Divorcement? dead to the Law by the body of Christ?

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I didn't say that all of the bible, or even the O.T. is only for the Jews.
What I posted concerns Romans chapters 9 to 11.
Of course the word if for everyone....
You continue to understand those chapters in your own way,,,as I can tell from your statements on the vessels.

The vessels spoken of here are THE JEWS,,,not each one of us individually.
As I said,,, I'm not an expert on this, @Grailhunter knows a lot more than I do.
As you can see from the beginning of chapter 9 in Romans, Paul has great grief in his heart for his fellow countrymen. Why? Romans 9:1-4 sets the tone for the rest of the three chapters.

Maybe this is a new idea for you and you could read up on it some more.
Or maybe you cannot accept this idea.
It IS a known fact for every denomination except for calvinism.
I sent you some good links,,,I cannot do more.
Maybe Grailhunter can help you?

Just want to say that this is not a matter of opinion...
It's accepted theology.

Thank you for the time you have spent going over it with me. I’m not trying to force you to agree. Sometimes I struggle because I’m not good at the theology but read His word with nothing more than allowing it to speak. Sometimes I seriously doubt it when compared against what others say it says to them. At the end of the day though I’m seeing more and more it isn’t about who is right or about theology but about love. So I do appreciate your links which I did read and your perspective on all you have witnessed and learned through your journey. For me
Romans 14:13-17 should be acknowledged: “Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. [14] I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. [15] But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. [16] Let not then your good be evil spoken of: [17] For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit .”

Which it appears we both...regardless of perspective have joy in the Holy Spirit. Not discounting the perspective you’ve given...only wanted to add to you another also.
 
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I didn't say that all of the bible, or even the O.T. is only for the Jews.
What I posted concerns Romans chapters 9 to 11.
Of course the word if for everyone....
You continue to understand those chapters in your own way,,,as I can tell from your statements on the vessels.

The vessels spoken of here are THE JEWS,,,not each one of us individually.
As I said,,, I'm not an expert on this, @Grailhunter knows a lot more than I do.
As you can see from the beginning of chapter 9 in Romans, Paul has great grief in his heart for his fellow countrymen. Why? Romans 9:1-4 sets the tone for the rest of the three chapters.

Maybe this is a new idea for you and you could read up on it some more.
Or maybe you cannot accept this idea.
It IS a known fact for every denomination except for calvinism.
I sent you some good links,,,I cannot do more.
Maybe Grailhunter can help you?

Just want to say that this is not a matter of opinion...
It's accepted theology.

One last note concerning Paul’s love for those according to the flesh. I do see his love for them...and God’s love for them. So much so the Spirit witnessed in Paul, Paul wished he could bear all things for them ...sounds like the fruit of the Spirit...in bears all things, hopes all things, believes all things, endures all things...giving to that which lacks. Romans 9:1-3 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit. That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. [3] For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh.
 
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The one question I’ve had concerning this is: if God kept those who had not bowed the knee to Baal...isn’t it or wouldn’t it be based off works as in they had not bowed to another God? Fully aware that what you posted scripture says and in no way am I arguing it...just wanted to ask the question I’ve thought had before.

Understand the confusion and the confusion is there. The point in Romans is that although most of the Jews had not believed in Christ, some, referred to as the "remnant" had believed and the hope for the Jews rested on them. But how many other aspects are there. Paul is a Jewish Benjamite, but an Apostle to the Gentiles, referencing Old Testament scriptures, that is a religion based on works.. Gee I wonder how people could get confused??? lol
 
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Thank you for the time you have spent going over it with me. I’m not trying to force you to agree. Sometimes I struggle because I’m not good at the theology but read His word with nothing more than allowing it to speak. Sometimes I seriously doubt it when compared against what others say it says to them. At the end of the day though I’m seeing more and more it isn’t about who is right or about theology but about love. So I do appreciate your links which I did read and your perspective on all you have witnessed and learned through your journey. For me
Romans 14:13-17 should be acknowledged: “Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. [14] I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. [15] But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. [16] Let not then your good be evil spoken of: [17] For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit .”

Which it appears we both...regardless of perspective have joy in the Holy Spirit. Not discounting the perspective you’ve given...only wanted to add to you another also.
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I know the other perspective!
I didn't always know about those chapters in Romans...I must say, however, that they did give me a problem and even sounded very calvinistic - which I do not believe is correct theology from what I know about God's character.

I don't think any adult can convince another adult...we put forth what we believe to be correct, and only the Holy Spirit can convince.

My only point here is that I cannot discuss this beyond a certain point. I'm not that well-versed in this matter and I doubt I ever will be because of certain reasons.

I just thought it would be good for you to know what most theologians believe.

God bless you V...I respect and enjoy reading your posts.
 
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Understand the confusion and the confusion is there. The point in Romans is that although most of the Jews had not believed in Christ, some, referred to as the "remnant" had believed and the hope for the Jews rested on them. But how many other aspects are there. Paul is a Jewish Benjamite, but an Apostle to the Gentiles, referencing Old Testament scriptures, that is a religion based on works.. Gee I wonder how people could get confused??? lol

Realize I won’t convince you. Never started this thread to try to prove or say Jews are not a part of God’s plan. The question was concerning if ‘all were dead’ by the body of Christ...if we don’t and can’t go backwards to what is behind and dead, how can they ...if all were dead by the body of Christ; to marry another, even He who rose from the dead. That’s all. How can they go backwards?

And maybe the question of how the Spirit of God where there is neither Greek, nor Jew, male or female... is it asserted there Is this respect of persons. If it is His voice which is Spirit is there distinctions based off gender or race or does His voice speak of and for all. Pertaining to the vessels of destruction and vessels of mercy. Off evidence and experience...you would have nearly an impossible time convincing me otherwise. Not saying you have to agree but born natural of a woman I was clearly a vessel of destruction. I wasted everything I come in contact with (ignorantly) even my own children. It is not my husbands fault since coming to the marriage also he was unable to give me what was needed but instead told me to go to God. there was something inside of me so broken and without that I consumed my own children in feeding off their flesh until they also were just as empty as I was, in my attempt to fill some void of lack. I did it to my husband also. To many in: to destroy and waste was all I knew how to do. It was the vessel I was...natural unable to hear or receive the things of God. He said pick up your cross and follow Me. What is crucified on that crucifix if not a vessel of destruction, in He came to destroy the works of the devil and sin. All must hear His voice and follow Him. Do not see where any are excluded in “one must be born again from above.” Born anew of Life. Vessels prepared for Mercy...countless times Paul instructed the grace(mercy) given to him was not for their destruction but to build up. Yet Paul also said he wasted the Church of God in ignorance. Vessels of Mercy are after a vessel of destruction is taken to the cross and “destroyed” (Saul destroyed. Paul who tells clearly Saul destroyed and wasted and was an enemy of God). but first one has to hear His voice, and His sheep follow Him. You would have an hard time convincing me that God did not endure with patience and long suffering vessels hell-bent on tearing down and destroying every good thing given of God(which I did)that He might also declare His mercy on a new birth given from above. Countless times we are told to not walk in the flesh (that old vessel prepared for destruction and to be done away with) and we won’t do what the vessels of destruction does...but instead walk in newness of Life, sowing new things of love and peace and mercy and grace: building up rather than tearing down. Considering the curse that goes into a house and consumes the timbers(wood) until that house falls...I’ve lived it. But I’ve also lived His grace and Mercy and how He restores Life rather than consumes and takes it. The only thing He consumes is the enemy. You would have an impossible time telling me against the evidence that I was not in the natural; born an enemy of God, Born of destruction and the curse and death ...but in being born again from above of the Spirit in God’s Mercy can do a new thing and build ...Galatians 2:18-20 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. [19] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. [20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 

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Realize I won’t convince you. Never started this thread to try to prove or say Jews are not a part of God’s plan. The question was concerning if ‘all were dead’ by the body of Christ...if we don’t and can’t go backwards to what is behind and dead, how can they ...if all were dead by the body of Christ; to marry another, even He who rose from the dead. That’s all. How can they go backwards?

And maybe the question of how the Spirit of God where there is neither Greek, nor Jew, male or female... is it asserted there Is this respect of persons. If it is His voice which is Spirit is there distinctions based off gender or race or does His voice speak of and for all. Pertaining to the vessels of destruction and vessels of mercy. Off evidence and experience...you would have nearly an impossible time convincing me otherwise. Not saying you have to agree but born natural of a woman I was clearly a vessel of destruction. I wasted everything I come in contact with (ignorantly) even my own children. It is not my husbands fault since coming to the marriage also he was unable to give me what was needed but instead told me to go to God. there was something inside of me so broken and without that I consumed my own children in feeding off their flesh until they also were just as empty as I was, in my attempt to fill some void of lack. I did it to my husband also. To many in: to destroy and waste was all I knew how to do. It was the vessel I was...natural unable to hear or receive the things of God. He said pick up your cross and follow Me. What is crucified on that crucifix if not a vessel of destruction, in He came to destroy the works of the devil and sin. All must hear His voice and follow Him. Do not see where any are excluded in “one must be born again from above.” Born anew of Life. Vessels prepared for Mercy...countless times Paul instructed the grace(mercy) given to him was not for their destruction but to build up. Yet Paul also said he wasted the Church of God in ignorance. Vessels of Mercy are after a vessel of destruction is taken to the cross and “destroyed” (Saul destroyed. Paul who tells clearly Saul destroyed and wasted and was an enemy of God). but first one has to hear His voice, and His sheep follow Him. You would have an hard time convincing me that God did not endure with patience and long suffering vessels hell-bent on tearing down and destroying every good thing given of God(which I did)that He might also declare His mercy on a new birth given from above. Countless times we are told to not walk in the flesh (that old vessel prepared for destruction and to be done away with) and we won’t do what the vessels of destruction does...but instead walk in newness of Life, sowing new things of love and peace and mercy and grace: building up rather than tearing down. Considering the curse that goes into a house and consumes the timbers(wood) until that house falls...I’ve lived it. But I’ve also lived His grace and Mercy and how He restores Life rather than consumes and takes it. The only thing He consumes is the enemy. You would have an impossible time telling me against the evidence that I was not in the natural; born an enemy of God, Born of destruction and the curse and death ...but in being born again from above of the Spirit in God’s Mercy can do a new thing and build ...Galatians 2:18-20 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. [19] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. [20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.


One I would have to admit I am having trouble gleaning your point, except maybe that you are troubled. But let me say this, some believe the scriptures are "ink" some believe they are holy, some believe that only one translation is blessed of God. But then there are those that believe that God's word can transcend any translation, and from that ink, Christ can speak to that person the words that they need to hear.
 

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while reading some of the replies, I came to this,
We have to remember that the right way to interpret the Law of Moses involves love. In this case, what is the loving thing to be done for the woman who's married to a man with a hard heart? Never mind the husband -- what about the wife?
this is correct. what about the wife? these hard hearted men ruled everything and own everything, they was not in consideration of their wives. a good example of this is with our father of FAITH, yes Abraham, and his wife Hagar, before the LAW of Moses. Genesis 21:14 "And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba". stop, think for a second. was not Abraham rich? he didn't even give "his" own child Ishmael a camel to ride on in departing, just some bread and 1 bottle of water between the both of them. did not his herdsman and his nephew Lot herdsman strive because of their vast wealth?. well God put an end to that. by injecting the bill of divorcement men no longer could treat their wives any kind of way, sending them away with NOTHING. hence the LAW of God, which means he loves a JUST BALANCE. whereas those evil, hard hearted men just put their wives away for no reason, or any reason, and then just send them out on their own without NOTHING. THANK GOD FOR THE LAW OF DIVORCEMENT. just don't send the woman out without nothing, be fair. Proverbs 11:1 "A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight".
The sin is his. Insisting that he can't divorce her would punish her.
correct, and agreed. Matthew 19:6 "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder". man here in this verse is the hard hearted "HUSBAND" who want to break the marriage bond for any reason. ignorant men, fulfilling their own lust.
now today, this applies to the wife if she wants to "put away" here husband for any and no good reason.

but here is the key to it all, if something goes wrong in the marriage, can it be salvageable?

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but here is the key to it all, if something goes wrong in the marriage, can it be salvageable?

PICJAG.
That is the question, isn't it? I think if both of them want to make it work, they can do it. If they love each other, it may take time; but they can do it -- love never fails. If one doesn't want to try to make it work, it probably won't.
 

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That is the question, isn't it? I think if both of them want to make it work, they can do it. If they love each other, it may take time; but they can do it -- love never fails. If one doesn't want to try to make it work, it probably won't.

That is a lot of truth in one small post!
 
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also, I would like to inject something else here on marriage and divorce. many, not all, but some ministers in pulpits today are enslaving people by saying "one cannot get a divorce while their spouse still lives". that's nonsense, and anti law. just the putting away of a spouse is illegal without a bill of divorcement, except for fornication, just as our Lord said, for a divorce, like a Marriage is a two step process.
without that proper bill of divorcement, one is still married.

PICJAG.
 

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One I would have to admit I am having trouble gleaning your point, except maybe that you are troubled. But let me say this, some believe the scriptures are "ink" some believe they are holy, some believe that only one translation is blessed of God. But then there are those that believe that God's word can transcend any translation, and from that ink, Christ can speak to that person the words that they need to hear.

I’m wondering if I’m troubled also. So maybe it is time to step away for a while. A few questions first because I’ve become so lost in ...what is it everyone is saying I’m missing.

1) were you ever a vessel of destruction?
2) was your heart ever hardened?
3) are you of the bondwoman (the slave), or of the freewoman in
(Galatians 4:29-31) But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. [30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Or are you neither of the bondwoman or of the freewoman because it was (is)only to the Jew? Is the freewoman not those of the promise ...Israel...yet not all are Israel but only those of the promise seed ...some remain of the slave? John 8:34-36 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. [35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So are you a slave or a Son...or neither?
Have you ever wasted and destroyed anything? Have you received mercy?
 

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I’m wondering if I’m troubled also. So maybe it is time to step away for a while. A few questions first because I’ve become so lost in ...what is it everyone is saying I’m missing.

1) were you ever a vessel of destruction?
2) was your heart ever hardened?
3) are you of the bondwoman (the slave), or of the freewoman in
(Galatians 4:29-31) But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. [30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Or are you neither of the bondwoman or of the freewoman because it was (is)only to the Jew? Is the freewoman not those of the promise ...Israel...yet not all are Israel but only those of the promise seed ...some remain of the slave? John 8:34-36 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. [35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So are you a slave or a Son...or neither?
Have you ever wasted and destroyed anything? Have you received mercy?

First off, because you are troubled, that is no reason to stop talking. You should keep talking. You do not know me as well as some. Be sure to know, for sure and certain you will never get an unkind word from me. I respect the ladies on this forum, for many reasons, it is a tradition and nearly a religious belief for me. Satan likes to afflict the victims and those that have done wrong saying" You are not good enough to be a Christian. Christ was not powerful enough to forgive your sins!" Christ words are best, Get behind me Satan! Forgiveness is complete.... forgiveness is not complete unless all memory of your sins are not whipped from God's memory. A new person emerges with no past. You seem to key on the destiny of the Jews, be sure to know that God has a plan for them too. So do not stop talking.
 

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First off, because you are troubled, that is no reason to stop talking. You should keep talking. You do not know me as well as some. Be sure to know, for sure and certain you will never get an unkind word from me. I respect the ladies on this forum, for many reasons, it is a tradition and nearly a religious belief for me. Satan likes to afflict the victims and those that have done wrong saying" You are not good enough to be a Christian. Christ was not powerful enough to forgive your sins!" Christ words are best, Get behind me Satan! Forgiveness is complete.... forgiveness is not complete unless all memory of your sins are not whipped from God's memory. A new person emerges with no past. You seem to key on the destiny of the Jews, be sure to know that God has a plan for them too. So do not stop talking.

Do you think Paul forgot Stephen? Yet Paul could say his conscience was clear. There is a difference. To give mercy wouldn’t one need to remember they needed mercy also.

1 Timothy 1:15
[15] This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
 

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Do you think Paul forgot Stephen? Yet Paul could say his conscience was clear. There is a difference. To give mercy wouldn’t one need to remember they needed mercy also.

1 Timothy 1:15
[15] This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

You know that even Paul did not entirely forgive himself for Stephen or being a hunter killer of Christians. Murder is a horrible thing. But Paul was wrong in his thinking. A God, so loved you that He came down here to suffer the passion and crucifixion so you would be forgiven. Yes He is powerful enough to do that, His love for you was that much! (My arms are spread wide) You have to move on as a new person, died in Christ and new in Christ. Free of anything that could hold you back and free to walk that journey with Christ at your side. We all make mistakes, if not we need a halo. Be confident in forgiveness and God's love. Divorce, the destruction of a family....I know people take a hard line on it. But again if forgiveness is not complete, Christ failed in His mission, just wan't powerful enough to take away the sin of the world. He almost made it, except for divorce. He can forgive murder, but not divorce? The topic gets pretty involved but forgiveness is complete, or it is an empty promise.
 

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You know that even Paul did not entirely forgive himself for Stephen or being a hunter killer of Christians.

Paul made it clear that he did these things in ignorance and unbelief,and knew God had forgiven him.

Acts 24:16 KJV
[16] And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

Paul had this resolved immediately.
Tecarta Bible
 

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Personally, while I see the church compared to a bride, Israel is whom I see called the wife of God, and personally, I think the marraige supper of the Lamb is when God remarries Israel. The church is different.

Much love!
Wrong !
Jesus Christ is the King of Israel and the "servants" of God are Israel as it has always been from when Jacob became Israel as he was dubbed a Servant of God, now not just because of the Tribe is called the Tribe of Israel, that doesn't not mean that all under the same roof are a servant of God at all, but more like only a water baptised person only is and we see how they treated Israel beloved true son ? who is the one with whom was the wife that Israel only truly wanted and her next son, we see how his true elder brother wanted desperately to see him, not to mention that Israel how he loved the younger more than the others as well.
Both them two boys were special to Israel.
Jacob was only Jacob when he had all them 10 other boys but he was Israel when he had the two to is truly beloved wife and we know that they were blessed more so by God.

Christ Jesus was the one that all of Gods people are worthy of and anyone who claims otherwise is of Satan.
If one does not abide in Jesus they are Anti-Christ regardless and not worthy at all in any way.

The Church is not different at all, because Jesus is the head of the Church.
Jesus Christ is the one whom put the blue print into action and built what was the plan, it is the same body, or it's like a Child at birth ? the bun was in the oven so to speak in the OT and such was born is the NT. so they are one in the same and anyone who claims other wise is truly only rejecting Jesus Christ in fact.
 

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while reading some of the replies, I came to this,

this is correct. what about the wife? these hard hearted men ruled everything and own everything, they was not in consideration of their wives. a good example of this is with our father of FAITH, yes Abraham, and his wife Hagar, before the LAW of Moses. Genesis 21:14 "And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba". stop, think for a second. was not Abraham rich? he didn't even give "his" own child Ishmael a camel to ride on in departing, just some bread and 1 bottle of water between the both of them. did not his herdsman and his nephew Lot herdsman strive because of their vast wealth?. well God put an end to that. by injecting the bill of divorcement men no longer could treat their wives any kind of way, sending them away with NOTHING. hence the LAW of God, which means he loves a JUST BALANCE. whereas those evil, hard hearted men just put their wives away for no reason, or any reason, and then just send them out on their own without NOTHING. THANK GOD FOR THE LAW OF DIVORCEMENT. just don't send the woman out without nothing, be fair. Proverbs 11:1 "A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight".

correct, and agreed. Matthew 19:6 "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder". man here in this verse is the hard hearted "HUSBAND" who want to break the marriage bond for any reason. ignorant men, fulfilling their own lust.
now today, this applies to the wife if she wants to "put away" here husband for any and no good reason.

but here is the key to it all, if something goes wrong in the marriage, can it be salvageable?

PICJAG.

Concerning the bondwoman Hagar...Who gave the command to cast her out? Did not God give it in telling Abraham to listen to Sarah? Does a bondwoman’s son...a slave remain or abide in the house ...or A Son?

John 8:33-37 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? [34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. [35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. [37] I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

The strength of sin is the Law. The subject of title of the thread: divorcement ...DEAD to the Law by the body of Christ. Not all are Israel but hose of the promise seed. Whose son are they when answering Him “We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how safest thou, You shall be made free?”

If one can not even see they were ever in bondage... “how sayest thou, You shall be made free?”


Romans 11:15
[15] For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

2 Corinthians 5:14-16 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. [16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The bondwoman’s son was cast away in ....by the body of Christ ... “were ALL dead” ....the reconciliation of all things to Christ...how then shall the receiving of them be...but Life from the dead?
 
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Concerning the bondwoman Hagar...Who gave the command to cast her out? Did not God give it in telling Abraham to listen to Sarah? Does a bondwoman’s son...a slave remain or abide in the house ...or A Son?

John 8:33-37 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? [34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. [35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. [37] I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

The strength of sin is the Law. The subject of title of the thread: divorcement ...DEAD to the Law by the body of Christ. Not all are Israel but hose of the promise seed. Whose son are they when answering Him “We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how safest thou, You shall be made free?”

If one can not even see they were ever in bondage... “how sayest thou, You shall be made free?”


Romans 11:15
[15] For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

2 Corinthians 5:14-16 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. [16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The bondwoman’s son was cast away in ....by the body of Christ ... “were ALL dead” ....the reconciliation of all things to Christ...how then shall the receiving of them be...but Life from the dead?
GINOLJC, to all. first thanks for the reply. second, consider this, and please read this carefully, all of Romans chapter 3. read it twice. and key, or zoom in on these two verse,
Romans 3:9 "What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;"
Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
AND THIS ONE,
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

KNOWING THIS, LETS ANSWER YOUR TOPIC, AND ONE OF YOUR MAIN QUESTION.
in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 remember you posted this, "When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house."
Deuteronomy 24:2 "And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife."
Deuteronomy 24:3 "And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;"
Deuteronomy 24:4 "Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance."

let's answer this, (with man it's impossible, but not with God). we will use scripture, to answer your topic, listen to the answer.
Jeremiah 3:1 "They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD." STOP, and read that again, especially what the LORD said at the end of the verse here.

lets continue, verse 12,
Jeremiah 3:12 "Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever."
Jeremiah 3:13 "Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD."

DID you get that? God himself is the only one who can cleans the Land, and he did it with his own blood. what do we mean? notice Jeremiah 3:12 above, "RETURN" unto the Lord. return here means "REPENT". what was the First words out of John the Baptist, and the Lord Jesus mouth? that's right, "REPENT" for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand". first John, Matthew 3:1 "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,"
Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Matthew 3:3 "For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." yes, this is the Elijah to come. one of the two witness.

now the other witness, the Lord Jesus,
Matthew 4:17 "From that time Jesus began to preach, (proclaim), and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." sorry about that for there is another topic about the two witness, which this topic reveals clearly. but this "REPENTANCE" answers the question of Deuteronomy 24. see under Grace a woman can RETURN, or repent to her husband, even after a divorce. for under LAW, Romans 7:1 "Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?"
Romans 7:2 "For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband."
Romans 7:3 "So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man."

see, you're not under LAW, nor BOUND by it, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,"

our righteousness is in Christ which he has fulfilled, and in doing so, made me free from the Law, oh only just "RETURN/REPENT" saith the LORD.

see how easy it is just to follow the bible. listen, and watch the bold and red words. Jeremiah 3:12 "Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever."
Jeremiah 3:13 "Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD."

proclaim means to "preach", that's what the two witness did, John and Jesus.
Return means to "repent", this is what John and Jesus preached.
acknowledge means to "Confess", when the people went to John's baptism they "confessed" their sins.
merciful means gracious ... "GRACE".
BINGO, there it is, under GRACE a wife can "RETURN", even if divorced, under Grace. so the LAW don't apply under GRACE.

a re-reading of this post may be in order to get the full understanding.

PICJAG.

PS, it this was helpful, you might want to make a cross reference of Jeremiah 3:12 & 13 with Matthew 3:2 and Matthew 4:17.
 
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