Judaizers! They Live!!!! They walk among us!!!

Anthony D'Arienzo · Sep 11, 2019

Grailhunter said:
Where do I start, their is so much you said here that is wrong. Judaizer were those that attempt to push the Mosaic Law and customs on Christianity. Paul struggled against them throughout his ministry. Paul was firm regarding no Mosaic Law in Christianity.
This issue was why the council of Jerusalem was called. I understand the concept of attacking Pagans.

This might help you and others

The Judaizing teachers were a group of Jewish Christians who taught that converts to Christianity must first be circumcised (i.e. become Jewish through the ritual of a proselyte). Although such requirements may have made Christianity a much less appealing religious choice for some gentiles, the evidence afforded in Paul's letter to the Galatians exhibits that a significant number of the Galatian gentile converts appear readily disposed to adopt these nomistic requirements; indeed, Paul strenuously labors throughout the letter (cf. Gal 5:4; 4:21; 5:2,3) to dissuade them from doing so.

Judaizers - Wikipedia

Grailhunter · Sep 11, 2019

Anthony D'Arienzo said:
This might help you and others

The Judaizing teachers were a group of Jewish Christians who taught that converts to Christianity must first be circumcised (i.e. become Jewish through the ritual of a proselyte). Although such requirements may have made Christianity a much less appealing religious choice for some gentiles, the evidence afforded in Paul's letter to the Galatians exhibits that a significant number of the Galatian gentile converts appear readily disposed to adopt these nomistic requirements; indeed, Paul strenuously labors throughout the letter (cf. Gal 5:4; 4:21; 5:2,3) to dissuade them from doing so.

Judaizers - Wikipedia

Thanks Anthony,
Circumcision was seen as the ritual for entry into the Old Covenant with God and for non-Jews it was the ritual to convert to Judaism. So as Paul said, if you are circumcised you must keep the whole Law, all 613 Mosaic Laws. The Judaizers were in fact a group of Jewish Christians that wanted all Christians to be Jewish-Christians through circumcision. As Paul said a few dozen times, we are not under the Law, Christians do not follow the Law and those that do follow them and preach that others should follow them....as he said, And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Some call this a curse, but what it actually is, is a matter of fact. What Paul is saying is if you receive the ritual of circumcision, you have left the New Covenant with God and are then in the Old Covenant with God and are subject to the 613 Mosaic Laws. The major point was that the Judaizers wanted Christians to keep the Mosaic Law, and Paul's Major point was that Christians do not keep the Mosaic Law. His biggest challenge was against those that harassed him and insisted that Christians should follow the 613 Laws of Moses. And this was the reason for the Council in Jerusalem. So as a review....
2ND Corinthians 3:7-18 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory. Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

Galatians 3:1-5 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:24-26 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Romans 4:15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there violation.

Romans 5:13 For until the Law sin was in the world; sin is not imputed when there is no Law.

This one is important but long, basically Romans chapter 6. “What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace might increase? May it never be! How shall we who died in sin still live in it? Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in the newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, that our body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin…….10 & 11 For the death that He died, He did to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Jesus Christ. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the law, but under grace 18 Being then free from sin, you become the servants of righteousness.

Romans 7:6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 7:8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.

Romans 8:1-2 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath you free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Words mean things! lol

Hebrews 10:4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

1st Cor. 9:20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, through not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law;

2nd Cor. 3:3 being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of human hearts.

Galatians..Oh my gosh!

Galatians 4:21 “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?”

Galatians 5:3&4 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Galatians 3:12 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us.

Hebrews 10:1 For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never by the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near.

Act 13:38-39 Paul said, Therefore let it be known to you brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

Thanks Anthony I am sure everyone needed a review.

Waiting on him · Sep 11, 2019

Grailhunter said:
2ND Corinthians 3:7-18 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

People need to keep in mind only ten were engraved on stone

Grailhunter · Sep 11, 2019

Waiting on him said:
People need to keep in mind only ten were engraved on stone

Well you know, that may be a fact. But that is not what the Jews believe and you may be mistaken as to what laws God told Moses, yes Moses, to write on the Tablets of the Testimony. This has been an issue for centuries and topic of a lot of discussion.

Waiting on him · Sep 11, 2019

Grailhunter said:
Well you know, that may be a fact. But that is not what the Jews believe and you may be mistaken as to what laws God told Moses, yes Moses, to write on the Tablets of the Testimony. This has been an issue for centuries and topic of a lot of discussion.

Bottom line, He no longer writes on stone. He writes on flesh tablets the heart. This means I need no man telling me what His law is, and in my opinion if they are then their not trying to please Christ, but man!

Grailhunter · Sep 11, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Bottom line, He no longer writes on stone. He writes on flesh tablets the heart. This means I need no man telling me what His law is, and in my opinion if they are then their not trying to please Christ, but man!

No, I am telling the truth, and the scriptures will back me up. But depending on what Laws you are talking about, Christ'a Laws are written on our hearts.

Waiting on him · Sep 11, 2019

Grailhunter said:
No, I am telling the truth, and the scriptures will back me up. But depending on what Laws you are talking about, Christ'a Laws are written on our hearts.

Couldn’t agree more!

justbyfaith · Sep 11, 2019

We are indeed obedient to the spirit of the law as believing, born again Christians. The law is written on our hearts and in our minds, as even a few have said here; and this is substantiated by Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16,

Also the love of the Lord is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5); and this love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6), being not in word or in tongue only but in deed and in truth (1 John 3:17-18). Therefore we are governed by the law on the inside.

That being said, we can no longer be condemned by the law from the outside. We are forgiven of all of our sins. We are therefore no longer under the law but under grace (Romans 6:14). We are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19). And we are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6).

Since we saw before that the law governs us from the inside, these things do not mean that we no longer have any relationship to the law. We are governed by its precepts. However, there is no longer any condemnation if we were to violate any of these precepts. We are forgiven of past, present, and future sin (Romans 4:8, Romans 8:37-38, Hebrews 9:12). But of course this is predicated on being born again; which precludes that I have a desire to be obedeint to the Lord, even His commandments.

Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

For those who are spiritually-minded are subject in their minds to the law of the Lord (Romans 8:7); and the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in them (Romans 8:4).

These things being said, we are also not redeemed in any fashion through law-keeping.

We are redeemed solely by the blood of the Lamb; and this results in obedience to the Lord; because the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7); so that we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9); where "sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). However, it is not the letter anymore that binds us; but we are supernaturally obedient to the spirit of the law (Romans 7:6).

He is "able to keep you from falling" and to "present you faultless" (Jude 1:24); so that you will "never fall" (2 Peter 1:10) because "there is none occasion of stumbling in you." (1 John 2:10).

Therefore, there is a certain amount of holiness that will develop in the life of anyone who is truly born again; for it is written,

1Pe 1:13, Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14, As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15, But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16, Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Anthony D'Arienzo · Sep 11, 2019

Grailhunter,

Thanks Anthony I am sure everyone needed a review.

Yes here is a review for any obedient Christian

Redemption requires revelation, and revelation contains legislation in both the Old and New Covenants (Rom. 3:19–20; 1 Tim. 1:8–10; 1 Jn. 2:3– 5). This historic giving of the Law in this codified manner must be understood in the greater context of the Abrahamic Covenant (Gen. 12:1–3; Ex. 2:24; Dt. 29:12–13).

Believers in the Gospel economy are likewise to reflect the moral character of God as his redeemed covenant people in Jesus Christ (Heb. 12:14; 1 Pet. 1:14–16; 2:9), who is the true “Seed of Abraham” and the fulfillment of that covenantal promise (Gal. 3:6–26). The Law magnifies the Lord Jesus. His redemptive work fulfilled its demands as to our justification.

We are to reflect the righteousness of the Law as to our sanctification in obedience to him by the grace and Spirit of God (Rom. 8:1–4; 1 Jn. 2:3–5).

Second, the nature, character and self–revelation of God must determine the relevance of the Law—not our own thinking or feelings. God is immutable. The Moral Law is the transcript of his moral self–consistency or absolutely righteous character. This is why the Moral Law and its abiding principles reoccur in the New Testament and have a necessarily close affinity with the Gospel (Matt. 22:37–39; Rom. 7:12, 14; 8:1–4; Gal. 3:24; Tim. 1:5– 11; 6:14–16; Jas. 2:8; 1 Pet. 1:15–16).
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Third, There must be a Moral Law for moral beings in God’s created order and moral government. The Moral Law is for rational, morally– responsible beings who will one day stand before God to be judged (Rom.
90
3:19–20). It would be unthinkable for a holy, righteous God to have an unholy and unrighteous people as the glorious result of his bestowal of grace, or that the Divine standard for God’s people should be left to subjective experience or speculation (Rom. 2:14–16; Titus 2:11–14; Heb. 12:14; 1 Tim. 1:5–11; 1 Pet. 1:13–16; 2:9).

Fourth, sanctification is conformity in principle to the moral character of God—a holiness that reflects God’s Law. Gospel sanctification is not legalism, but a gracious and willful conformity to God’s Word by the enabling grace of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:1–4; 2 Cor. 3:6, 17–18; 1 Jn. 2:3–5; 3:22).

Fifth, there is no “antinomian grace.” Grace brings the believer into a principle of conformity to the Law of God (Rom. 8:1–4; 1 Jn. 2:3–5). Although the Law itself does not possess the power to sanctify [the failure of the Old Covenant, Rom. 6:14; 8:3–4], it is our standard for sanctification as it expresses the moral self–consistency or perfect righteousness of God (Jer. 31:31–34; Ezk. 36:25–27; Rom. 8:3–4; Eph. 2:5, 8–10; Heb. 8:1–13).

Sixth, sin, righteousness and love must be defined and understood in terms of Law (Rom. 8:3–4; 13:8–10; 1 Jn. 3:4). “Love” is not the fulfillment of the Law in a temporal sense, but in an interpretive sense. Apart from Law, love remains biblically undefined and stripped of its necessary moral character. The absence or abrogation of the Law is not freedom, but lawlessness (Rom. 13:8–10; Gal. 5:22–23; 1 Tim. 1:5).

Finally, the Moral Law of God is not only reiterated—it is strengthened in the New Testament, which reveals its true spiritual nature (Matt. 5:17–19, 27– 29; 43–44, 48; Rom. 7:12; 1 Tim. 1:5–11; 1 Jn. 3:15). Faith does not render the Law of God void, but rather establishes it (Rom. 3:21–31). As believers, we “died to the law” as an instrument of condemnation. By virtue of our union with Christ and faith in him the Law is established, not abrogated (Rom. 3:21–31; 7:4; Gal. 2:16–21). This “establishment of the Law” by faith is shown in two ways: first, in his active [his holy, blameless life] and passive [his suffering and death] obedience, our Lord vicariously both kept the Law for us and then paid its penalty. Thus, the claims of the Law against us have been fully answered by virtue of our union with Christ. Second, upon the basis of our Lord’s redemptive work, the Holy Spirit enables us to conform to the Law in principle. This is not justifying behavior, but the sanctifying work of the Spirit of grace (Ezk. 36:25–27; Rom. 6:14; 8:1–4; 2 Cor. 3:1–6; Gal. 5:22–23; Heb. 8:1–13).

Grailhunter · Sep 11, 2019

Anthony D'Arienzo said:
Grailhunter,

Yes here is a review for any obedient Christian

Redemption requires revelation, and revelation contains legislation in both the Old and New Covenants (Rom. 3:19–20; 1 Tim. 1:8–10; 1 Jn. 2:3– 5). This historic giving of the Law in this codified manner must be understood in the greater context of the Abrahamic Covenant (Gen. 12:1–3; Ex. 2:24; Dt. 29:12–13).

Believers in the Gospel economy are likewise to reflect the moral character of God as his redeemed covenant people in Jesus Christ (Heb. 12:14; 1 Pet. 1:14–16; 2:9), who is the true “Seed of Abraham” and the fulfillment of that covenantal promise (Gal. 3:6–26). The Law magnifies the Lord Jesus. His redemptive work fulfilled its demands as to our justification.

We are to reflect the righteousness of the Law as to our sanctification in obedience to him by the grace and Spirit of God (Rom. 8:1–4; 1 Jn. 2:3–5).

Second, the nature, character and self–revelation of God must determine the relevance of the Law—not our own thinking or feelings. God is immutable. The Moral Law is the transcript of his moral self–consistency or absolutely righteous character. This is why the Moral Law and its abiding principles reoccur in the New Testament and have a necessarily close affinity with the Gospel (Matt. 22:37–39; Rom. 7:12, 14; 8:1–4; Gal. 3:24; Tim. 1:5– 11; 6:14–16; Jas. 2:8; 1 Pet. 1:15–16).
pt2:
Third, There must be a Moral Law for moral beings in God’s created order and moral government. The Moral Law is for rational, morally– responsible beings who will one day stand before God to be judged (Rom.
90
3:19–20). It would be unthinkable for a holy, righteous God to have an unholy and unrighteous people as the glorious result of his bestowal of grace, or that the Divine standard for God’s people should be left to subjective experience or speculation (Rom. 2:14–16; Titus 2:11–14; Heb. 12:14; 1 Tim. 1:5–11; 1 Pet. 1:13–16; 2:9).

Fourth, sanctification is conformity in principle to the moral character of God—a holiness that reflects God’s Law. Gospel sanctification is not legalism, but a gracious and willful conformity to God’s Word by the enabling grace of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:1–4; 2 Cor. 3:6, 17–18; 1 Jn. 2:3–5; 3:22).

Fifth, there is no “antinomian grace.” Grace brings the believer into a principle of conformity to the Law of God (Rom. 8:1–4; 1 Jn. 2:3–5). Although the Law itself does not possess the power to sanctify [the failure of the Old Covenant, Rom. 6:14; 8:3–4], it is our standard for sanctification as it expresses the moral self–consistency or perfect righteousness of God (Jer. 31:31–34; Ezk. 36:25–27; Rom. 8:3–4; Eph. 2:5, 8–10; Heb. 8:1–13).

Sixth, sin, righteousness and love must be defined and understood in terms of Law (Rom. 8:3–4; 13:8–10; 1 Jn. 3:4). “Love” is not the fulfillment of the Law in a temporal sense, but in an interpretive sense. Apart from Law, love remains biblically undefined and stripped of its necessary moral character. The absence or abrogation of the Law is not freedom, but lawlessness (Rom. 13:8–10; Gal. 5:22–23; 1 Tim. 1:5).

Finally, the Moral Law of God is not only reiterated—it is strengthened in the New Testament, which reveals its true spiritual nature (Matt. 5:17–19, 27– 29; 43–44, 48; Rom. 7:12; 1 Tim. 1:5–11; 1 Jn. 3:15). Faith does not render the Law of God void, but rather establishes it (Rom. 3:21–31). As believers, we “died to the law” as an instrument of condemnation. By virtue of our union with Christ and faith in him the Law is established, not abrogated (Rom. 3:21–31; 7:4; Gal. 2:16–21). This “establishment of the Law” by faith is shown in two ways: first, in his active [his holy, blameless life] and passive [his suffering and death] obedience, our Lord vicariously both kept the Law for us and then paid its penalty. Thus, the claims of the Law against us have been fully answered by virtue of our union with Christ. Second, upon the basis of our Lord’s redemptive work, the Holy Spirit enables us to conform to the Law in principle. This is not justifying behavior, but the sanctifying work of the Spirit of grace (Ezk. 36:25–27; Rom. 6:14; 8:1–4; 2 Cor. 3:1–6; Gal. 5:22–23; Heb. 8:1–13).

The moral content of the Mosaic Law is evident in itself. Mosaic Laws prescribed regulations for polygamy and selling your daughter into concubinage and taking a concubine. Murdering women that had been raped. Go over and kill all the breaths and do not forget the little ones. Oh...but keep the virgins for yourself. If your bride turns out not to be virgin or does not bleed on your wedding night, kill her and leave her on her father's door step, ....then there is ... you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce. Purchase a Hebrew slave in accordance with the prescribed laws

Now whatever "morals" you can glean from that....Christ has a better set of morals. Whatever spirit of these morals that you want to bring into Christianity is inferior to the spirit of Christ and His teaching. Whatever wisdom you can pull from the Old Testament, Christ has more. Any attempt at this is in defiance of the New Covenant. Literally speaking against the New Testament, a defilement of the Gospels, and as a Judaizer an enemy of the Apostle Paul and Christ himself. There is no teaching or Law in the Old Testament that can hold a candle to the teachings and morals of Christ. No Old Testament Laws in the New Covenant. If you want to be a jew that bad, be a Jew, there is away to do that.

Anthony D'Arienzo · Sep 11, 2019

The 10 commandments are still in effect.

My links did not mention mosaic laws did they?

Grailhunter · Sep 11, 2019

Anthony D'Arienzo said:
The 10 commandments are still in effect.

My links did not mention mosaic laws did they?

No Old Testament Law applies to Christians...Christ taught a better set of laws, teachings, and beliefs. And...and you are probably thinking of the wrong set of ten laws anyway.

justbyfaith · Sep 11, 2019

Grailhunter said:
If your bride turns out not to be virgin or does not bleed on your wedding night, kill her and leave her on her father's door step,

That is outrageous! I think I need chapter and verse for that one...

justbyfaith · Sep 11, 2019

Grailhunter said:
No Old Testament Law applies to Christians...Christ taught a better set of laws, teachings, and beliefs.

Within that teaching of a better set of laws (the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew chapters 5-7), Christ spoke of the fact that none of the OT laws would pass out of existence.

Mat 5:17, Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19, Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20, For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Grailhunter · Sep 12, 2019

justbyfaith said:
That is outrageous! I think I need chapter and verse for that one...

That is so funny! Welcome to my life! People go on and on about the Mosaic Law and they do not know it. The truth is, you would learn a whole new appreciation for what Christ did, if you understand the difficulty and cruelty of the Mosaic Law. lol When Christ said, My yoke is easy and my burden is light. He said a mouthful. A thorough and in depth study of the Mosaic Law and Judaic culture produces a whole new appreciation for Christianity....If you were forced to live a few years in their world, when you came back and someone said that Christians should obey the Mosaic Law, you would punch them in nose!

Grailhunter · Sep 12, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Within that teaching of a better set of laws (the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew chapters 5-7), Christ spoke of the fact that none of the OT laws would pass out of existence.

Mat 5:17, Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19, Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20, For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

You are absolutely right. The Old Covenant with God and the Mosaic Laws are totally alive and well, not changed, for the Jews, they are still in the Old Covenant and the Mosaic Laws apply. The Old Covenant was still in effect during Christ's ministry, the New Covenant was "ratified" upon His death on the cross. Many times Christ is speaking of Judaism and the Old Covenant with the Jews during His ministry and that confuses people. Christ made a New Covenant with us, "not like the Old Covenant" and in that Covenant the Mosaic Laws do not apply.

JohnPaul · Sep 12, 2019

Waiting on him said:
People need to keep in mind only ten were engraved on stone

There were more than 10 Commandments? What are the others?

Waiting on him · Sep 12, 2019

JohnPaul said:
There were more than 10 Commandments? What are the others?

They were things like don’t move your neighbors property line don’t have sex with his livestock, don’t build steps leading to the temple or people will see your under carriage as you walk up them. They go on an on

Anthony D'Arienzo · Sep 12, 2019

Grailhunter said:
You are absolutely right. The Old Covenant with God and the Mosaic Laws are totally alive and well, not changed, for the Jews, they are still in the Old Covenant and the Mosaic Laws apply. The Old Covenant was still in effect during Christ's ministry, the New Covenant was "ratified" upon His death on the cross. Many times Christ is speaking of Judaism and the Old Covenant with the Jews during His ministry and that confuses people. Christ made a New Covenant with us, "not like the Old Covenant" and in that Covenant the Mosaic Laws do not apply.

You again miss the truth of scripture by a mile.

Grailhunter · Sep 12, 2019

JohnPaul said:
There were more than 10 Commandments? What are the others?

Good Morning JohnPaul
The ten commandments you are thinking of were never directly called the Ten Commandments. But of course the story is not that simple. And more importantly the ones you are thinking of are a summary of the Laws that are more detailed in the Mosaic Law. But there is no way you can separate them from the Mosaic Law.

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