Matthew 6:26-34, difficult to understand when we have countries living in famine?

Davy · Sep 18, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
As far as what I’ve always been told ...in as you have borne the earthly image, you shall also bear the image of the heavenly...as yet off in the future after this body of dust goes into the ground and is covered with dirt. What I’m asking is that really what is being said ...or to bear the heavenly image now by laying down the earthly image and taking up resurrection power of Life in the Son. Am I understanding that correctly? As in Today?

Matt 22:29-30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
KJV

Apostle Paul well explained this in 1 Corinthians 15 and 2 Corinthians 5. Even Solomon revealed it in Ecclesiastes 12:5-7.

It's Jewish traditions that keep hanging onto the idea of Christ's future Salvation being about a new flesh body. The spiritual body looks, feels, and operates like a flesh body, but it is not a flesh body. It is of the other dimension. In the new heavens and a new earth, we will live on the earth, in a spiritual body, build houses, plant vineyards, etc.

Waiting on him · Sep 18, 2019

Davy said:
Matt 22:29-30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
KJV

Apostle Paul well explained this in 1 Corinthians 15 and 2 Corinthians 5. Even Solomon revealed it in Ecclesiastes 12:5-7.

It's Jewish traditions that keep hanging onto the idea of Christ's future Salvation being about a new flesh body. The spiritual body looks, feels, and operates like a flesh body, but it is not a flesh body. It is of the other dimension. In the new heavens and a new earth, we will live on the earth, in a spiritual body, build houses, plant vineyards, etc.

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

How can you state that this is a future event?
https://tbibl.es/10t

ScottA · Sep 18, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
As far as what I’ve always been told ...in as you have borne the earthly image, you shall also bear the image of the heavenly...as yet off in the future after this body of dust goes into the ground and is covered with dirt. What I’m asking is that really what is being said ...or to bear the heavenly image now by laying down the earthly image and taking up resurrection power of Life in the Son. Am I understanding that correctly? As in Today?

Aah...I see. Time in this becomes a confusing obstacle:

We consider things that are "the same yesterday, today, and forever" with God, as past, present, and future. But future things are only future in the "it is written" format within the confines of the created world, which is only the telling or revelation of things. But, in proper context, that created "image" has no actual timeline, but is "written" and therefore is rather a story line.

As such, when we read that "today" is the day of salvation, that timing is true of all that pertains to God, including our "bearing the image of the heavenly." So, then, when Paul referred to "those who are alive and remain", he revealed a paradox between what is already written, but yet to be revealed to those who have not yet seen or returned to the dust in natural death of the body. He describes one walking in the flesh and also in the Spirit. Praise be to the Father and the Son, for this is our reign with Christ--to live is Christ!

ScottA · Sep 18, 2019

Waiting on him said:
2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

How can you state that this is a future event?
https://tbibl.es/10t

Indeed...it is only future for those who have not yet passed from death to life.

friend of · Sep 18, 2019

ScottA said:
Indeed...it is only future for those who have not yet passed from death to life.

So are you saying you have a perfected spiritual body at this moment in time? Cuz I'd be skeptical of that claim

ScottA · Sep 18, 2019

friend of said:
So are you saying you have a perfected spiritual body at this moment in time? Cuz I'd be skeptical of that claim

I do...but that perfected spiritual body is Christ Jesus in me and I in him:

Colossians 1:27
"To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."

"It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me."

...As for what the world sees of me or those who are in Christ, I should hope they see Christ. But I do know that we also still bear the image of our flesh which has died except for the time remaining. This is the mystery and the paradox of all "who are alive and remain."

Waiting on him · Sep 18, 2019

ScottA said:
I do...but that perfected spiritual body is Christ Jesus in me and I in him:

Colossians 1:27
"To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."

"It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me."

...As for what the world sees of me or those who are in Christ, I should hope they see Christ. But I do know that we also still bear the image of our flesh which has died except for the time remaining. This is the mystery and the paradox of all "who are alive and remain."

Ephesians 2:5-7 KJV
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: [7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

We are the heavens created to proclaim His Glory.
Tecarta Bible

ScottA · Sep 18, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Ephesians 2:5-7 KJV
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved [6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: [7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

We are the heavens created to proclaim His Glory.
Tecarta Bible

Isn't it strange that we all read these same passages, but many do not see them for what they actually say and argue against these simple truths!

Waiting on him · Sep 18, 2019

ScottA said:
Isn't it strange that we all read these same passages, but many do not see them for what they actually say and argue against these simple truths!

It sounds like an arrogant statement on my part but we need to know who we are in Christ.

ScottA · Sep 18, 2019

Waiting on him said:
It sounds like an arrogant statement on my part but we need to know who we are in Christ.

Believing what is true and living by it, is not arrogance, but righteousness. Not because we have done anything to deserve it, but simply because we believe.

Waiting on him · Sep 18, 2019

ScottA said:
Believing what is true and living by it, is not arrogance, but righteousness. Not because we have done anything to deserve it, but simply because we believe.

It seems no matter how many times it’s spoken it just can’t be received.

Davy · Sep 19, 2019

friend of said:
So are you saying you have a perfected spiritual body at this moment in time? Cuz I'd be skeptical of that claim

Then you'd be skeptical of Eccl.12:5-7, and Matthew 10:28 too.

The idea of the image in Genesis 1, that God created flesh man after His Own Image, is about a likeness, appearance. Just because something is spiritual doesn't have to mean it's like some ghost idea. Those ghost or vapor ideas about the spirit are from men's doctrines of this world, not from God's Word.

Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 reveals that at death of the flesh body, our flesh goes back to the earth where it came from, and our spirit goes back to God Who gave it. You should be able to understand then that our spirit is NOT of fleshy matter, not of this earthly dimension.

In Matthew 10:28, Jesus told us to not fear those who would kill our flesh, but can't harm our soul, but fear Him Who can destroy both in the lake of fire. The soul is our Id, our person. Our personality continues after our flesh dies. Our spirit with soul does not die, and exists apart from a flesh body, that is what our Lord Jesus showed by that.

But if you want to keep to false Jewish traditions, thinking we're going to get new flesh bodies like some reincarnation idea (which a lot of the Jews believed in), then I guess you can continue to go against God's Holy Writ on the matter and believe the world. Your choice.

VictoryinJesus · Sep 19, 2019

Davy said:
Matt 22:29-30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
KJV

Apostle Paul well explained this in 1 Corinthians 15 and 2 Corinthians 5. Even Solomon revealed it in Ecclesiastes 12:5-7.

It's Jewish traditions that keep hanging onto the idea of Christ's future Salvation being about a new flesh body. The spiritual body looks, feels, and operates like a flesh body, but it is not a flesh body. It is of the other dimension. In the new heavens and a new earth, we will live on the earth, in a spiritual body, build houses, plant vineyards, etc.

Was thinking about you last night. Agree with you In many ways ...but also agree with Scott A in we are told to walk in newness of spirit today and not the flesh. To mind the things of the Spirit of God and not the flesh. To set our eyes on higher (Greater)things and not earthly things. I think of when the word says men’s hearts will fail them for looking after those things which are coming upon the earth...they will be over run by fear. The only way to not drown in those things coming upon the earth and not be overcome by them is to keep our eyes set higher, on (Greater)things of the Spirit of God. On heavenly things and not earthly things. As we have borne the earthly image(the natural)...we also shall bear the heavenly image(the Spiritual; in Born of the Greater from above, Greater is He who is in you, than he that is in the world)For me...that aligns with walk not after the flesh but walk after the Spirit of God which the disciples did after receiving His Spirit. As Paul did, after receiving His Spirit. Philippians 3:19-21
[19] Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) [20] For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: [21] Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:”
Luke 17:20-21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: [21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

aspen · Sep 19, 2019

I agree VIJ,

Fear is going to be a constant temptation in the coming era. We are called not to seek out bullies, tyrants, or strongmen that promise the illusion of protection; instead, we need to cling to our Shepherd and Savior who has saved us in the past, present and future.

Davy · Sep 19, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Was thinking about you last night. Agree with you In many ways ...but also agree with Scott A in we are told to walk in newness of spirit today and not the flesh. To mind the things of the Spirit of God and not the flesh. To set our eyes on higher (Greater)things and not earthly things. I think of when the word says men’s hearts will fail them for looking after those things which are coming upon the earth...they will be over run by fear. The only way to not drown in those things coming upon the earth and not be overcome by them is to keep our eyes set higher, on (Greater)things of the Spirit of God. On heavenly things and not earthly things. As we have borne the earthly image(the natural)...we also shall bear the heavenly image(the Spiritual; in Born of the Greater from above, Greater is He who is in you, than he that is in the world)For me...that aligns with walk not after the flesh but walk after the Spirit of God which the disciples did after receiving His Spirit. As Paul did, after receiving His Spirit. Philippians 3:19-21
[19] Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) [20] For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: [21] Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:”
Luke 17:20-21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: [21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

A lot more in the literal sense, a little less in the philosophical sense.

God's Salvation through His Son isn't a mystical thing. Our spirit inside these flesh bodies connected with the "silver cord" of Eccl.12 isn't a philosophical wondering either. It's real, it's just not of this earthly dimension. There's another dimension of existence, and all Christians believe it exists because that is where our Heavenly Father, His Son, and the angels dwell today. It's those who don't understand the simplicity of this that instead try to make a religion out of it. It's not about religion. It's about reality. Christianity isn't a religion, it is God's Truth, Reality. Illiterate men are the ones who create religion and try to appear holy.

So why is it so many brethren have a difficult time understanding that one day in the future, either at flesh death, or at Christ's coming, we also will be in that heavenly dimension, but while on earth (Rev.5:10).

Gen 18:1-8
18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
KJV

That was Jesus Who appeared to Abraham at his tent door, along with the two angels He would later send to save Lot and his family (Gen.19). They all appeared to Abraham with the image of man, even though they were not in flesh bodies. Our Lord Jesus hadn't been born in the flesh yet back then.

Yet they ate and drank material food and drink of the earth. How is that, since they didn't have flesh bodies? It's because the spiritual body is able to live upon this earth. It just isn't of the same dimension of earthly matter. It's a body of Spirit.

VictoryinJesus · Sep 19, 2019

Davy said:
A lot more in the literal sense, a little less in the philosophical sense.

God's Salvation through His Son isn't a mystical thing. Our spirit inside these flesh bodies connected with the "silver cord" of Eccl.12 isn't a philosophical wondering either. It's real, it's just not of this earthly dimension. There's another dimension of existence, and all Christians believe it exists because that is where our Heavenly Father, His Son, and the angels dwell today. It's those who don't understand the simplicity of this that instead try to make a religion out of it. It's not about religion. It's about reality. Christianity isn't a religion, it is God's Truth, Reality. Illiterate men are the ones who create religion and try to appear holy.

So why is it so many brethren have a difficult time understanding that one day in the future, either at flesh death, or at Christ's coming, we also will be in that heavenly dimension, but while on earth (Rev.5:10).

Gen 18:1-8
18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
KJV

That was Jesus Who appeared to Abraham at his tent door, along with the two angels He would later send to save Lot and his family (Gen.19). They all appeared to Abraham with the image of man, even though they were not in flesh bodies. Our Lord Jesus hadn't been born in the flesh yet back then.

Yet they ate and drank material food and drink of the earth. How is that, since they didn't have flesh bodies? It's because the spiritual body is able to live upon this earth. It just isn't of the same dimension of earthly matter. It's a body of Spirit.

Agree He was seen in the OT also here: Joshua 5:13-15 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? [14] And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? [15] And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Also in the fire with them.

Nomad · Sep 19, 2019

jshiii said:
Matthew 6:26-34 King James Version (KJV)
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

I think I am looking at this to deeply? This must be a general truth, not an absolute truth? In some countries like Africa and even here in America, vegetation, animals, humans are not always provided for. I know when I was in Haiti a couple of years ago, I saw starving children and without clothes. Africa the same. In some places vegetation and animals do not survive because of the harsh environment. So this is just a generalized statement correct? Not true everywhere perhaps because of sin maybe??? Humans mistreatment of the Earth?? Thanks for any insight.

Hello jshiii,

The key to the entire passage is verse 33:

Mat 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Make your spiritual life your first priority and God will add to you those things necessary for your earthly/physical life. This message is for believers, not unbelievers.

jshiii · Sep 19, 2019

Nomad said:
Hello jshiii,

The key to the entire passage is verse 33:

Mat 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Make your spiritual life your first priority and God will add to you those things necessary for your earthly/physical life. This message is for believers, not unbelievers.

Thank You Nomad

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