole Bible!
The Pharisees had added too, and diminished from the Mosaic Law, and had created their own Religion. For example, there are about 500 rules and commandments on how to keep the Sabbath, try to find any Commandment from God about washing your hands before eating Bread, and if you do that you must say a Prayer after washing, or you have not fulfilled their Commandment!
Jesus said at the Temple just before He was arrested - The Scribes and Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses what so ever they say that do, but do not what they do for they say and do not!! They have unearthed these Seat's of Moses, which the Pharisees instituted, and when they sat in them the said they had the Authority OF MOSES, which they did not! Well I hope you can see that Our Savior was up against a false Religion which was in place for about 300 years before His Birth. The Pharisees had the people jumping through flaming hoops, those were the Commandments no man was able to keep! Be Blessed
 

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Here is a new testament verse and no reference to Levites, imagine that?

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Do you actually think this going to work? Pulling a scripture from a New Testament book that has the theme that we are not under the Law?
No Mosaic Law in the New Covenant....period. This is cool! I feel like I am standing next to Paul as the Judaizers were challenging him on the Mosaic Laws. I am in good company and you are a Judaizer. Do we need to go to Jerusalem again?
 

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lol Philip you know better than that. The teachings of Christ are about honesty. The Law in the Ten Commandment is about bearing false witness against your neighbor....as in a legalistic religion that the witness of a few can get you executed. I was also mentioning the cultural views of trickery that we can find examples of throughout the Old Testament and in modern Middle Eastern cultures.
Like the woman who hatched the plan to steal her neighbors vineyard?
 
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I am sure glad you choose not to dive into Judaism!!! Now if you will entertain what I am about to express you will have a greater understanding about Judaism! Within the Torah, 5 books of Moses, there are 613 Commandments. Some are for children, some for women, some for men, some for Levites among the men, some for the Priest of Aarons line, and some for the High Priest, and if you were to read them all you would find that you keep most of them anyway! Now we have to subtract the Commandments concerning Temple sacrifice's!!!
So if you look at your Bible, and consider the amount of pages that are in the first five books! the Torah, it really is not a large volume!
Judaism is a direct extension of Phariseeism, they are just the same! The Pharisees claimed that God gave Moses the Torah to write down, BUT also gave what they, the Pharisees call the Oral Torah, only transmitted down through the ages by word of mouth, ending up to them. So when we read about Jesus having conflict with the Religious leaders of His Day, He was not only correcting their Traditions, But by His Authority Jesus was tearing down All their Manmade Commandments, Yes, Commandments!!
If you go online you can find the Oral Torah, now written down, and it houses 22 Volume's the size of our whole Bible!
The Pharisees had added too, and diminished from the Mosaic Law, and had created their own Religion. For example, there are about 500 rules and commandments on how to keep the Sabbath, try to find any Commandment from God about washing your hands before eating Bread, and if you do that you must say a Prayer after washing, or you have not fulfilled their Commandment!
Jesus said at the Temple just before He was arrested - The Scribes and Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses what so ever they say that do, but do not what they do for they say and do not!! They have unearthed these Seat's of Moses, which the Pharisees instituted, and when they sat in them the said they had the Authority OF MOSES, which they did not! Well I hope you can see that Our Savior was up against a false Religion which was in place for about 300 years before His Birth. The Pharisees had the people jumping through flaming hoops, those were the Commandments no man was able to keep! Be Blessed
Wow, thanks for this teaching....I had no idea the Pharisees had assumed their authority through Moses to ADD to the law......shame shame! I guess their end is written!
 

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From A Baptist Catechism with commentary,by WR. Downing;
uestion 77. If the Law has not been abrogated, then what is its relevance? The relevance and perpetuity of the Moral Law may be understood by the following considerations:
first, the prologue to the Decalogue sets the historical, redemptive and covenantal context for the Law: “And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage” (Ex.20:1–2). God reveals himself as Israel’s covenant God and Redeemer. Thus, the Law was given to a redeemed covenant people that they might reflect the moral character of the Lord their God, not as a means to salvation or simply as a legalistic document for Israel.
Redemption requires revelation, and revelation contains legislation in both the Old and New Covenants (Rom. 3:19–20; 1 Tim. 1:8–10; 1 Jn. 2:3– 5). This historic giving of the Law in this codified manner must be understood in the greater context of the Abrahamic Covenant (Gen. 12:1–3; Ex. 2:24; Dt. 29:12–13).

Believers in the Gospel economy are likewise to reflect the moral character of God as his redeemed covenant people in Jesus Christ (Heb. 12:14; 1 Pet. 1:14–16; 2:9), who is the true “Seed of Abraham” and the fulfillment of that covenantal promise (Gal. 3:6–26). The Law magnifies the Lord Jesus. His redemptive work fulfilled its demands as to our justification.

We are to reflect the righteousness of the Law as to our sanctification in obedience to him by the grace and Spirit of God (Rom. 8:1–4; 1 Jn. 2:3–5).

Second, the nature, character and self–revelation of God must determine the relevance of the Law—not our own thinking or feelings. God is immutable. The Moral Law is the transcript of his moral self–consistency or absolutely righteous character. This is why the Moral Law and its abiding principles reoccur in the New Testament and have a necessarily close affinity with the Gospel (Matt. 22:37–39; Rom. 7:12, 14; 8:1–4; Gal. 3:24; Tim. 1:5– 11; 6:14–16; Jas. 2:8; 1 Pet. 1:15–16).
 
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From A Baptist Catechism with commentary,by WR. Downing;
uestion 77. If the Law has not been abrogated, then what is its relevance? The relevance and perpetuity of the Moral Law may be understood by the following considerations:
first, the prologue to the Decalogue sets the historical, redemptive and covenantal context for the Law: “And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage” (Ex.20:1–2). God reveals himself as Israel’s covenant God and Redeemer. Thus, the Law was given to a redeemed covenant people that they might reflect the moral character of the Lord their God, not as a means to salvation or simply as a legalistic document for Israel.
Redemption requires revelation, and revelation contains legislation in both the Old and New Covenants (Rom. 3:19–20; 1 Tim. 1:8–10; 1 Jn. 2:3– 5). This historic giving of the Law in this codified manner must be understood in the greater context of the Abrahamic Covenant (Gen. 12:1–3; Ex. 2:24; Dt. 29:12–13).

Believers in the Gospel economy are likewise to reflect the moral character of God as his redeemed covenant people in Jesus Christ (Heb. 12:14; 1 Pet. 1:14–16; 2:9), who is the true “Seed of Abraham” and the fulfillment of that covenantal promise (Gal. 3:6–26). The Law magnifies the Lord Jesus. His redemptive work fulfilled its demands as to our justification.

We are to reflect the righteousness of the Law as to our sanctification in obedience to him by the grace and Spirit of God (Rom. 8:1–4; 1 Jn. 2:3–5).

Second, the nature, character and self–revelation of God must determine the relevance of the Law—not our own thinking or feelings. God is immutable. The Moral Law is the transcript of his moral self–consistency or absolutely righteous character. This is why the Moral Law and its abiding principles reoccur in the New Testament and have a necessarily close affinity with the Gospel (Matt. 22:37–39; Rom. 7:12, 14; 8:1–4; Gal. 3:24; Tim. 1:5– 11; 6:14–16; Jas. 2:8; 1 Pet. 1:15–16).

This is fun! All authority has been given to Christ....in His Covenant there are no Mosaic Laws. Again if you really want to be Jew go for it.
 

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pt2:
Third, There must be a Moral Law for moral beings in God’s created order and moral government. The Moral Law is for rational, morally– responsible beings who will one day stand before God to be judged (Rom.
90
3:19–20). It would be unthinkable for a holy, righteous God to have an unholy and unrighteous people as the glorious result of his bestowal of grace, or that the Divine standard for God’s people should be left to subjective experience or speculation (Rom. 2:14–16; Titus 2:11–14; Heb. 12:14; 1 Tim. 1:5–11; 1 Pet. 1:13–16; 2:9).

Fourth, sanctification is conformity in principle to the moral character of God—a holiness that reflects God’s Law. Gospel sanctification is not legalism, but a gracious and willful conformity to God’s Word by the enabling grace of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:1–4; 2 Cor. 3:6, 17–18; 1 Jn. 2:3–5; 3:22).


Fifth, there is no “antinomian grace.” Grace brings the believer into a principle of conformity to the Law of God (Rom. 8:1–4; 1 Jn. 2:3–5). Although the Law itself does not possess the power to sanctify [the failure of the Old Covenant, Rom. 6:14; 8:3–4], it is our standard for sanctification as it expresses the moral self–consistency or perfect righteousness of God (Jer. 31:31–34; Ezk. 36:25–27; Rom. 8:3–4; Eph. 2:5, 8–10; Heb. 8:1–13).


Sixth, sin, righteousness and love must be defined and understood in terms of Law (Rom. 8:3–4; 13:8–10; 1 Jn. 3:4). “Love” is not the fulfillment of the Law in a temporal sense, but in an interpretive sense. Apart from Law, love remains biblically undefined and stripped of its necessary moral character. The absence or abrogation of the Law is not freedom, but lawlessness (Rom. 13:8–10; Gal. 5:22–23; 1 Tim. 1:5).

Finally, the Moral Law of God is not only reiterated—it is strengthened in the New Testament, which reveals its true spiritual nature (Matt. 5:17–19, 27– 29; 43–44, 48; Rom. 7:12; 1 Tim. 1:5–11; 1 Jn. 3:15). Faith does not render the Law of God void, but rather establishes it (Rom. 3:21–31). As believers, we “died to the law” as an instrument of condemnation. By virtue of our union with Christ and faith in him the Law is established, not abrogated (Rom. 3:21–31; 7:4; Gal. 2:16–21). This “establishment of the Law” by faith is shown in two ways: first, in his active [his holy, blameless life] and passive [his suffering and death] obedience, our Lord vicariously both kept the Law for us and then paid its penalty. Thus, the claims of the Law against us have been fully answered by virtue of our union with Christ. Second, upon the basis of our Lord’s redemptive work, the Holy Spirit enables us to conform to the Law in principle. This is not justifying behavior, but the sanctifying work of the Spirit of grace (Ezk. 36:25–27; Rom. 6:14; 8:1–4; 2 Cor. 3:1–6; Gal. 5:22–23; Heb. 8:1–13).
 
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This is fun! All authority has been given to Christ....in His Covenant there are no Mosaic Laws. Again if you really want to be Jew go for it.
You cannot reply to biblical teaching.Your lack of response shows a total lack of understanding.
 

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Sound like you have started your own religion. What are you going to name it?
 

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pt2:
Third, There must be a Moral Law for moral beings in God’s created order and moral government. The Moral Law is for rational, morally– responsible beings who will one day stand before God to be judged (Rom.
90
3:19–20). It would be unthinkable for a holy, righteous God to have an unholy and unrighteous people as the glorious result of his bestowal of grace, or that the Divine standard for God’s people should be left to subjective experience or speculation (Rom. 2:14–16; Titus 2:11–14; Heb. 12:14; 1 Tim. 1:5–11; 1 Pet. 1:13–16; 2:9).

Fourth, sanctification is conformity in principle to the moral character of God—a holiness that reflects God’s Law. Gospel sanctification is not legalism, but a gracious and willful conformity to God’s Word by the enabling grace of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:1–4; 2 Cor. 3:6, 17–18; 1 Jn. 2:3–5; 3:22).


Fifth, there is no “antinomian grace.” Grace brings the believer into a principle of conformity to the Law of God (Rom. 8:1–4; 1 Jn. 2:3–5). Although the Law itself does not possess the power to sanctify [the failure of the Old Covenant, Rom. 6:14; 8:3–4], it is our standard for sanctification as it expresses the moral self–consistency or perfect righteousness of God (Jer. 31:31–34; Ezk. 36:25–27; Rom. 8:3–4; Eph. 2:5, 8–10; Heb. 8:1–13).


Sixth, sin, righteousness and love must be defined and understood in terms of Law (Rom. 8:3–4; 13:8–10; 1 Jn. 3:4). “Love” is not the fulfillment of the Law in a temporal sense, but in an interpretive sense. Apart from Law, love remains biblically undefined and stripped of its necessary moral character. The absence or abrogation of the Law is not freedom, but lawlessness (Rom. 13:8–10; Gal. 5:22–23; 1 Tim. 1:5).

Finally, the Moral Law of God is not only reiterated—it is strengthened in the New Testament, which reveals its true spiritual nature (Matt. 5:17–19, 27– 29; 43–44, 48; Rom. 7:12; 1 Tim. 1:5–11; 1 Jn. 3:15). Faith does not render the Law of God void, but rather establishes it (Rom. 3:21–31). As believers, we “died to the law” as an instrument of condemnation. By virtue of our union with Christ and faith in him the Law is established, not abrogated (Rom. 3:21–31; 7:4; Gal. 2:16–21). This “establishment of the Law” by faith is shown in two ways: first, in his active [his holy, blameless life] and passive [his suffering and death] obedience, our Lord vicariously both kept the Law for us and then paid its penalty. Thus, the claims of the Law against us have been fully answered by virtue of our union with Christ. Second, upon the basis of our Lord’s redemptive work, the Holy Spirit enables us to conform to the Law in principle. This is not justifying behavior, but the sanctifying work of the Spirit of grace (Ezk. 36:25–27; Rom. 6:14; 8:1–4; 2 Cor. 3:1–6; Gal. 5:22–23; Heb. 8:1–13).
This sounds really carnal....to be spiritually minded and having the mind of Christ there is no condemnation to those who walk after the spirit for they will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
 

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Wow, thanks for this teaching....I had no idea the Pharisees had assumed their authority through Moses to ADD to the law......shame shame! I guess their end is written!

Sorry ! I forgot to mention that the books I mentioned are called the Talmud, If you type that in, you will first get a store that sells them and you can see for yourself the 22 volumes!
And yes they tragically Assumed, for Jesus told them by no means that they would inherit the Kingdom!
 
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I am sure glad you choose not to dive into Judaism!!! Now if you will entertain what I am about to express you will have a greater understanding about Judaism! Within the Torah, 5 books of Moses, there are 613 Commandments. Some are for children, some for women, some for men, some for Levites among the men, some for the Priest of Aarons line, and some for the High Priest, and if you were to read them all you would find that you keep most of them anyway! Now we have to subtract the Commandments concerning Temple sacrifice's!!!
So if you look at your Bible, and consider the amount of pages that are in the first five books! the Torah, it really is not a large volume!
Judaism is a direct extension of Phariseeism, they are just the same! The Pharisees claimed that God gave Moses the Torah to write down, BUT also gave what they, the Pharisees call the Oral Torah, only transmitted down through the ages by word of mouth, ending up to them. So when we read about Jesus having conflict with the Religious leaders of His Day, He was not only correcting their Traditions, But by His Authority Jesus was tearing down All their Manmade Commandments, Yes, Commandments!!
If you go online you can find the Oral Torah, now written down, and it houses 22 Volume's the size of our whole Bible!
The Pharisees had added too, and diminished from the Mosaic Law, and had created their own Religion. For example, there are about 500 rules and commandments on how to keep the Sabbath, try to find any Commandment from God about washing your hands before eating Bread, and if you do that you must say a Prayer after washing, or you have not fulfilled their Commandment!
Jesus said at the Temple just before He was arrested - The Scribes and Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses what so ever they say that do, but do not what they do for they say and do not!! They have unearthed these Seat's of Moses, which the Pharisees instituted, and when they sat in them the said they had the Authority OF MOSES, which they did not! Well I hope you can see that Our Savior was up against a false Religion which was in place for about 300 years before His Birth. The Pharisees had the people jumping through flaming hoops, those were the Commandments no man was able to keep! Be Blessed


Sorry there Truth, I was busy with a Judaizer. You are right.
Luke 11:37-47

“Now when He had spoken, a Pharisee asked Him to have lunch with him; and He went in, and reclined at the table. When the Pharisee saw it, he was surprised that He had not first ceremonially washed before the meal. But the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the platter; but inside of you, you are full of robbery and wickedness. You foolish ones, did not He who made the outside make the inside also? But give that which is within as charity, and then all things are clean for you. “But woe to you Pharisees! For you pay tithe of mint and rue and every kind of garden herb, and yet disregard justice and the love of God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the chief seats in the synagogues and the respectful greetings in the market places. Woe to you! For you are like concealed tombs, and the people who walk over them are unaware of it.” One of the lawyers said to Him in reply, “Teacher, when You say this, You insult us too.” But He said, “Woe to you lawyers as well! For you weigh men down with burdens hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens with one of your fingers. Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets, and it was your fathers who killed them.”
 

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Sorry there Truth, I was busy with a Judaizer. You are right.
Luke 11:37-47

“Now when He had spoken, a Pharisee asked Him to have lunch with him; and He went in, and reclined at the table. When the Pharisee saw it, he was surprised that He had not first ceremonially washed before the meal. But the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the platter; but inside of you, you are full of robbery and wickedness. You foolish ones, did not He who made the outside make the inside also? But give that which is within as charity, and then all things are clean for you. “But woe to you Pharisees! For you pay tithe of mint and rue and every kind of garden herb, and yet disregard justice and the love of God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the chief seats in the synagogues and the respectful greetings in the market places. Woe to you! For you are like concealed tombs, and the people who walk over them are unaware of it.” One of the lawyers said to Him in reply, “Teacher, when You say this, You insult us too.” But He said, “Woe to you lawyers as well! For you weigh men down with burdens hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens with one of your fingers. Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets, and it was your fathers who killed them.”

If you look at the times that Jesus invoked a Miracle, especially when these religious leaders were present, it was God doing the Miracle to show that Jesus was the Authority over their Manmade Commandments!
 

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Millions call it biblical Christianity.You cannot read or comprehend the biblical truth offered. You mock what you do not know.

No I think that name it is taken. You might consider Judaism, but they would probably kick you out, because you really don't want to follow the 613 Mosaic Laws. You just talk about them because it make you feel holy.
 

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No I think that name it is taken. You might consider Judaism, but they would probably kick you out, because you really don't want to follow the 613 Mosaic Laws. You just talk about them because it make you feel holy.
You cannot respond to what I offered. You cannot. I understand.
 

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If you look at the times that Jesus invoked a Miracle, especially when these religious leaders were present, it was God doing the Miracle to show that Jesus was the Authority over their Manmade Commandments!

I invite you to talk more about that. Where does all power come from? We are only going to know so much about that because of our limitations of comprehending the exactness of God and Heaven.