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No, that's wrong. We are apes because genetically, we and chimpanzees are more closely related to each other than either species is related to any other apes. And we know this works, because we can test it with organisms of known descent.
That does not make us apes. A classification system does not change any characteristics and evolutionists have been known to ignore characteristics which do not fit in their system of classification. Komodo Dragon Genome Bites Evolution Cladistics has been and still is somewhat controversial. It has been challenged as using circular reasoning and subjective judgments. When evolutionary biologists ignore criticism, it doesn't tend to give one confidence that they know what they are talking about.

It is precisely as I stated. Would you like to see how I know?
No. Not interested in "just-so-stories".



In biology, no one refers to "lower animals" or "higher animals."
Perhaps not today but there are still basic assumptions built into the whole of evolutionary thought that reflect the originators prejudices of "higher" and "lower" creatures. Eugenicists and genocidal maniacs latched on to evolution as a justification for their depravity. Examine the life of passionate evolutionist (and equally passionate eugenicist), Julian Huxley, as just one example. The theory of evolution erodes the unique status of humans by making them into mere animals. It has led, and will lead, to more and more holocausts.



He's not even a geneticist, much less a molecular geneticist. He has bachelors and master's degrees in forestry, and a PhD in tree physiology. No wonder his article couldn't cite even one thing in molecular biology that contradicts evolution. Perhaps you linked me to the wrong site?
Yes, sorry, that was not the article I was intending--can't find it now. But here is an article by another organization comprised of scientists who oppose the theory of evolution. Some Real Scientists Reject Evolution
 

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No, that's wrong. We are apes because genetically, we and chimpanzees are more closely related to each other than either species is related to any other apes. And we know this works, because we can test it with organisms of known descent.

That does not make us apes.

Those facts do show that we are apes. If you focus on what our bodies are, you lose sight of what's important. The key is that we are not only apes. That should be enough for you. Trust God; He did it the right way.

A classification system does not change any characteristics

You have it backwards. Characteristics set the classification.

and evolutionists have been known to ignore characteristics which do not fit in their system of classification.

What characterisitics do you think humans have that don't fit into ape classification?



Your source wasn't entirely honest with you about the results of sequencing the Komodo dragon genome. Turns out, it was closest to... other monitor lizards. But it had a few mutations that gave it a more robust repspiratory capability, and improved sense of smell. But it's still a monitor lizard, albeit a big one.

Lind A et al
Nat Ecol Evol. 2019 Aug;3(8):1241-1252

Genome of the Komodo dragon reveals adaptations in the cardiovascular and chemosensory systems of monitor lizards.
Abstract
Monitor lizards are unique among ectothermic reptiles in that they have high aerobic capacity and distinctive cardiovascular physiology resembling that of endothermic mammals. Here, we sequence the genome of the Komodo dragon Varanus komodoensis, the largest extant monitor lizard, and generate a high-resolution de novo chromosome-assigned genome assembly for V. komodoensis using a hybrid approach of long-range sequencing and single-molecule optical mapping. Comparing the genome of V. komodoensis with those of related species, we find evidence of positive selection in pathways related to energy metabolism, cardiovascular homoeostasis, and haemostasis. We also show species-specific expansions of a chemoreceptor gene family related to pheromone and kairomone sensing in V. komodoensis and other lizard lineages. Together, these evolutionary signatures of adaptation reveal the genetic underpinnings of the unique Komodo dragon sensory and cardiovascular systems, and suggest that selective pressure altered haemostasis genes to help Komodo dragons evade the anticoagulant effects of their own saliva. The Komodo dragon genome is an important resource for understanding the biology of monitor lizards and reptiles worldwide.

This is no surprise: tuna are fish and yet they are endotherms. The important take-away is that the endothermy of tuna and the improved respiratory metabolism of Komodo dragons are not the same as they are in mammals.


The more you learn, the harder you are to fool. If this interests you, go find the details; it will be a revelation for you.
 

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One of the things we are, is an animal. It's perhaps a blow to the pride to realize, but pride is not what brings us closer to God.
 

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1997: Gallup Poll comparing scientists with the general population:
Note the major differences between the beliefs of the general population and of scientists:

Belief system Creationist view Theistic evolution Naturalistic Evolution
Group of adults
God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years.
Everyone
44%
Scientists 5%


Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation.
Everyone 39%
Scientists 40%

Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. God had no part in this process.
Everyone 10%
Scientists 55%

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publia.htm
 

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In biology, no one refers to "lower animals" or "higher animals."

Perhaps not today

Not since modern evolutionary theory.

but there are still basic assumptions built into the whole of evolutionary thought that reflect the originators prejudices of "higher" and "lower" creatures.

We see that from creationists, but not biologists. No one who understands evolution and genetics would say that.

Eugenicists and genocidal maniacs latched on to evolution as a justification for their depravity.

The also latched onto Christianity for the same purpose. Hitler lavishly praised Martin Luther for his advice on what to do with Jews. Most of the "Final Solution" can be found here:
Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies"

Luther had a malignant hatred for Jews. This does not mean that his belief in God is responsible.

Darwinists like Reginald Punnett and Thomas Morgan showed that eugenic ideas were false science. And Darwin, in his book The Descent of Man wrote that even allowing weaker individuals to die was an "overwhelming evil."

Punnett, most notably, published a paper showing that eugenic proposals would take many centuries to have any effect on genes.

On the other hand, creationists like ICR co-founder, William Tinkle, were enthusiastic eugeicists:

Much more troubling, however, are Tinkle’s opinions of almost 30 years later, in his book “Heredity. A study in science and the Bible” published in 1967, while Tinkle was the Secretary of the Creation Research Society. In its chapter “The prospect for eugenics”, far from having abandoned his support for the practice, Tinkle sounds more radical about it. He writes positively about sterilization for the “feeble-minded” (carefully classified as “morons”, “imbeciles” and “idiots”) and people with other hereditary conditions. Sterilization in a male, he says “is a simple operation”, and “in a girl or woman, [it] is as serious as removal of the vermiform appendix” [11, p. 139]. While he admits that it is impractical to sterilize all “defectives”, he still thinks it’s worth a shot when possible:


At the present time there are in the United States more than a million people with serious hereditary defects, and to reduce their numbers by even a few thousand would reduce the amount of discomfort and hardship in the future. Unfortunate births are reduced by segregation also but there are not enough institutions to house nearly all the ones who have unfortunate genes. Institutional care is expensive but as compared to total government expenditure it is small.


Sterilization is sometimes employed with the consent of the patient for non-eugenic purposes. An example is a woman who has borne three children by Caesarean section and could not stand another birth. Persons who are on the borderline of normal mentality may be able to marry and care for themselves but would not be good parents. Their children might be normal or might be defective, and at any rate would have poor home discipline. Such persons sometimes are prevailed upon to submit to sterilization, to their own advantage. [11, pp140-141]


Tinkle was well aware of the dangers of eugenics, and mentions the horrors of Nazism (though he disturbingly feels it necessary to specifically note that among the millions of people killed by that regime “many [were] of the highest types”) and of forced sterilization (only however insofar as it was applied as a punishment for sex offenses and other forms of “misbehavior”, and thus “flout[ing] the law”). But those concerned with the “sanctity of human life” should not fear, because Tinkle was on top of it:


A careful reading of eugenic literature reveals that it may inculcate less respect for human life. In this way it runs counter to democracy, which stresses the worth and rights of the individual. The Bible teaches that life comes from God and that it is wrong to take that which one can not give. Unfortunately there are other programs also which destroy the idea of the sacredness of life. We refer to murder on the screen, war, and the teaching that man originated from, and still is, an animal.

Dr. West, meet Dr. Tinkle, Creationist eugenicist

Nor is Tinkle an isolated case. As late as the 1990s, ICR co-founder Henry Morris was publishing drivel about the supposed intellectual and spiritual inferiority of black people:

Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow they have only gone so far and no farther. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories, and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites.
Henry Morris The Beginning of the World Second Edition (1991), pp. 147-148:

This is one of the major differences between science and creationism.
 
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Well, if you ask this dog the same question, what do you think he would tell you? :D
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A mate had a dog that smiled as well, next door had a fit seeing it smile around his kids and went off the rocker at my mate and mats said It was just smiling, but next door would not have it at all, so my mate said ok I will shoot it, next door said no.

I don't think that it's to do with the dog being inbreed at all.
A brother had a cat and his kids would lay on it and all, real big cat it was as well and I could not believe that the cat would put up with that, I know our cats would of attacked us when we were kids if we did the same.

I remember one cat that we had and when we got it and it was so small and it was so funny to see it eat, making noises and would swat with it's paw like lighting when you touched the dish and when it grew up it attacked dogs. so funny to see a dog yelping high tailing it with a cat in hot pursuit.
 

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A mate had a dog that smiled as well, next door had a fit seeing it smile around his kids and went off the rocker at my mate and mats said It was just smiling, but next door would not have it at all, so my mate said ok I will shoot it, next door said no.

I don't think that it's to do with the dog being inbreed at all.
A brother had a cat and his kids would lay on it and all, real big cat it was as well and I could not believe that the cat would put up with that, I know our cats would of attacked us when we were kids if we did the same.

I remember one cat that we had and when we got it and it was so small and it was so funny to see it eat, making noises and would swat with it's paw like lighting when you touched the dish and when it grew up it attacked dogs. so funny to see a dog yelping high tailing it with a cat in hot pursuit.

Ahaha...I can see that happening so well, it is so funny they do not know their own sizes! One of mine, when she wants to play will paw my hand and one side of her mouth stretches back and her tail is going nuts! I would say it is her version of a smile :D
 
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Yehren says:
In biology, no one refers to "lower animals" or "higher animals."
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Not since modern evolutionary theory.
See above.



We see that from creationists, but not biologists. No one who understands evolution and genetics would say that.
Again, see above.



The also latched onto Christianity for the same purpose.
Not real Christianity--some mishmash of Nordic mythology that used "Christian" words to try to justify their murderous intentions.
Hitler lavishly praised Martin Luther for his advice on what to do with Jews. Most of the "Final Solution" can be found here: Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies" Luther had a malignant hatred for Jews. This does not mean that his belief in God is responsible.
That is why it is always dangerous for Christians to be followers of men, whether he be Martin Luther or Charles Darwin. The Apostle Paul warned of such.

And Darwin, in his book The Descent of Man wrote that even allowing weaker individuals to die was an "overwhelming evil."
Mmm--no. "...Darwin proposed that Caucasian Europeans (like himself) were the pinnacle of human evolution, and that they emerged by a struggle for survival. Altruism degraded the process by which the human race could advance. Darwin famously wrote in the 5th chapter of Descent of Man that the smallpox vaccine had regrettably allowed weak human beings to survive, and 'excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed'.” You are apparently misrepresenting Darwin's true thoughts on the matter. You can read the rest of the article here:Darwin's Theory, Darwinism, and Eugenics | Evolution News


On the other hand, creationists like ICR co-founder, William Tinkle, were enthusiastic eugenicists...

Much more troubling, however, are Tinkle’s opinions of almost 30 years later, in his book “Heredity. A study in science and the Bible” published in 1967, while Tinkle was the Secretary of the Creation Research Society. In its chapter “The prospect for eugenics”, far from having abandoned his support for the practice, Tinkle sounds more radical about it. He writes positively about sterilization for the “feeble-minded” (carefully classified as “morons”, “imbeciles” and “idiots”) and people with other hereditary conditions. Sterilization in a male, he says “is a simple operation”, and “in a girl or woman, [it] is as serious as removal of the vermiform appendix” [11, p. 139]. While he admits that it is impractical to sterilize all “defectives”, he still thinks it’s worth a shot when possible...
Again, Christians should not be followers of men. I went onto ICR's website and did a search. Could find no reference to William Tinkle. They must have disowned him, if he ever existed. The only reference on the web that I could find to "William Tinkle" was the one you quoted from. The British upper class (of which Darwin was a member) have for many, many decades been eugenicists. There is a book on the history of evolution and eugenics by historian, Ian Taylor called, In the Minds of Men which details the confluence of Dawinism and eugenics. Unfortunately, I believe it is now out of print, but you might be able to find it in your local library.

 
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One of the things we are, is an animal. It's perhaps a blow to the pride to realize, but pride is not what brings us closer to God.

You are correct that pride does not bring us closer to God. It is Truth that brings us closer to God.
 
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Yehren says:
In biology, no one refers to "lower animals" or "higher animals."


No. Look though the literature, instead of cheat sites for students doing term papers. It's not there.

Not since modern evolutionary theory. See above.

We see that from creationists, but not biologists. No one who understands evolution and genetics would say that. Again, see above.

Eugenicists also latched onto Christianity for the same reason.

Not real Christianity--

Not real evolutionary theory, either. As you learned, Darwinists debunked eugenics.

In 1917 Punnett again sought Hardy’s help over a similar problem, and this time Hardy himself calculated how slowly a recessive lethal is eliminated from a population, thus apparently discrediting the eugenicists’ claim that deleterious recessives could be eliminated in a few generations (Punnett 1917b).
Reginald Crundall Punnett: First Arthur Balfour Professor of Genetics, Cambridge, 1912

Davenport and his contemporaries failed to recognize that not all familial traits are biologically inherited, and that even traits that are inherited can have complex causes. This, coupled with an evangelical commitment to create a society molded in their own image, led the eugenicists to make simplistic and unsupportable claims about human heredity. Punnett made an early indictment of the methods during a presentation at the First International Congress on Eugenics in 1911 – the year The Trait Book was published: "Except in very few cases, our knowledge of heredity in man is at present far too slight and too uncertain to base legislation upon…It must be clearly recognized that the collection of such [accurate] pedigrees is an arduous undertaking demanding high critical ability…"
Social Origins of Eugenics

Mmm--no. "...Darwin proposed that Caucasian Europeans (like himself) were the pinnacle of human evolution, and that they emerged by a struggle for survival.

Actually, he scandalized creationists by declaring that if one moved a population of Africans to England, in a few generations, they'd be just like Englishmen. And as you learned, he declared eugenic ideas to be an "overwhelming evil."

Altruism degraded the process by which the human race could advance.

If you had read Darwin's Descent of Man, you'd have learned that he saw altruism as an important part of human evolution.

It must not be forgotten that although a high standard of morality
gives but a slight or no advantage to each individual man and his
children over the other men of the same tribe, yet that an increase in
the number of well-endowed men and an advancement in the standard of
morality will certainly give an immense advantage to one tribe over
another. A tribe including many members who, from possessing in a high
degree the spirit of patriotism, fidelity, obedience, courage, and
sympathy, were always ready to aid one another, and to sacrifice
themselves for the common good, would be victorious over most other
tribes; and this would be natural selection.

Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, Chapter V - On the Development of the Intellectual and Moral Faculties

Darwin famously wrote in the 5th chapter of Descent of Man that the smallpox vaccine had regrettably allowed weak human beings to survive, and 'excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed'.”

If you had actually read that chapter, you'd have known what came next...

Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of
hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our
nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation,
for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if
we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could
only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.
ibid


You are no doubt unaware that you are misrepresenting Darwin's true thoughts on the matter. I suggest you actually read his book, instead of reading what dishonest people represent it to be. You'll find that Darwin was not what your sources say.

Again, Christians should not be followers of men. I went onto ICR's website and did a search. Could find no reference to William Tinkle. They must have disowned him, if he ever existed.

He along with the racist Henry Morris, founded the ICR.
https://www.amazon.com/Heredity-Study-Science-William-Tinkle/dp/B0012G9CEG

From a creationist website:

It should be worth mentioning there seems to be credible evidence a few creationists have also supported eugenics. Dr. West meet Dr. Tinkle...I’ve provided this not because I think the creationists are in any way as guilty as Darwinists in eugenics (or abortion), but to suggest caution if one is going to play the genocide and eugenics cards. Playing what you think are good cards may not be as easy as one supposes. I know that from experience on many levels.
Creationist support of eugenics and genocide in the past


Nor is Tinkle an isolated case. As late as the 1990s, ICR co-founder Henry Morris was publishing drivel about the supposed intellectual and spiritual inferiority of black people:

Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow they have only gone so far and no farther. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories, and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites.
Henry Morris The Beginning of the World Second Edition (1991), pp. 147-148:


This is one of the major differences between science and creationism.
 
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Yehren says:
In biology, no one refers to "lower animals" or "higher animals."



No. Look though the literature, instead of cheat sites for students doing term papers. It's not there.

Not since modern evolutionary theory. See above.

We see that from creationists, but not biologists. No one who understands evolution and genetics would say that. Again, see above.

Eugenicists also latched onto Christianity for the same reason.



Not real evolutionary theory, either. As you learned, Darwinists debunked eugenics.

In 1917 Punnett again sought Hardy’s help over a similar problem, and this time Hardy himself calculated how slowly a recessive lethal is eliminated from a population, thus apparently discrediting the eugenicists’ claim that deleterious recessives could be eliminated in a few generations (Punnett 1917b).
Reginald Crundall Punnett: First Arthur Balfour Professor of Genetics, Cambridge, 1912

Davenport and his contemporaries failed to recognize that not all familial traits are biologically inherited, and that even traits that are inherited can have complex causes. This, coupled with an evangelical commitment to create a society molded in their own image, led the eugenicists to make simplistic and unsupportable claims about human heredity. Punnett made an early indictment of the methods during a presentation at the First International Congress on Eugenics in 1911 – the year The Trait Book was published: "Except in very few cases, our knowledge of heredity in man is at present far too slight and too uncertain to base legislation upon…It must be clearly recognized that the collection of such [accurate] pedigrees is an arduous undertaking demanding high critical ability…"
Social Origins of Eugenics



Actually, he scandalized creationists by declaring that if one moved a population of Africans to England, in a few generations, they'd be just like Englishmen. And as you learned, he declared eugenic ideas to be an "overwhelming evil."



If you had read Darwin's Descent of Man, you'd have learned that he saw altruism as an important part of human evolution.

It must not be forgotten that although a high standard of morality
gives but a slight or no advantage to each individual man and his
children over the other men of the same tribe, yet that an increase in
the number of well-endowed men and an advancement in the standard of
morality will certainly give an immense advantage to one tribe over
another. A tribe including many members who, from possessing in a high
degree the spirit of patriotism, fidelity, obedience, courage, and
sympathy, were always ready to aid one another, and to sacrifice
themselves for the common good, would be victorious over most other
tribes; and this would be natural selection.

Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, Chapter V - On the Development of the Intellectual and Moral Faculties



If you had actually read that chapter, you'd have known what came next...

Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of
hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our
nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation,
for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if
we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could
only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.
ibid


You are no doubt unaware that you are misrepresenting Darwin's true thoughts on the matter. I suggest you actually read his book, instead of reading what dishonest people represent it to be. You'll find that Darwin was not what your sources say.



He along with the racist Henry Morris, founded the ICR.
https://www.amazon.com/Heredity-Study-Science-William-Tinkle/dp/B0012G9CEG

From a creationist website:

It should be worth mentioning there seems to be credible evidence a few creationists have also supported eugenics. Dr. West meet Dr. Tinkle...I’ve provided this not because I think the creationists are in any way as guilty as Darwinists in eugenics (or abortion), but to suggest caution if one is going to play the genocide and eugenics cards. Playing what you think are good cards may not be as easy as one supposes. I know that from experience on many levels.
Creationist support of eugenics and genocide in the past


Nor is Tinkle an isolated case. As late as the 1990s, ICR co-founder Henry Morris was publishing drivel about the supposed intellectual and spiritual inferiority of black people:

Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow they have only gone so far and no farther. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories, and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites.
Henry Morris The Beginning of the World Second Edition (1991), pp. 147-148:


This is one of the major differences between science and creationism.

I am not a "creationist" even though I believe that the Bible tells the truth.
 

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Oh no? Term Paper on Lower Animals: Top 12 Papers | Biology



See above.



Again, see above.



Not real Christianity--some mishmash of Nordic mythology that used "Christian" words to try to justify their murderous intentions. That is why it is always dangerous for Christians to be followers of men, whether he be Martin Luther or Charles Darwin. The Apostle Paul warned of such.

Mmm--no. "...Darwin proposed that Caucasian Europeans (like himself) were the pinnacle of human evolution, and that they emerged by a struggle for survival. Altruism degraded the process by which the human race could advance. Darwin famously wrote in the 5th chapter of Descent of Man that the smallpox vaccine had regrettably allowed weak human beings to survive, and 'excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed'.” You are apparently misrepresenting Darwin's true thoughts on the matter. You can read the rest of the article here:Darwin's Theory, Darwinism, and Eugenics | Evolution News


Again, Christians should not be followers of men. I went onto ICR's website and did a search. Could find no reference to William Tinkle. They must have disowned him, if he ever existed. The only reference on the web that I could find to "William Tinkle" was the one you quoted from. The British upper class (of which Darwin was a member) have for many, many decades been eugenicists. There is a book on the history of evolution and eugenics by historian, Ian Taylor called, In the Minds of Men which details the confluence of Dawinism and eugenics. Unfortunately, I believe it is now out of print, but you might be able to find it in your local library.

W Churchill was into Eugenics also and he also said that he could was not bothered about the National Socialism Nazis at all, as that was not the problem nor was he bothered at all as to Communism. the concept did not bother him in the least. Money and power is their gods that they truly worship and that is what drove them in the Game.
Such things were of no threat to Churchill's class because they created them all for a means to an ends.
Even under Communism you always had your very wealthy that dominate and it's the same with the Nazis, it's just that they are under the thumb of Political Correctness that they are dominated by, it's all tailored to work so as to dupe the people, just that the majority are to brainwasher to understand what they are truly dealing with.

All leadership shaft the people for their own ends, but the majority are to daft to truly understand such in detail. they do not serve you because they truly look down on all under them. even Hitler was heard turning after making some speech and said how he felt such contempt for the Germans, that he was amazed and held them in contempt, saying that he could of said anything and they would swallow it all.

The point of Communism is that the follower is such a total moronic idiot that such a one believes it's is they who are the mob that is going to rule :rolleyes: it's their will that will be done o_O I have talked to them and they do not understand that they have no rights at all to say jack, they say we will do this and that but such people could not run a chook raffle, no foresight no brain power worth mentioning, just simple minded shallow dolts living in their own little world of ignorance and if one claims to be a Christian it's a token one to be sure.
 

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One really has no connection to the other. There are creationists who think the Bible is true.

And the fact of creationist leaders being racist and/or eugenicists, does not mean that all creationists are racist or eugenicists.
 

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W Churchill was into Eugenics also and he also said that he could was not bothered about the National Socialism Nazis at all, as that was not the problem nor was he bothered at all as to Communism.

Churchill was such a vociferous opponent of communism, that he was criticized about his praise for Stalin during WWII. His reply was that if the devil offered his help against Hitler, he would feel obligated to say a few kind words about Hell.
 

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Churchill was such a vociferous opponent of communism, that he was criticized about his praise for Stalin during WWII. His reply was that if the devil offered his help against Hitler, he would feel obligated to say a few kind words about Hell.
W Churchill was not a Christian he was a Freemason.

I once read a Freemason book one that only Freemasons are allowed to read, it was all very good and way more advanced than any of our society by far, it made our society look pathetic, it was all logical and all, but one thing was missing and that was Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit, it was a mans works thing and as one should know that all such things that are offered up to Man is madness, all mad men through history are the same be it the Hitler's or any leader be it Communist or what ever has never had God on their side and as such they will always fail because they are under strong delusions, they only sow the seeds of death and destruction and that's why our society's are becoming so deranged and totally sickly filthy grubs.
Because the wellspring that they drink from is poisoned.
I can understand why the Freemasons look up to such a thing as there gods so much, I understand why they are so wrapped up in such a thing.
I can see understand why it was that the Nazis were looked up too the way that it was, it's not an enigma to me, I understand why as I am not ignorant of such at all, the same with Communism, oh I understand them better than they understand themselves.

We get hammered by filthy deranged homosexuals on TV all the time with some man boy, who comes across with the mentality of spoilt 9yo brat, regardless on everything you can think of and there it is a man boy talking at you.

We get all this Rapture clap trap with Jew worship and you know what they all have in common, is that they all show their teeth when you point them out for what they truly are.

But Jesus never showed his teeth, he showed us the only path is through him.
 
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