Freemasonry

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

4Jesus

Well-Known Member
Feb 15, 2019
698
459
63
Philly
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Yeah, we met on Christian Forums, and I followed you over here to CB. We had a conversation going for a while. My life got a little messy last spring, and I took a break. I had some problems with my oldest, and my father died.... Life happens, right?

Sorry about your troubles, and your dad passing on. I hope you are comforted by God in your grief.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jane_Doe22

Prayer Warrior

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2018
5,789
5,776
113
U.S.A.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
And, since "ba'alah" which means mistress in Hebrew, could've been used in "kabbalah", with an inclusion of "ba'al", and represents the "mystery Babylon" (Revelation 17:5 "5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.") discussed in the book of Revelation is linked back to:
-Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication."
- Revelation 17:1-3 "

This is very interesting what you're saying about Kabbalah being tied to Ba'al. Years ago, I did extensive research on mysticism. You probably know that Kabbalah is the Jewish version of mysticism. Every major religion has some form of mysticism or is based on mysticism (such as the major Eastern religions). Islam's version is called Sufism. Modern-day New Age beliefs are based on Eastern mysticism and some other veins of thought.

Anyway, I concluded that the world religion of the antichrist will be based on some form of mysticism.
.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 4Jesus

Prayer Warrior

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2018
5,789
5,776
113
U.S.A.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Sorry about your troubles, and your dad passing on. I hope you are comforted by God in your grief.
How weird. I just now saw this post to me.

Thanks so much for your condolences. I know that my dad was saved and is in heaven, so even though I miss him, I'm glad that he has found complete fulness of life and joy.
 

Grailhunter

Well-Known Member
Jun 19, 2019
11,082
5,276
113
66
FARMINGTON
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
This is very interesting what you're saying about Kabbalah being tied to Ba'al. Years ago, I did extensive research on mysticism. You probably know that Kabbalah is the Jewish version of mysticism. Every major religion has some form of mysticism or is based on mysticism (such as the major Eastern religions). Islam's version is called Sufism. Modern-day New Age beliefs are based on Eastern mysticism and some other veins of thought.

Anyway, I concluded that the world religion of the antichrist will be based on some form of mysticism.
.

The word mystery / mysteries, appears 27 times in the New Testament. And one big secret. Christians as a whole do not like mysteries or secrets. Where do you thinking they get that?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Willie T

Willie T

Heaven Sent
Staff member
Sep 14, 2017
5,869
7,426
113
St. Petersburg Florida
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The word mystery / mysteries, appears 27 times in the New Testament. And one big secret. Christians as a whole do not like mysteries or secrets. Where do you thinking they get that?
You would think we would all get tired of reacting to various supposedly "evil" trigger words. But it doesn't seem to ever happen.
I believe the men we celebrate that visited Christ a couple of years after His birth were "Mystics."
 
  • Like
Reactions: Helen

Prayer Warrior

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2018
5,789
5,776
113
U.S.A.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The word mystery / mysteries, appears 27 times in the New Testament. And one big secret. Christians as a whole do not like mysteries or secrets. Where do you thinking they get that?
Yeah, I have come to differentiate between "mysteries" and "mysticism," but this is my take on it. Paul talks about a mystery he was given.

Ephesians 3:1-6--For this reason, I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles — you have heard, haven’t you, about the administration of God’s grace that He gave to me for you? The mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have briefly written above. By reading this you are able to understand my insight about the mystery of the Messiah. This was not made known to people in other generations as it is now revealed to His holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit: The Gentiles are co-heirs, members of the same body, and partners of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Paul also mentions the mystery of the union between a husband and wife being like Christ and the church in Ephesians 5. So, there are "Christian mystics" who base their beliefs on this verse.

The problem that I have with mysticism in general is that I believe the underlying premises is that we humans are divine or that we are God in some way. To me, this smacks of the original temptation where the serpent told Eve that she would be like God. I believe that we partake of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4), but that we are not, and never will be, God in any way.

I'm probably opening a can of worms here, but this relates to the OP because the belief in human divinity is central to the teachings of Freemasonry. Hope this makes sense.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 4Jesus

Grailhunter

Well-Known Member
Jun 19, 2019
11,082
5,276
113
66
FARMINGTON
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
You would think we would all get tired of reacting to various supposedly "evil" trigger words. But it doesn't seem to ever happen.
I believe the men we celebrate that visited Christ a couple of years after His birth were "Mystics."

Well you said a mouthful there. The story of the Magi (which essentially means witch or sorcerer) is rather involved. The old translates of the scriptures disliked this word so much, they changed it to wise men, and in tradition, Oh three kings of orient are.....and the questions it brings up are difficult for Christians. Still Christians as a whole perceive secrets in varying degrees of bad to evil. But where did that come from? As they say, The Bible starts out with a secret of the knowledge of good and evil and ends with a book called Revelation....revealed secrets....so it can be said that from beginning to end, the Bible is a book of secrets....revealed over time. (So how is this font?)
 
Last edited:

Grailhunter

Well-Known Member
Jun 19, 2019
11,082
5,276
113
66
FARMINGTON
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Yeah, I have come to differentiate between "mysteries" and "mysticism," but this is my take on it. Paul talks about a mystery he was given.

Ephesians 3:1-6--For this reason, I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles — you have heard, haven’t you, about the administration of God’s grace that He gave to me for you? The mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have briefly written above. By reading this you are able to understand my insight about the mystery of the Messiah. This was not made known to people in other generations as it is now revealed to His holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit: The Gentiles are co-heirs, members of the same body, and partners of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Paul also mentions the mystery of the union between a husband and wife being like Christ and the church in Ephesians 5. So, there are "Christian mystics" who base their beliefs on this verse.

The problem that I have with mysticism in general is that I believe the underlying premises is that we humans are divine or that we are God in some way. To me, this smacks of the original temptation where the serpent told Eve that she would be like God. I believe that we partake of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4), but that we are not, and never will be, God in any way.

I'm probably opening a can of worms here, but this relates to the OP because the belief in human divinity is central to the teachings of Freemasonry. Hope this makes sense.

Intellect, I love it. This is one of the reason I do not subscribe to any one denomination. We speculate on the spiritual and even the Apostles were dealing with topics that as a whole is beyond their's or our understanding or comprehension. So we do the best we can. What happens in the process of Glorification? Do we know exactly? What state of construct will we end up as. John 10:34 "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said you are gods? This is why I do not blame people for their various beliefs. All denominations in the broadest sense can be called mysticism, the desire, the study, to know what cannot be comprehended. We do the best we can.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 4Jesus

Prayer Warrior

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2018
5,789
5,776
113
U.S.A.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Well you said a mouthful there. The story of the Magi (which essentially means witch or sorcerer) is rather involved. The old translates of the scriptures disliked this word so much, they changed it to wise men, and in tradition, Oh three kings of orient are.....and the questions it brings up are difficult for Christians. Still Christians as a whole perceive secrets in varying degrees of bad to evil. But where did that come from? As they say, The Bible start out with a secret of the knowledge of good and evil and ends with a book called Revelation....revealed secrets....so it can be said that from beginning to end, the Bible is a book of secrets....revealed over time. (So how is this font?)

Ah, much better font! My eyes thank you!

I would like to reply to the rest of your post, but my brain is not cooperating. I'm going on very little sleep the last couple of nights.
 
  • Like
Reactions: amadeus

4Jesus

Well-Known Member
Feb 15, 2019
698
459
63
Philly
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
It depends if you have bad breath or not

Not usually? ;)

I was asking because I'm not sure if your view is a "anyone not Republican is a demoNcrat" or whether once can not be either (or any). Anyway, I'm apolitical.
 

Grailhunter

Well-Known Member
Jun 19, 2019
11,082
5,276
113
66
FARMINGTON
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Not usually? ;)

I was asking because I'm not sure if your view is a "anyone not Republican is a demoNcrat" or whether once can not be either (or any). Anyway, I'm apolitical.

The question is valid. In my travels I ask this question. Sometimes I pick my timing just for the humor. And you would, or maybe not be surprised with the answers. Sometimes people vote for a party that no longer exists. Politicians in any country are not the most honest people. But there are political divides. There are those that are anti-establishment, don't like corporations or governments. But sitting with Christians talking about abortion, and you ask why they vote for democrats and you will get some weird answers. My mom was Catholic and my dad was Southern Baptist, she was democrat and dad was Republican. She thought that democrats were for the working man and my dad thought that Republican were those that were successful. But even when I was young I knew that no one was really for the working man. They all want their taxes to support their agendas. No one is for the rights of the working man. As it is now we have been a socialist country for forty years and the democrats are pushing the country to some form of communism. Anti-patriotism, anti-religion, anti-respect for law and order....anarchy is considered a good thing for them. Gun control, abortions, promotion of drugs.....this is what they call freedom. They speak this out load, indicating that the founding fathers were horrible and this country has been horrible up to this point and the religious are oppressive and they are going to make it better. So I still ask the question from time to time. What will happen to the world, if the United States become communist? What will happen to Christianity...to Israel?
 
Last edited:

4Jesus

Well-Known Member
Feb 15, 2019
698
459
63
Philly
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
This is very interesting what you're saying about Kabbalah being tied to Ba'al. Years ago, I did extensive research on mysticism. You probably know that Kabbalah is the Jewish version of mysticism. Every major religion has some form of mysticism or is based on mysticism (such as the major Eastern religions). Islam's version is called Sufism. Modern-day New Age beliefs are based on Eastern mysticism and some other veins of thought.


Agreed about all the mystic aspects of beliefs here on earth. They're all tied to the same evil one, in some form or another. Just a matter of finding the different aspects given to different groups, to eventually "unite"/reunite.

Anyway, I concluded that the world religion of the antichrist will be based on some form of mysticism.

Yeah, based on some form of mysticism, which is of him and satan, who gave the mysticism to all these people ;)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Prayer Warrior

4Jesus

Well-Known Member
Feb 15, 2019
698
459
63
Philly
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
How weird. I just now saw this post to me.

Are your "Alert Preferences" not working properly, as you selected? Perhaps the preferences just need to be selected (especially if you just started posting again and the forum software was updated/changed in between)? Just a guess.

Thanks so much for your condolences. I know that my dad was saved and is in heaven, so even though I miss him, I'm glad that he has found complete fulness of life and joy.

Eternal Life has only just begun for him, you, and us, with God-the-Father and God-the-Son. You'll see him soon I'm sure.

1 Corinthians 15:55 "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" Death has no victory here, not against Jesus and not against your dad. Death lost!

Hopefully your daily life troubles aren't too unbearable for you either. PM me if you need to vent.
 

Prayer Warrior

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2018
5,789
5,776
113
U.S.A.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Are your "Alert Preferences" not working properly, as you selected? Perhaps the preferences just need to be selected (especially if you just started posting again and the forum software was updated/changed in between)? Just a guess.



Eternal Life has only just begun for him, you, and us, with God-the-Father and God-the-Son. You'll see him soon I'm sure.

1 Corinthians 15:55 "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" Death has no victory here, not against Jesus and not against your dad. Death lost!

Hopefully your daily life troubles aren't too unbearable for you either. PM me if you need to vent.
I guess it's a good idea to check those preference, but they seem to be working intermittently.

Thanks! No, not unbearable at all.
 

Reggie Belafonte

Well-Known Member
Mar 16, 2018
5,803
2,895
113
63
Brisbane
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
I've heard that too, the 13 bloodlines from the evil ones. I believe Genesis, chapter 6:4-6 "
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." discusses "giants in the earth", aka the Nephilim.

And why wouldn't there be "royal" bloodlines under the evil one? It seems to work as far as a heirarchal methodology of those under their control (meaning the concept of kingdoms, kings & queens, rulers, and ruled), and stems from God Himself (meaning God came up with the concepts of kingdoms and kingships). Plus their leader is known as a "prince" (Ephesians 2:2 "Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience").

Not to mention this system is found all the way to the end, in the book of Revelation, where there are ten kings who give power unto the beast: Revelation 17:12 "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.". So if it's found at the end, that system must've started at some point...
Remember the Vineyard story ?
 

Reggie Belafonte

Well-Known Member
Mar 16, 2018
5,803
2,895
113
63
Brisbane
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
The question is valid. In my travels I ask this question. Sometimes I pick my timing just for the humor. And you would, or maybe not be surprised with the answers. Sometimes people vote for a party that no longer exists. Politicians in any country are not the most honest people. But there are political divides. There are those that are anti-establishment, don't like corporations or governments. But sitting with Christians talking about abortion, and you ask why they vote for democrats and you will get some weird answers. My mom was Catholic and my dad was Southern Baptist, she was democrat and dad was Republican. She thought that democrats were for the working man and my dad thought that Republican were those that were successful. But even when I was young I knew that no one was really for the working man. They all want their taxes to support their agendas. No one is for the rights of the working man. As it is now we have been a socialist country for forty years and the democrats are pushing the country to some form of communism. Anti-patriotism, anti-religion, anti-respect for law and order....anarchy is considered a good thing for them. Gun control, abortions, promotion of drugs.....this is what they call freedom. They speak this out load, indicating that the founding fathers were horrible and this country has been horrible up to this point and the religious are oppressive and they are going to make it better. So I still ask the question from time to time. What will happen to the world, if the United States become communist? What will happen to Christianity...to Israel?
I remember the Grinch that stole Christmas had a plan to solve world hunger, but he said, tell no one ? well it's the same deal with Socialism, they always kill off who ever they think need the chop, they have plans and such are being implemented, one can see the works in that easy enough.

What will happen to the world if USA becomes Communist, well the Jews will rule totally as it's a Mans works religion and that's their plan, such is the work of the Anti-Christ, they are the ones who created the right wing and the left wing and gave us radical Capitalism and Communism and the Anti-Christ Jews own all of the media and that's why people are so brainwashed and the Anti-Christ Jews have control of our school system, not to mention the Anti-Christ Jews have wiped the floor with all Christian denominations as it's now like a pox, as I remember the days that all Christian denominations pointed the Jews out for who they truly were Anti-Christ in fact, but nowadays so called Christians can not even tell or understand what a Anti-Christ is in fact and I am just so amazed :eek::rolleyes:o_O:confused::( wow ! they can't see the forest for the trees and it's amazing that only 30 years ago or more if a Christian knew that I was Jewish they would look on me with contempt as they would ask where does that sir name come from knowing that it's Jewish themselves but just trying to get a handle on were we came from and I would say yes my family have been Christians for generations, they were all fine with that, but nowadays it's o_O:rolleyes::eek::confused::oops: they have all dropped the ball and rejected Christ Jesus for madness of idolising Anti-Christ Jews and not to mention Islam and Sodomites as they swim in a sewer of their Political Correctness gods that dominate them all totally.
Oh is that politically Correct !!! they run around like chooks with their head cut off trying to please this Idol that they truly worship like a religion, I am amazed if only they had a commitment to Jesus Christ like that I would be truly impressed. but they are totally ignorant fools just like the history of all people who have ever followed Political Correctness, I thought that the majority once had a handle on all that with how Hitler's Political Correctness was exposed, not to mention how the Communist Political Correctness was exposed as well, but now we are being led down the same old entrapment gameplay, with PC Mk 3 as this is just tailored for people today. our people nowadays are just as foolish as were the Nazis were, only we have no excuse for it at all, because we should be better educated on such a subject, but the problem was that people were indoctrinated and not truly educated. I remember this in my school days, with teachers only reading dribble out of a book for us to be marked on, but I knew more on the subject then they did in reality and that was in grade 6. the dribble was astounding, Hitler was a bad man :rolleyes: that's not an education, I wanted to understand as to why, not just one sided fantasy dribble.
 

Reggie Belafonte

Well-Known Member
Mar 16, 2018
5,803
2,895
113
63
Brisbane
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Sodomites rule over us now with vengeance .

Islam has an open door to walk all over Australians.
Not to mention total bagging of our Nations History 24/7 on the so called white man. no mention about that it's Sin being the key to such problems, oh no Satanist will not bring that subject up, or point out that that's what everyone has to get a handle on first and foremost, or all is lost to begin with ! talk about morons :rolleyes:. they are going to fix up the Nation o_O:confused: they are barking up the wrong tree for a start. what Clowns.