Why do we need priests?

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Waiting on him

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Yes, they still retain that bit of real tradition that goes back to the pre-Christian era; but then they "add" to it, saying it's not a valid marriage in their eyes without the priest being present to bless it.

Section 1210 is what really makes me scratch my head.

1210 Christ instituted the sacraments of the new law. There are seven: Baptism, Confirmation (or Chrismation), the Eucharist, Penance, the Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders and Matrimony. The seven sacraments touch all the stages and all the important moments of Christian life:1 they give birth and increase, healing and mission to the Christian's life of faith. There is thus a certain resemblance between the stages of natural life and the stages of the spiritual life.

That is so odd since people didn't get married in churches for centuries and centuries of Christian history. I think the Council of Trent is when it was officially proclaimed a sacrament. Apparently the Catholic Church sees the marriages of non-Catholics as inferior to marriages conducted by priests inside churches. They don't believe people were married before Jesus instituted the sacrament of matrimony? They do, but somehow the "sacrament of matrimony" is superior to "ordinary marriage." If it is a sacrament that bestows grace in a way that ordinary marriage doesn't, why did it take so long to make it official if Jesus had instituted it centuries before?

Did Jesus tell Peter his marriage was inferior? Did Jesus bless the marriage of Peter and his wife to make it into matrimony?

I'm also left wondering how and when Jesus instituted holy orders. How the Catholic theologians can make things complicated.
Their as all prior to Pentecost, they lack the narrative
 

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Actually, Adam was created first, and then Eve.
Genesis 2:18

The above just refers to the fact that there is a male and female.
Not the way I read it. They were created male and female at the same time, in the image of God -- both perfectly formed. They were divided later, separated at the side. Eve was already there, perfectly formed having been made in the image and likeness of God. She was not made from a rib. The Hebrew reads "side" not "rib."

The same separation from the side is seen at the crucifixion, I think, when the "female" church came from the "side" of Jesus in the "blood and water."
 

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Not the way I read it. They were created male and female at the same time, in the image of God -- both perfectly formed. They were divided later, separated at the side. Eve was already there, perfectly formed having been made in the image and likeness of God. She was not made from a rib. The Hebrew reads "side" not "rib."

The same separation from the side is seen at the crucifixion, I think, when the "female" church came from the "side" of Jesus in the "blood and water."
This is an institution of God alone, not an institution of man
 
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Not the way I read it. They were created male and female at the same time, in the image of God -- both perfectly formed. They were divided later, separated at the side. Eve was already there, perfectly formed having been made in the image and likeness of God. She was not made from a rib. The Hebrew reads "side" not "rib."

The same separation from the side is seen at the crucifixion, I think, when the "female" church came from the "side" of Jesus in the "blood and water."
Isaiah 60:3-4 KJV
[3] And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. [4] Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.


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Actually, Adam was created first, and then Eve.
Genesis 2:18

The above just refers to the fact that there is a male and female.
It is hard to see in English since both ADM and HADM are translated as Adam. At first, it reads HADM (or the Adam) in Hebrew. This is the being that is both male and female. The two are then separated. How could they know love if they remained one? Indeed we see God looking at HADM and saying it is not good for "the Man" to be alone. That suggests to me that God created man because God also wanted someone to love. Later it switches to ADAM, the male half.
 

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It is hard to see in English since both ADM and HADM are translated as Adam. At first, it reads HADM (or the Adam) in Hebrew. This is the being that is both male and female. The two are then separated. How could they know love if they remained one? Indeed we see God looking at HADM and saying it is not good for "the Man" to be alone. That suggests to me that God created man because God also wanted someone to love. Later it switches to ADAM, the male half.
This indeed is a mystery.
 
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Yes Eve was created from Adams rib.
As if your saying so could make it so.

This is pure myth. The word in Hebrew is tsela' and it means side. This link will take you to Blue Bible which shows how the word is translated in the KJV. In Genesis, it was translated as rib; but that's not what it means. It may be what you were taught, but the Bible doesn't say that in the Hebrew.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

If Eve was "created" from Adam's rib, then she wasn't made in the "image and likeness of God." God is perfect. God is both male and female; and Eve was not inferior in any way, being made in the image and likeness of God.
 

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It was an agreement between two people - man and woman - to be joined together without the involvement of a third party.
How could three people be necessary for the two to become one? I honestly don't understand that way of thinking.

What's next? Will our priests and clergy tell us we need their permission to love our neighbors?
 

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"Abba" is the affectionate term for father in Hebrew.

However, if Pope Francis knew his Bible, he would understand that "the Light" and "the Creator" apply to Jesus, not the Father.
How can it apply to one and not the other? "For I and My Father are ONE"
John 10:29-31
The Unbelief of the Jews
…29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.” 31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him.…
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One.
John14:8-10
The Way, the Truth, and the Life
…8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” 9Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works.…
If Christ is Light then the Father is Light if Christ is Creator then He is One with the Father.
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Three are ONE.
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Obviously you do not have the Christian understanding of marriage. I would have expected that kind of remark from a heathen (and even heathens have priests involved).
Right, that's a truly horrible thing to say to a Christian sister so I'm going to 'IGNORE' you.
 

Giuliano

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To a lot of people a union without the involvement of a celebrant would mean the couple would be 'living in sin'.
It can also create legal problems. I live in Pennsylvania which used to recognize common law marriages. That law went back to colonial times when people were living in areas very sparsely populated; so if two people moved in with each other and told others they were married, then they were considered married. It ran into trouble though as time went by. Judges sometimes didn't know who should inherit things. There were so many sad court cases over it that they finally banned it.
 
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Christ is not a name but rather a Title and it is even used in anti-Christ. So the Name of the Messiah Is Yeshua (Jesus) the Christ , the Only Christ.

1 Peter 4:14 KJV
[14] If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye ; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.


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