This is rich, coming from someone who has no clue about the Ten Commandments, but posts lengthy posts all bolded to annoy everyone, so that some might think he knows what he is talking about.
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This is rich, coming from someone who has no clue about the Ten Commandments, but posts lengthy posts all bolded to annoy everyone, so that some might think he knows what he is talking about.
Why is it an *unfortunate translation* when the Lord Jesus Christ Himself called them "the commandments" and listed six of them? Are you wiser than Christ, or do you prefer the doctrines of men?
Now please note carefully what is stated below in Scripture and then RETRACT what you said:
THE WORDS OF CHRIST
Thou knowest the commandments*, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. (Mk 10:19)
*Strong's Concordance
entolé: an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Definition: an injunction, order, command
Usage: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1785: ἐντολή
b. ethically; α. used of the commandments of the Mosaic law: ἡ ἐντολή τοῦ Θεοῦ, what God prescribes in the law of Moses, Matthew 15:3 (and R G in Matthew 15:6); Mark 7:8f; especially of particular precepts of this law as distinguished from ὁ νόμος (the law) their body or sum: Matthew 22:36, 38; Mark 10:5; Mark 12:28ff;Romans 7:8-13; Romans 13:9; Ephesians 6:2; Hebrews 9:19; κατά τήν ἐντολήν, according to the precept of the law, Luke 23:56; plural, Matthew 4:19); ; Mark 10:19; (Luke 18:20); τηρεῖν τάς ἐντολάς, Matthew 19:17;πορεύεσθαι ἐν ταῖς ἐντολαῖς, Luke 1:6; ὁ νόμος τῶνἐντολῶν, the law containing the precepts, Ephesians 2:15 (see δόγμα, 2). β. of the precepts of Jewish tradition: ἐντολαί ἀνθρώπων, Titus 1:14. γ. universally, of the commandments of God, especially as promulgated in the Christian religion: 1 John 3:23; 1 John 4:21; 1 John 5:3; ἐντολήν διδόναι, 1 John 3:23;ἐντολήν ἔχειν, ἵνα, 1 John 4:21; ἐντολήν λαβεῖνπαρά τοῦ πατρός, 2 John 1:4; τήρησις ἐντολῶνΘεοῦ, 1 Corinthians 7:19; τηρεῖν τάς ἐντολάς αὐτοῦ, 1 John 2:3; 1 John 3:22, 24; 1 John 5:2 (here L T Tr WHποιῶμεν), 3; or τοῦ Θεοῦ, Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; ποιεῖν τάς ἐντολάς αὐτοῦ, Revelation 22:14 RG; περιπατεῖν κατά τάς ἐντολάς αὐτοῦ, 2 John 1:6; of those things which God commanded to be done by Christ, John 15:1
Why is it an *unfortunate translation* when the Lord Jesus Christ Himself called them "the commandments" and listed six of them? Are you wiser than Christ, or do you prefer the doctrines of men?
Now please note carefully what is stated below in Scripture and then RETRACT what you said:
THE WORDS OF CHRIST
Thou knowest the commandments*, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. (Mk 10:19)
*Strong's Concordance
entolé: an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Definition: an injunction, order, command
Usage: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1785: ἐντολή
b. ethically; α. used of the commandments of the Mosaic law: ἡ ἐντολή τοῦ Θεοῦ, what God prescribes in the law of Moses, Matthew 15:3 (and R G in Matthew 15:6); Mark 7:8f; especially of particular precepts of this law as distinguished from ὁ νόμος (the law) their body or sum: Matthew 22:36, 38; Mark 10:5; Mark 12:28ff;Romans 7:8-13; Romans 13:9; Ephesians 6:2; Hebrews 9:19; κατά τήν ἐντολήν, according to the precept of the law, Luke 23:56; plural, Matthew 4:19); ; Mark 10:19; (Luke 18:20); τηρεῖν τάς ἐντολάς, Matthew 19:17;πορεύεσθαι ἐν ταῖς ἐντολαῖς, Luke 1:6; ὁ νόμος τῶνἐντολῶν, the law containing the precepts, Ephesians 2:15 (see δόγμα, 2). β. of the precepts of Jewish tradition: ἐντολαί ἀνθρώπων, Titus 1:14. γ. universally, of the commandments of God, especially as promulgated in the Christian religion: 1 John 3:23; 1 John 4:21; 1 John 5:3; ἐντολήν διδόναι, 1 John 3:23;ἐντολήν ἔχειν, ἵνα, 1 John 4:21; ἐντολήν λαβεῖνπαρά τοῦ πατρός, 2 John 1:4; τήρησις ἐντολῶνΘεοῦ, 1 Corinthians 7:19; τηρεῖν τάς ἐντολάς αὐτοῦ, 1 John 2:3; 1 John 3:22, 24; 1 John 5:2 (here L T Tr WHποιῶμεν), 3; or τοῦ Θεοῦ, Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; ποιεῖν τάς ἐντολάς αὐτοῦ, Revelation 22:14 RG; περιπατεῖν κατά τάς ἐντολάς αὐτοῦ, 2 John 1:6; of those things which God commanded to be done by Christ, John 15:1
What a silly question.. You have indulged in the logical fallacy known as the false dichotomy.What *Oral Torah*? Are you agreeing with the Talmudists or are you agreeing with Christ?
The Golden Rule is also common to many religions. Golden Rule - Wikipedia
No one said they were not commandments; but to say there are "Ten Commandments" is misleading since there's a lot more than ten. Got it?Why is it an *unfortunate translation* when the Lord Jesus Christ Himself called them "the commandments" and listed six of them? Are you wiser than Christ, or do you prefer the doctrines of men?
Now please note carefully what is stated below in Scripture and then RETRACT what you said:
THE WORDS OF CHRIST
Thou knowest the commandments*, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. (Mk 10:19)
*Strong's Concordance
entolé: an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Definition: an injunction, order, command
Usage: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1785: ἐντολή
b. ethically; α. used of the commandments of the Mosaic law: ἡ ἐντολή τοῦ Θεοῦ, what God prescribes in the law of Moses, Matthew 15:3 (and R G in Matthew 15:6); Mark 7:8f; especially of particular precepts of this law as distinguished from ὁ νόμος (the law) their body or sum: Matthew 22:36, 38; Mark 10:5; Mark 12:28ff;Romans 7:8-13; Romans 13:9; Ephesians 6:2; Hebrews 9:19; κατά τήν ἐντολήν, according to the precept of the law, Luke 23:56; plural, Matthew 4:19); ; Mark 10:19; (Luke 18:20); τηρεῖν τάς ἐντολάς, Matthew 19:17;πορεύεσθαι ἐν ταῖς ἐντολαῖς, Luke 1:6; ὁ νόμος τῶνἐντολῶν, the law containing the precepts, Ephesians 2:15 (see δόγμα, 2). β. of the precepts of Jewish tradition: ἐντολαί ἀνθρώπων, Titus 1:14. γ. universally, of the commandments of God, especially as promulgated in the Christian religion: 1 John 3:23; 1 John 4:21; 1 John 5:3; ἐντολήν διδόναι, 1 John 3:23;ἐντολήν ἔχειν, ἵνα, 1 John 4:21; ἐντολήν λαβεῖνπαρά τοῦ πατρός, 2 John 1:4; τήρησις ἐντολῶνΘεοῦ, 1 Corinthians 7:19; τηρεῖν τάς ἐντολάς αὐτοῦ, 1 John 2:3; 1 John 3:22, 24; 1 John 5:2 (here L T Tr WHποιῶμεν), 3; or τοῦ Θεοῦ, Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; ποιεῖν τάς ἐντολάς αὐτοῦ, Revelation 22:14 RG; περιπατεῖν κατά τάς ἐντολάς αὐτοῦ, 2 John 1:6; of those things which God commanded to be done by Christ, John 15:1
I don't see much of a difference. What I see is that God can reveal some things to all people on the earth. The Gospel has been preached to everyone and continues to be preached.Actually, in other religions it is a derivative of the golden rule that accentuates the negative; wherein the golden rule of Christianity accentuates the positive.
In other religions: "Do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you" i.e. don't hit someone in the face.
Christianity: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." i.e. give of your bread to the poor.
The point being that the gospel is distinctly different from every other religion in the world.I don't see much of a difference. What I see is that God can reveal some things to all people on the earth. The Gospel has been preached to everyone and continues to be preached.
Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Actually, in other religions it is a derivative of the golden rule that accentuates the negative; wherein the golden rule of Christianity accentuates the positive.
In other religions: "Do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you" i.e. don't hit someone in the face.
Christianity: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." i.e. give of your bread to the poor.
It can be found in its negative form from something said by Rabbi Hillel the Elder -- the great grandfather of Gamaliel Paul says was his teacher.Christianity: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
JBF I can always count on you to bring up good points. Several time in the Gospels, even in other books, they reference things that seem to come from the Old Testament. But if you look in your study Bible they do not not have an Old Testament reference. Not that the Golden Rule was not written somewhere but the point is that somethings mentioned in the New Testament probably came from books / manuscripts lost. Maybe one of these days we will find them in one of Qumran caves. Thoughts?
It can be found in its negative form from something said by Rabbi Hillel the Elder -- the great grandfather of Gamaliel Paul says was his teacher.
Rabbi Hillel Quotes on Judaism & Israel
Once there was a gentile who came before Shammai, and said to him: "Convert me on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot. Shammai pushed him aside with the measuring stick he was holding. The same fellow came before Hillel, and Hillel converted him, saying: That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it." - Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a
There was a lot of material in the oral form. The Pharisees were expecting the exile and prepared for it by setting up the synagogue system and by gradually committing much of the oral tradition to written form. Some stuff got written down in the New Testament before the Jews wrote it down themselves. They were worried they might not be able to keep passing things down orally. The Talmud can be confusing at first since they often recorded debates; so you needed to know who was who.Again that is a good point. How many Old Testament stories, traditions, scriptures, do you think existed in Christ's time and thereafter as oral traditions? Or writings that made it through the Persian / Greek era and were held as sacred? Your thought on the matter?
I think that as the Messiah of Israel, Jesus had superior moral teaching to that of the OT law.Christianity: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
JBF I can always count on you to bring up good points. Several time in the Gospels, even in other books, they reference things that seem to come from the Old Testament. But if you look in your study Bible they do not not have an Old Testament reference. Not that the Golden Rule was not written somewhere but the point is that somethings mentioned in the New Testament probably came from books / manuscripts lost. Maybe one of these days we will find them in one of the Qumran caves. Thoughts?
At the very least, a minister of the gospel is to be the husband of one wife.
Which would exclude ministers from the benefits of multiple wives in the mormon celestial heaven.
(Because I remember you being sympathetic to mormon doctrine, @Grailhunter).
I will only say that doctrine is important...1 Timothy 4:16.If you are referencing Post #33, that was about the Old Testament.
Christian do have one wife.
And Mormons have the right to believe what they want, and so do you and I.
I fellowship with many Christians.....even you. lol That does not mean I believe what they believe.
The oral may mean that which spoken, but really what is necessary is that which is spoken by God. A person can memorize the written Bible and then recite it aloud without really knowing the Word of God. I suspect that Jews who really loved God understood that in their hearts. Christians who worship too closely the literal written words of scripture may at times find themselves in trouble with God. This will explain definitely any apparent discrepancies in that which is written, when it is only written on paper.What a silly question.. You have indulged in the logical fallacy known as the false dichotomy.
I mean the oral wisdom that Paul wrote about:
Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
You have the written Torah. That is all most Christians have. That is all some Jews had when the prophet wrote:
Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
You might be surprised to discover that the New Testament quotes it at times.
I will only say that doctrine is important...1 Timothy 4:16.
So, if you have the wrong doctrines in your mind and heart, they will not have the same effect as sound doctrine in the mind and heart...salvation!