Which generation is "this generation"?

Bobby Jo · Sep 15, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Revelation 11:19 KJV
[19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

This happened at Calvary.

Yep, a preterist. -- We see the skewed theology, and then the source of the problem.

Bobby Jo

n2thelight · Sep 15, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Revelation 11:19 KJV
[19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

This happened at Calvary.
Tecarta Bible

No it did not ,had that happened we would not be in flesh bodies right now

n2thelight · Sep 15, 2019

shnarkle said:
You're stating that you are getting old so you are either claiming that you are your body which is a contradiction in terms, or whoever you are regardless of what your body is doing is also getting old. Which is it? To equate the verb to be with the genitive of possession is a contradiction in terms. You can quote all the scripture you please, but if you can't post your conclusions without contradicting yourself, chances are high that you've been deceived.

FLESH, we hv 2 bodies ,flesh gets sick old and dies

Waiting on him · Sep 15, 2019

n2thelight said:
No it did not ,had that happened we would not be in flesh bodies right now

Hebrews 10:19-21 KJV
[19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, [20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; [21] And having an high priest over the house of God;

What temple do you think you’ve entered into, and do you think flesh and bone enter in
Tecarta Bible

shnarkle · Sep 16, 2019

n2thelight said:
No it did not ,had that happened we would not be in flesh bodies right now

Some have learned to pray, "on earth as it IS in heaven". Some note that what sins are loosened on earth are (already) loosened in heaven. Before Satan can be cast to the earth, he must first be cast from heaven. There is no way the cloth that was torn in the earthly temple would precede the tearing of the heavenly temple. You see the problem yet?

What matters is which body is operating. Those who "walk after the Spirit do not fulfill the lust of the flesh". Their flesh bodies have been crucified; they're dead to sin. Your assumptions don't match reality, or the clear teachings of the gospels. Jesus ascends to heaven entering into the holy of holies, and then returns to cast Satan into the wilderness just as he did when he met him in the wilderness; just as Israel did when they sent the scapegoat into the wilderness, just as all those who are reconciled to God through Christ's sacrifice do or have done since they began making their way into the kingdom.

shnarkle · Sep 16, 2019

n2thelight said:
FLESH, we hv 2 bodies ,flesh gets sick old and dies

Flesh? So you're saying you are a body of flesh? Fair enough, at least you're consistent from that standpoint.

n2thelight · Sep 17, 2019

shnarkle said:
Flesh? So you're saying you are a body of flesh? Fair enough, at least you're consistent from that standpoint.

Read 1 Corinth 15 ,Paul can explain it better than I.as for consistency ,when have I not been?

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then [at death] shall the dust [flesh body] return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [spiritual body] shall return [instantly] to God [Father] Who gave it."

Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

This is written by Solomon to the flesh man that walks under the sun, and when the life of the flesh is over, it has no more knowledge or thought than a stick or rock. It is useless, but the soul that is within it is gone and with the Father.

n2thelight · Sep 17, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
... hundred YEARS old ...

Did you not read the verse?!? "... for the child shall die an hundred years old ..."

Please don't make stuff up.
Bobby Jo

When does the kingdoms of this world become Christ?Let's see.

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

This is the seventh and final trumpet, from the time that the two witnesses stand to their feet, we are dealing in seconds, and minutes for it all to occur. The third woe comes with the seventh trumpet. All prophecy in the entire Bible dealing with the seventh, and last trumpet happens instantly at this time.

I Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

Paul is saying that you can count on this for a fact. Flesh and blood cannot be part of the Kingdom of God. Your flesh body is going to drive you to sin and that is its nature. When you are under the nature of your flesh body, it will not allow your inner man to control you. There is no way that flesh and blood can become part of the kingdom of God. As long as you are in your flesh body, you simply cannot keep from breaking part of the laws of God. Your mind is incapable of retaining all the law, and applying it to every moment of your life. This is why we have repentance, and it is also why flesh and blood will not be here when Jesus Christ's kingdom is established here on earth for the Millennium kingdom.

Now do tell ,how can there be flesh during the millennium?

Waiting on him · Sep 17, 2019

n2thelight said:
When does the kingdoms of this world become Christ?Let's see.

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

This is the seventh and final trumpet, from the time that the two witnesses stand to their feet, we are dealing in seconds, and minutes for it all to occur. The third woe comes with the seventh trumpet. All prophecy in the entire Bible dealing with the seventh, and last trumpet happens instantly at this time.

I Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

Paul is saying that you can count on this for a fact. Flesh and blood cannot be part of the Kingdom of God. Your flesh body is going to drive you to sin and that is its nature. When you are under the nature of your flesh body, it will not allow your inner man to control you. There is no way that flesh and blood can become part of the kingdom of God. As long as you are in your flesh body, you simply cannot keep from breaking part of the laws of God. Your mind is incapable of retaining all the law, and applying it to every moment of your life. This is why we have repentance, and it is also why flesh and blood will not be here when Jesus Christ's kingdom is established here on earth for the Millennium kingdom.

Now do tell ,how can there be flesh during the millennium?

1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Tecarta BibleSo much for a pre tribulation rapture theory.

shnarkle · Sep 17, 2019

n2thelight said:
Read 1 Corinth 15 ,Paul can explain it better than I.as for consistency ,when have I not been?

I Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, "How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?"

Paul is now going to tell us what happens and we bury them in the ground. Pay attention so that you will understand and there will be no confusion. So if you believe in the resurrection, than how does it happen? Where does it take place, and with what body does the dead rise?

We are talking about the physical body and it's change. In other words, what happens to the flesh after death, and the soul after it has departed from the body?

I Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"

It is important to understand the word "quickened", Remember in verse 22 Paul stated; "in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." This Greek word for "quickened" is the same Greek word for the "coming alive". It means that all, sinners and saints are made alive through Christ. It doesn't mean that the soul is raised to eternal life, for the soul is not the subject here, but the question is what happens to the physical body?

It means to "revitalize" [# 2227 in Strong's] the soul, and become conscience and ready for judgment. This doesn't mean that all souls are saved, but that all souls are given life to continue as they were. If that soul was lost, it will still be lost, but the final death will not take place until after this age of the flesh is over, after the Millennium age, and the Great white throne judgment is finish. Then will be the time of the "second death" or the death of the lost souls. It means that the soul has put off the flesh body, and put on their spiritual body, but their soul is still condemned to death if it is not in right standing with God.

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then [at death] shall the dust [flesh body] return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [spiritual body] shall return [instantly] to God [Father] Who gave it."

Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

This is written by Solomon to the flesh man that walks under the sun, and when the life of the flesh is over, it has no more knowledge or thought than a stick or rock. It is useless, but the soul that is within it is gone and with the Father.

So there are two bodies, and yet you still seem to think we need the natural/physical sinful body, no? Isn't this what all of Christianity believes is going to come crawling out of their graves someday? What's the point if it's not really who anyone really is? I agree with your citations, I just don't agree with your conclusions.

shnarkle · Sep 17, 2019

n2thelight said:
When does the kingdoms of this world become Christ?Let's see.

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

This is the seventh and final trumpet, from the time that the two witnesses stand to their feet, we are dealing in seconds, and minutes for it all to occur. The third woe comes with the seventh trumpet. All prophecy in the entire Bible dealing with the seventh, and last trumpet happens instantly at this time.

I Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

Paul is saying that you can count on this for a fact. Flesh and blood cannot be part of the Kingdom of God. Your flesh body is going to drive you to sin and that is its nature. When you are under the nature of your flesh body, it will not allow your inner man to control you. There is no way that flesh and blood can become part of the kingdom of God. As long as you are in your flesh body, you simply cannot keep from breaking part of the laws of God. Your mind is incapable of retaining all the law, and applying it to every moment of your life. This is why we have repentance, and it is also why flesh and blood will not be here when Jesus Christ's kingdom is established here on earth for the Millennium kingdom.

Now do tell ,how can there be flesh during the millennium?

There is no point in giving commandments for the flesh to keep if no one is going to be able to keep them, or they will not be in the flesh. Christ is our example, and everone who is in Christ, keeps God's commandments. The new covenant includes God's commandments which include sexual activity. Spirits don't engage in sexual activity in God's kingdom, so there's no point in claiming we'll all be keeping God's commandments if there's no point to them in the first place.

The carnal mind cannot repent ever. The gift of repentance is not a back and forth process; it's a turning away from sin. The carnal mind can only pretend to repent; it's a fraud. Again, the new covenant explicitly stipulates that God will insure that all keep his commandments. There's nothing to indicate that his commandments are no longer necessary which is the only conclusion one could come to if no one has a physical body.

n2thelight · Sep 18, 2019

shnarkle said:
So there are two bodies, and yet you still seem to think we need the natural/physical sinful body, no? Isn't this what all of Christianity believes is going to come crawling out of their graves someday? What's the point if it's not really who anyone really is? I agree with your citations, I just don't agree with your conclusions.

Noooooooo,I don't think we need the natural body,that's the flesh,at death it goes back to the elements never to be needed again.Thinking you misunderstood me..
If you didn't I'll make it clear,the FLESH will not rise!!!

n2thelight · Sep 18, 2019

shnarkle said:
There is no point in giving commandments for the flesh to keep if no one is going to be able to keep them, or they will not be in the flesh. Christ is our example, and everone who is in Christ, keeps God's commandments. The new covenant includes God's commandments which include sexual activity. Spirits don't engage in sexual activity in God's kingdom, so there's no point in claiming we'll all be keeping God's commandments if there's no point to them in the first place.

The carnal mind cannot repent ever. The gift of repentance is not a back and forth process; it's a turning away from sin. The carnal mind can only pretend to repent; it's a fraud. Again, the new covenant explicitly stipulates that God will insure that all keep his commandments. There's nothing to indicate that his commandments are no longer necessary which is the only conclusion one could come to if no one has a physical body.

Understanding you gonna stay where you are,so just this question,what happens to the people who never had a chance to learn the truth of our Father's Word?

n2thelight · Sep 18, 2019

Also these people you claim that will be born,will have no evil (satan)to contend with,so how is that fair to those who did?

shnarkle · Sep 18, 2019

n2thelight said:
Noooooooo,I don't think we need the natural body,that's the flesh,at death it goes back to the elements never to be needed again.Thinking you misunderstood me...

So then Jesus didn't physically rise from the dead, right? He wouldn't need his physical body either, right?

shnarkle · Sep 18, 2019

n2thelight said:
Understanding you gonna stay where you are,so just this question,what happens to the people who never had a chance to learn the truth of our Father's Word?

They're taught directly, right? Here again, what's the point in teaching people to keep commandments that are irrelevant without a flesh body?

n2thelight · Sep 18, 2019

shnarkle said:
So then Jesus didn't physically rise from the dead, right? He wouldn't need his physical body either, right?

He had to else no one would had believed He rose cause they wouldnt had been able to see him.What happened when He went back to Heaven

Matthew 17:1 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,"

Jesus is separating these three disciples from the rest of the disciples. This is what you might call a secret mission. It is a documentation of what it will be like at the Second Advent, or coming of Jesus Christ. It has to do with Christ's second coming.

Matthew 17:2 "And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light."

Jesus Christ's transfiguration let these three disciples know that through the resurrection the flesh body will be transfigured, rather then left. These three have witnessed before the fact that Christ's body will be transfigured. Meaning that the flesh shall not be left behind, whereby the unbelievers could say, He didn't go anywhere. There is the flesh.

Every time a person dies there is an immediate removal of the soul back to the Heavenly Father, and the flesh is left to rot. The unbeliever simply can't understand that because the body is laying there on the slab. The persons beautiful spiritual body returns to God that gave it.

In this case, there had to be a transfiguration to stop the talk, and have witnesses to the fact, so no one could deny that He arose.

Matthew 17:3 "And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with Him."

Many teach that these two men that were with Christ have been in the grave for quite some time. All souls, including Satan himself, are with God at this time awaiting judgment, or awaiting to be taught in the millennium age. Satan's evil spirit is on earth, but he is the accuser before the throne in heaven. Revelation 12:7-9 tells us that this is a war that will take place, and that war will end with Michael and his angels casting Satan and his angels to the earth. When Satan comes it will mark the end of this earth age, with the great deception of the tribulation.

Why would Jesus appear with Moses and Elias? Moses was the law giver. The law that God gave mankind for the sake of living with one another on earth. It was the yardstick to show man that he was not perfect. When Christ dies on the cross, it will pay the price for man's transgressing of the law.

These two, Moses and Elias [Elijah] were mentioned in the last three verses in the Old Testament.

Malachi 4:4-6; "Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. [4] Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:" [5] And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." [6]

Moses stood for the law, and his presence represents those to be raised from the dead. This will occur when Christ is resurrected and brings the souls along with Him to heaven.

Christ's transfigured body was symbolic of that Second Advent. What Jesus is saying to the disciples is that this is the First Advent, these events with Moses and Elijah present do not take place until the end of the sixth dispensation. That is when the hearts of the fathers are turned the children, and the children to the fathers. The "fathers", two of them are Jesus Christ and Satan, and the time is called the Great Tribulation [Deception]. Jesus Christ is the Father of His own, and Satan is the father of his own seed, the Kenites.

So these disciples watched as these three stood in their supernatural bodies, showing that Christ was supernatural. This shows the body that Christ would posses after the crucifixion, and after the tomb. Jesus allowed this time of the transfiguration to happen, so people would not run around saying that Christ did not rise from the tomb. He did it in this manner to where there would be no doubt to where His body was. It was changed.

n2thelight · Sep 18, 2019

shnarkle said:
They're taught directly, right? Here again, what's the point in teaching people to keep commandments that are irrelevant without a flesh body?

The same reason that before we were made flesh ,some followed satan.What do you think a spiritual body is?

shnarkle · Sep 18, 2019

n2thelight said:
He had to else no one would had believed He rose cause they wouldnt had been able to see him.

Seems like you've got to come up with longer and more complicated explanations to make this all work. The simplest explanation works the best though. When you say they wouldn't have been able to see him, that simply doesn't fly. The bible is full of examples of people seeing angels, demons, etc. His disciples see a complete stranger in the flesh, and BAM, they suddenly see Christ. That's Christ's own teaching coming alive right in front of them. They see Moses and Elijah as well so we know they don't have to be in the flesh to be seen.

shnarkle · Sep 18, 2019

n2thelight said:
The same reason that before we were made flesh ,some followed satan.What do you think a spiritual body is?

I don't know what you're talking about, or what your point is here.

Which generation is "this generation"?

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